Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[nutildah]

For sure, bitcoin remains a hedge.

Now you're redefining "hedge" as "going down with the rest of the market"?

[JayJuanGee]

For sure, bitcoin remains a hedge.

Now you're redefining "hedge" as "going down with the rest of the market"?

Are you the same nutildah?

I am not redefining hedge...

Get a grip.

You have been pretty negative and bashing on bitcoin lately.

You also should know better.

Of course, it is likely that bitcoin is going to experience a lot of short term correlation with traditional markets, and sometimes, recently, you are acting like you don't even understand bitcoin.  Did you sell your account?  Bring back the real nutildah....

May I remind you where we are at?  We had about a 63% price appreciation in BTC in about two months from $6,125 to $10,500, so yeah, we were ready for a correction, and sure the market situation likely exacerbated a pre-existing necessity for a correction...

There is seemingly a lot of froth in the altcoin space too that seems to be better to be purged somewhat... Yeah, bitcoin and shitcoins are not the same thing, but still, there can be dragging effects on bitcoin whether we are talking about traditional macro markets, shitcoins or some combination of those.

Furthermore, we are still quite well on track in terms of  the current dominant BTC price prediction models, including 1) stock to flow, 2) four year fractal and 3) s-curve exponential adoption based on metcalfe/ networking effects.  

I have some difficulties understanding how you can be so doom and gloom, recently.  Who fucking cares about some of this short term BTC price movement.. it is part and parcel of opportunities that are taken to try to push the BTC price as low as possible and for as long as possible... and time is likely to show that such efforts are not going to be successful and honey badger gives less than two shits about such manipulation attempts.

Every period has its attempts to get weak hands to part with their coins, and this seems strongly to be a buying or at minimum a hodling period.. because it is quite likely that our lack of correlation is going to show itself, especially if you zoom out a bit....

[nutildah]

For sure, bitcoin remains a hedge.

Now you're redefining "hedge" as "going down with the rest of the market"?

Are you the same nutildah?

I am not redefining hedge...

Get a grip.

You have been pretty negative and bashing on bitcoin lately.

You also should know better.

I'm not "negative on bitcoin," nor am I "bashing" it. I just see zero evidence that it acts as a hedge in a falling stock market. You thus far haven't presented any.

[JayJuanGee]

For sure, bitcoin remains a hedge.

Now you're redefining "hedge" as "going down with the rest of the market"?

Are you the same nutildah?

I am not redefining hedge...

Get a grip.

You have been pretty negative and bashing on bitcoin lately.

You also should know better.

I'm not "negative on bitcoin," nor am I "bashing" it. I just see zero evidence that it acts as a hedge in a falling stock market. You thus far haven't presented any.

I don't need to present any evidence.  You can decide for yourself. 

You realize the level of adoption for bitcoin remains quite low, even compared with gold in terms of financial vehicles being available for regular investors.

How the fuck are traditional investors going to hedge into bitcoin when there are not too many investment vehicles?  10 or 20 years from now, there are likely to be a lot more tools available in bitcoin, but still does not mean that bitcoin is neither a hedge or a great long term play, even if there remains excessive volatility during the short term and even excessive manipulation because bitcoin is way the fuck easier to manipulate or move the price than traditional markets, including selling or even shorting is going to have greater effects with smaller amounts of capital.  Furthermore, even as longer term bitcoin hodlers, we are not even likely aware of the various ways that the price can sometimes be played around with behind the scenes or even the extent to which the Plustoken dumping evidence is true and all that kind of bullshit that goes on behind the scene in order to attempt to take advantage (and profit) from short-term momentum.. downward as that may be..

By the way, I got into bitcoin in late 2013 with the idea that bitcoin was going to serve as a hedge for me, and even some uncertainties about how that was playing out in the short term, especially 2014 and 2015.. but it seems to have been serving as a decent hedge, and my initial investment timeline was 1-2 years minimum, but ended up expanding to much longer as we see. 

Currently, I suggest that anyone getting into bitcoin should be prepared to have a minimum of a 4 year investment timeline and of course, circumstances are going to vary, but holding and investing through at least 2 halvenings (including the supply constraining effects  for 1-2 years after the halvenings) should be able to demonstrate bitcoin hedging effects in a kind of longer term time horizon.

If you, nutildah, are requiring evidence of hedging effects on a short term basis, including panic periods like this, you seem to be devolving into quasi-nutjob status... bring back the real nutildah... I insist!!!!!!!!   

[JayJuanGee]

I don't need to present any evidence.  You can decide for yourself.  

Okay, thanks.

Your welcome.  


Now:  "bring back the real nutildah... I insist!!!!!!!!   "

 

[VB1001]

Bitcoin Optech Newsletter Mar 11, 2020

This week’s newsletter links to a description of methods for preventing hardware wallets from leaking private information through transaction signatures, provides an update on the BIP322 generic signmessage protocol, and summarizes a recent meeting of the Bitcoin Core PR Review Club. Also included are our regular sections about new releases and notable merges of popular Bitcoin infrastructure projects.

https://bitcoinops.org/en/newsletters/2020/03/11/

[El duderino_]

BTC hasn’t to react on Trumps Eu - USA call.... I cannot travel to the USA, but my border less BTC still can!

[Hueristic]

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[UnDerDoG81]

Cmon am I the only one who thinks this Corona is some invention of evil forces to justify the coming crash/financial crisis? Now it's so easy for the blameworthy to point their fingers to the Virus. It's all such a huge sad joke. They kill people just to save their asses! And the 99.9% still sleeps and watches what these super elite does to humanity. Insane!

[mindrust]

Observing $7493, only 60 days left to the bitcoin block half all is good. Not.  

[Icygreen]

The fear is real! Corona eating us and the markets alive!  Hard time to buy RN   but happy for the discount.
RSI below 30 on daily and just over 30 hourly.  Observing $74xx
Floor around $6500 I presume.  

[somac.]

The fear is real! Corona eating us and the markets alive!  Hard time to buy RN   but happy for the discount.
RSI below 30 on daily and just over 30 hourly.  Observing $74xx
Floor around $6500 I presume.  

I'm thinking the same.

Edit: observing 7300s, damn panic sellers

[mindrust]

$7395 foooark. Flashing another $10k @ $6500.

[JSRAW]

- Actor Tom Hanks says he and his wife have tested positive for coronavirus.

Don't want to make fun of this situation but dude is survivor.
  
1994- Vietnam war
2000- Island
2013- Pirates
2016- Plane-landing in River

[El duderino_]

Strange times to live in and be a part of....

[somac.]

$7395 foooark. Flashing another $10k @ $6500.

10k is my entry. finishes the H&S and matches up with a few other indicators

[OutOfMemory]

good morning.
next 35 mins are critical.
observing $7417

EDIT:

[JayJuanGee]

Now:  "bring back the real nutildah... I insist!!!!!!!!   "

 

I've been saying the same thing for years, so consider STFU, JJG. It is Thursday, after all...

If there is a panic on Wall Street, crypto will be the first to feel the effects as it is the highest risk category of high risk investments. This is due to institutional money now being firmly entangled in the crypto market, even if its just mainly bitcoin.

You actually merited this post, JJG:

A new recession will be the true test of bitcoin's market resilience. It will also determine what % of the market cap is currently propped up by Wall Street. As bitcoin is the highest risk of the high risk investment class (actually altcoins are the very highest), a recession will see a sell-off of institution-owned BTC.

If BTC can then establish itself as a "safe haven" investment after the outflow of institutional money, then yeah, sky's the limit.

Though I don't prefer to be the bringer of negativity, bitcoin is among the highest of the high-risk investment category. If there's a market sell-off, BTC, now inexorably tied with Wall Street, will be one of the first assets to suffer a major sell-off, as big-time investors (however ironically) plow their money into cash.
...
The case for BTC being some sort of alternative store of value to the dollar just isn't there yet, IMHO. Speculators have to get out first, which as we all know, isn't happening any time soon.

I agree we don't know how it will work exactly, but my hunch is a recession will drag it down since it is seen as an "extremely high risk" investment. This is the category of investment most likely to tank first in a stock market crash. For the longest time there was no correlation between BTC and stock market movement but that began to change last year when Wall Street started moving in.

Bitcoin only has the potential to be a safe haven investment compared to the dollar if in response to a new crash the feds begin a new game of QE that makes the last one look like Little League. Otherwise the dollar is the go-to investment during a recession.

Fair enough.. that you might be the same consistent nagging nabobs of negativism.

I am going to hold off on sending any additional smerits, for now, since you are kind of being annoying, currently.     

[Icygreen]

Mempool is empty currently, it fills and empties rhythmically over the last week. Thinking this isn't panic selling, just shakeouts.
Bought a small bit and it confirmed in about 1 minute.
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,1w

[JayJuanGee]

Cmon am I the only one who thinks this Corona is some invention of evil forces to justify the coming crash/financial crisis? Now it's so easy for the blameworthy to point their fingers to the Virus. It's all such a huge sad joke. They kill people just to save their asses! And the 99.9% still sleeps and watches what these super elite does to humanity. Insane!

NO you are not as unique as you attempt to present yourself.

There are others with similar skeptical theories... maybe not exactly the same, but similar...   Don't try to assert that you are the first person who has ever argued that there is a bit of either conspiracy going on or st minimum the taking advantage of a crisis by elites in order to exploit and marginalize the public in various ways, including that costs tend to be more borne by the public, and the rich always figure out ways to make money off the backs of the plebs.