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[marcus_of_augustus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTUOek4LgU

... a thought for the 100,000+ souls that have left us early.

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[Elwar]

In this round of "who gets to die by the millions", the vaxxers win.

https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids/amp?fbclid=IwAR0zwf8EpNFZebe9nUnjvLDCxrTGEEHxFMrpCYEjDd3GkgwLxsNFIqNHoQM

Get your tattoos.

[BayAreaCoins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTUOek4LgU

... a thought for the 100,000+ souls that have left us early.

Old people with 5 different types of cancer?  I don't think I'd call that early!!!!  

The number of children aged 0-9 dead globally: Zero.  Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Get your tattoos.

No thank you!

[marcus_of_augustus]

... such a muppet, do you really need your stupid fat nose rubbed in a mass grave to get the stench of death through your thick skull?

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/10/831875297/burials-on-new-york-island-are-not-new-but-are-increasing-during-pandemic


... just the flu bro, no-one's dying bro, just 90yo cancer patients bro ... no kids dying bro.

Denial is a long river for some 

[marcus_of_augustus]

US cases double in a week ... snake bites?
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-04-10/us-coronavirus-cases-doubled-in-1-week-cdc-says

some people are unbelievably stupid, snake bites really?

[cAPSLOCK]

RIP BK.


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[bones261]

Old people with 5 different types of cancer?  I don't think I'd call that early!!!!  

  I think that if I had 5 different types of cancer and was in the last stages of life, I would prefer to be in hospice care being be made as comfortable as possible. I also would like to have those special to me to come say their last goodbyes. I really don't think I want my inevitable death expedited by a virus that basically makes me drown in my own fluids and denied any opportunity to say my last goodbyes.

[marcus_of_augustus]

... doctors struggling to understand the plummeting blood oxygen levels in patients with seemingly functional lungs. It could be attacking the blood cells leading to myriad of complications ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-11/doctor-gambles-on-clot-busting-drug-to-save-virus-patients

... this isn't over by a long stretch, they don't fully understand how the disease is killing people (the one's without other sicknesses).

[lightfoot]

US cases double in a week ... snake bites?
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-04-10/us-coronavirus-cases-doubled-in-1-week-cdc-says

some people are unbelievably stupid, snake bites really?

Interesting. We just passed 20k dead in the US on this one. Let's see on April 1 we had just gotten to 4000 after being at 2000 3 days earlier.

So 16,000 dead in 10 days. If we have 36,000 dead by April 20 then we're doing really well. Hm.

Not quite the millions dead in the original charts, but will be interesting to see.

[Ibian]

... doctors struggling to understand the plummeting blood oxygen levels in patients with seemingly functional lungs. It could be attacking the blood cells leading to myriad of complications ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-11/doctor-gambles-on-clot-busting-drug-to-save-virus-patients

... this isn't over by a long stretch, they don't fully understand how the disease is killing people (the one's without other sicknesses).

Someone posted a link earlier. What seems to be happening is that the virus is attacking hemoglobin. They become unable to pass oxygen around the body. At the same time ionized iron is released which is toxic to the body.

The kidneys and liver and whatever other organs get to work cleaning the system up, but they don't have the oxygen to function properly. Basically the body becomes overloaded with toxin and doesn't have the fuel to clean it up.

If this is how it works then that also explains why the malaria medicine works, because malaria also attacks hemoglobin. Apparently the process is similar enough.

[Ibian]

US cases double in a week ... snake bites?
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-04-10/us-coronavirus-cases-doubled-in-1-week-cdc-says

some people are unbelievably stupid, snake bites really?

Interesting. We just passed 20k dead in the US on this one. Let's see on April 1 we had just gotten to 4000 after being at 2000 3 days earlier.

So 16,000 dead in 10 days. If we have 36,000 dead by April 20 then we're doing really well. Hm.

Not quite the millions dead in the original charts, but will be interesting to see.

Literally the entire world is going to get exposed to the virus.

[jojo69]

Some feedback on that article:

Jennifer L Kasten, MD, MSc, MSc

COVID-19 4/8: 1) Debunking the "COVID had us all fooled" hemoglobin theory; 2) British NHS cancels 3.5 million inferior-quality Chinese antibody tests.

Firstly, many have read an alternative physiologic mechanism of the coronavirus which has been circulating. The theory was originally published on Medium by a non-MD, non-physiologist; a self-titled "professional disrupter" called Andrew Gaiziunas (AKA "libertymavenstock"), who predominantly is on the internet as a cryptocurrency enthusiast but who happened to read a single non-peer reviewed journal article about SARS-CoV-2 inhibiting human heme synthesis, an education which he felt was sufficient to permit him to comment.

Let's start with the original paper. It involved computer analysis of the predicted structure of the virus' proteins, in three dimensions. (Computer simulation is a common technique in the field of proteomics). The authors noticed, wow, it looks like the structure of a couple of the surface proteins could "dock" with the heme synthesis mechanism human red blood cells employ. "Could" being the operative word- this has never been observed, as the virus is not found in human blood except rarely in ultra-highly-infected people. The authors quite inappropriately titled their paper "COVID-19 Attacks the 1-Beta Chain..." instead of "A couple of proteins in this virus could theoretically bind with the 1-beta chain.. based on our structural simulation."

So, the Gaiziunas piece started from the assumption that this was scientific fact instead of an extremely theoretical, unproven, unlikely assertion. He was then off to the races. His main premise is that basically COVID-19 isn't a primary respiratory disease, it's a blood disease. It causes organ failure of all organs, not just the lungs, at the same time, and that's what kills people. He asserts they don't have ARDS, but instead red blood cells release maverick, rogue radical oxygen species which causes unmitigated tissue damage.

There is no evidence for any of this, and if anyone took it seriously (treating COVID with blood transfusions instead of respiratory support) it would be extremely dangerous. Let's start: we pathologists can visualize the virus, with our eyes and our light & electron microscopes, infecting the Type 2 pneumocytes of the lungs, along with the cells lining the respiratory tree and associated mucinous glands. We know the virus enters these cells via its spike protein and the ACE receptor. And we also know the virus is generally never found in blood. Unlike the lung cells, we cannot see it in human red blood cells, though we've looked (out of interest in this theory a few people have tried hemoglobin electrophoresis and looked carefully at peripheral smears, and came up with nothing).

We can also see ARDS- there is a specific cascade of visible changes, including the filling of the airspaces with fluid which eventually coalesce into sticky coatings called hyaline membranes. I will attach a nice photo from Xiao et al of the lung pathology in COVID patients to this post, which include virus in the cells. The hyaline membranes coat the gas-exchange part of the lungs, making gas exchange difficult and sending the infected patient teetering off into respiratory failure. That being said- apart from him, there is some interest generated in alternative ventilatory strategies for COVID, because the patients do seem to tolerate hypoxemia (lower blood oxygen saturation) better than other respiratory failure patients, so some critical care doctors are letting them "go lower" to avoid intubation than they would usually be comfortable with.

I want to stress that anyone can come up with a good idea. The fact that Andrew Gaiziunas doesn't have a relevant background doesn't mean that his idea, if reasonable or interesting, shouldn't be considered. But it is rather fun to point out the howlers:

- he describes "high-pressure intubation" instead of mechanical ventilation
- he refers to the malaria parasite as "bacteria"
- he states confidently that ground-glass opacities on CT scan "are always bilateral" [no] in COVID and that this fact is somehow supportive of his theory
- he states the kidneys make erythropoietin which causes an acutely detectable rise in hemoglobin, in a matter of hours (takes weeks
- he states the acute liver damage in multi-system organ failure is due to iron scavenging (takes years)

2) I've written before about poor-quality tests with hasty/improper/skipped validation data and poor cross-reactivity. The damage to the public, if bad tests with lots of false positives due to reacting with "common cold" coronaviruses, is considerable. Britain had made widescale population-level antibody testing a cornerstone of its control & re-entry strategy, but returned the 3.5 million bad tests to China. Matt Hancock, Health Secretary and COVID patient, rightly said "no test is better than a bad test."

too bad, it had the truthiness to it

[Elwar]

Call me when we surpass 2009's H1N1 deaths at 575,000 under Obama when the media was more focused on his Nobel Peace Prize than "they're dying!".

Where did they bury the bodies then?

[Hueristic]

JJg, you got your wish, Karma.

Coronavirus: Pastor who decried 'hysteria' dies after attending Mardi Gras

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52157824


Unfortunately he bred first so he can't win a darwin award.

[Ibian]

Some feedback on that article:

Jennifer L Kasten, MD, MSc, MSc

COVID-19 4/8: 1) Debunking the "COVID had us all fooled" hemoglobin theory; 2) British NHS cancels 3.5 million inferior-quality Chinese antibody tests.

Firstly, many have read an alternative physiologic mechanism of the coronavirus which has been circulating. The theory was originally published on Medium by a non-MD, non-physiologist; a self-titled "professional disrupter" called Andrew Gaiziunas (AKA "libertymavenstock"), who predominantly is on the internet as a cryptocurrency enthusiast but who happened to read a single non-peer reviewed journal article about SARS-CoV-2 inhibiting human heme synthesis, an education which he felt was sufficient to permit him to comment.

Let's start with the original paper. It involved computer analysis of the predicted structure of the virus' proteins, in three dimensions. (Computer simulation is a common technique in the field of proteomics). The authors noticed, wow, it looks like the structure of a couple of the surface proteins could "dock" with the heme synthesis mechanism human red blood cells employ. "Could" being the operative word- this has never been observed, as the virus is not found in human blood except rarely in ultra-highly-infected people. The authors quite inappropriately titled their paper "COVID-19 Attacks the 1-Beta Chain..." instead of "A couple of proteins in this virus could theoretically bind with the 1-beta chain.. based on our structural simulation."

So, the Gaiziunas piece started from the assumption that this was scientific fact instead of an extremely theoretical, unproven, unlikely assertion. He was then off to the races. His main premise is that basically COVID-19 isn't a primary respiratory disease, it's a blood disease. It causes organ failure of all organs, not just the lungs, at the same time, and that's what kills people. He asserts they don't have ARDS, but instead red blood cells release maverick, rogue radical oxygen species which causes unmitigated tissue damage.

There is no evidence for any of this, and if anyone took it seriously (treating COVID with blood transfusions instead of respiratory support) it would be extremely dangerous. Let's start: we pathologists can visualize the virus, with our eyes and our light & electron microscopes, infecting the Type 2 pneumocytes of the lungs, along with the cells lining the respiratory tree and associated mucinous glands. We know the virus enters these cells via its spike protein and the ACE receptor. And we also know the virus is generally never found in blood. Unlike the lung cells, we cannot see it in human red blood cells, though we've looked (out of interest in this theory a few people have tried hemoglobin electrophoresis and looked carefully at peripheral smears, and came up with nothing).

We can also see ARDS- there is a specific cascade of visible changes, including the filling of the airspaces with fluid which eventually coalesce into sticky coatings called hyaline membranes. I will attach a nice photo from Xiao et al of the lung pathology in COVID patients to this post, which include virus in the cells. The hyaline membranes coat the gas-exchange part of the lungs, making gas exchange difficult and sending the infected patient teetering off into respiratory failure. That being said- apart from him, there is some interest generated in alternative ventilatory strategies for COVID, because the patients do seem to tolerate hypoxemia (lower blood oxygen saturation) better than other respiratory failure patients, so some critical care doctors are letting them "go lower" to avoid intubation than they would usually be comfortable with.

I want to stress that anyone can come up with a good idea. The fact that Andrew Gaiziunas doesn't have a relevant background doesn't mean that his idea, if reasonable or interesting, shouldn't be considered. But it is rather fun to point out the howlers:

- he describes "high-pressure intubation" instead of mechanical ventilation
- he refers to the malaria parasite as "bacteria"
- he states confidently that ground-glass opacities on CT scan "are always bilateral" [no] in COVID and that this fact is somehow supportive of his theory
- he states the kidneys make erythropoietin which causes an acutely detectable rise in hemoglobin, in a matter of hours (takes weeks
- he states the acute liver damage in multi-system organ failure is due to iron scavenging (takes years)

2) I've written before about poor-quality tests with hasty/improper/skipped validation data and poor cross-reactivity. The damage to the public, if bad tests with lots of false positives due to reacting with "common cold" coronaviruses, is considerable. Britain had made widescale population-level antibody testing a cornerstone of its control & re-entry strategy, but returned the 3.5 million bad tests to China. Matt Hancock, Health Secretary and COVID patient, rightly said "no test is better than a bad test."

I do not trust Jennifer.

[bitserve]

Some feedback on that article:

Jennifer L Kasten, MD, MSc, MSc

COVID-19 4/8: 1) Debunking the "COVID had us all fooled" hemoglobin theory; 2) British NHS cancels 3.5 million inferior-quality Chinese antibody tests.

Firstly, many have read an alternative physiologic mechanism of the coronavirus which has been circulating. The theory was originally published on Medium by a non-MD, non-physiologist; a self-titled "professional disrupter" called Andrew Gaiziunas (AKA "libertymavenstock"), who predominantly is on the internet as a cryptocurrency enthusiast but who happened to read a single non-peer reviewed journal article about SARS-CoV-2 inhibiting human heme synthesis, an education which he felt was sufficient to permit him to comment.

Let's start with the original paper. It involved computer analysis of the predicted structure of the virus' proteins, in three dimensions. (Computer simulation is a common technique in the field of proteomics). The authors noticed, wow, it looks like the structure of a couple of the surface proteins could "dock" with the heme synthesis mechanism human red blood cells employ. "Could" being the operative word- this has never been observed, as the virus is not found in human blood except rarely in ultra-highly-infected people. The authors quite inappropriately titled their paper "COVID-19 Attacks the 1-Beta Chain..." instead of "A couple of proteins in this virus could theoretically bind with the 1-beta chain.. based on our structural simulation."

So, the Gaiziunas piece started from the assumption that this was scientific fact instead of an extremely theoretical, unproven, unlikely assertion. He was then off to the races. His main premise is that basically COVID-19 isn't a primary respiratory disease, it's a blood disease. It causes organ failure of all organs, not just the lungs, at the same time, and that's what kills people. He asserts they don't have ARDS, but instead red blood cells release maverick, rogue radical oxygen species which causes unmitigated tissue damage.

There is no evidence for any of this, and if anyone took it seriously (treating COVID with blood transfusions instead of respiratory support) it would be extremely dangerous. Let's start: we pathologists can visualize the virus, with our eyes and our light & electron microscopes, infecting the Type 2 pneumocytes of the lungs, along with the cells lining the respiratory tree and associated mucinous glands. We know the virus enters these cells via its spike protein and the ACE receptor. And we also know the virus is generally never found in blood. Unlike the lung cells, we cannot see it in human red blood cells, though we've looked (out of interest in this theory a few people have tried hemoglobin electrophoresis and looked carefully at peripheral smears, and came up with nothing).

We can also see ARDS- there is a specific cascade of visible changes, including the filling of the airspaces with fluid which eventually coalesce into sticky coatings called hyaline membranes. I will attach a nice photo from Xiao et al of the lung pathology in COVID patients to this post, which include virus in the cells. The hyaline membranes coat the gas-exchange part of the lungs, making gas exchange difficult and sending the infected patient teetering off into respiratory failure. That being said- apart from him, there is some interest generated in alternative ventilatory strategies for COVID, because the patients do seem to tolerate hypoxemia (lower blood oxygen saturation) better than other respiratory failure patients, so some critical care doctors are letting them "go lower" to avoid intubation than they would usually be comfortable with.

I want to stress that anyone can come up with a good idea. The fact that Andrew Gaiziunas doesn't have a relevant background doesn't mean that his idea, if reasonable or interesting, shouldn't be considered. But it is rather fun to point out the howlers:

- he describes "high-pressure intubation" instead of mechanical ventilation
- he refers to the malaria parasite as "bacteria"
- he states confidently that ground-glass opacities on CT scan "are always bilateral" [no] in COVID and that this fact is somehow supportive of his theory
- he states the kidneys make erythropoietin which causes an acutely detectable rise in hemoglobin, in a matter of hours (takes weeks
- he states the acute liver damage in multi-system organ failure is due to iron scavenging (takes years)

2) I've written before about poor-quality tests with hasty/improper/skipped validation data and poor cross-reactivity. The damage to the public, if bad tests with lots of false positives due to reacting with "common cold" coronaviruses, is considerable. Britain had made widescale population-level antibody testing a cornerstone of its control & re-entry strategy, but returned the 3.5 million bad tests to China. Matt Hancock, Health Secretary and COVID patient, rightly said "no test is better than a bad test."

I do not trust Jennifer.

The biggest problem I see with the hemoglobin theory is that it would have been PRETTY EASY to confirm. Even without any proper clinical studies. Just take one patient that is on ventilation and instead hook him to an artificial lung (blood oxygenator). If it still doesn't saturate well then the theory proves correct, if it does it's bullshit.

And why do I say that it is a problem? Because it is well known that the Japanese (at least) have hook some patients to artificial lungs and if the theory was correct they would have immediately noticed something very wrong happening in a big WTF moment.

So, unless the Japanese and others that have tried are hiding it, I would call that theory bullshit.

[Ibian]

Some feedback on that article:

Jennifer L Kasten, MD, MSc, MSc

COVID-19 4/8: 1) Debunking the "COVID had us all fooled" hemoglobin theory; 2) British NHS cancels 3.5 million inferior-quality Chinese antibody tests.

Firstly, many have read an alternative physiologic mechanism of the coronavirus which has been circulating. The theory was originally published on Medium by a non-MD, non-physiologist; a self-titled "professional disrupter" called Andrew Gaiziunas (AKA "libertymavenstock"), who predominantly is on the internet as a cryptocurrency enthusiast but who happened to read a single non-peer reviewed journal article about SARS-CoV-2 inhibiting human heme synthesis, an education which he felt was sufficient to permit him to comment.

Let's start with the original paper. It involved computer analysis of the predicted structure of the virus' proteins, in three dimensions. (Computer simulation is a common technique in the field of proteomics). The authors noticed, wow, it looks like the structure of a couple of the surface proteins could "dock" with the heme synthesis mechanism human red blood cells employ. "Could" being the operative word- this has never been observed, as the virus is not found in human blood except rarely in ultra-highly-infected people. The authors quite inappropriately titled their paper "COVID-19 Attacks the 1-Beta Chain..." instead of "A couple of proteins in this virus could theoretically bind with the 1-beta chain.. based on our structural simulation."

So, the Gaiziunas piece started from the assumption that this was scientific fact instead of an extremely theoretical, unproven, unlikely assertion. He was then off to the races. His main premise is that basically COVID-19 isn't a primary respiratory disease, it's a blood disease. It causes organ failure of all organs, not just the lungs, at the same time, and that's what kills people. He asserts they don't have ARDS, but instead red blood cells release maverick, rogue radical oxygen species which causes unmitigated tissue damage.

There is no evidence for any of this, and if anyone took it seriously (treating COVID with blood transfusions instead of respiratory support) it would be extremely dangerous. Let's start: we pathologists can visualize the virus, with our eyes and our light & electron microscopes, infecting the Type 2 pneumocytes of the lungs, along with the cells lining the respiratory tree and associated mucinous glands. We know the virus enters these cells via its spike protein and the ACE receptor. And we also know the virus is generally never found in blood. Unlike the lung cells, we cannot see it in human red blood cells, though we've looked (out of interest in this theory a few people have tried hemoglobin electrophoresis and looked carefully at peripheral smears, and came up with nothing).

We can also see ARDS- there is a specific cascade of visible changes, including the filling of the airspaces with fluid which eventually coalesce into sticky coatings called hyaline membranes. I will attach a nice photo from Xiao et al of the lung pathology in COVID patients to this post, which include virus in the cells. The hyaline membranes coat the gas-exchange part of the lungs, making gas exchange difficult and sending the infected patient teetering off into respiratory failure. That being said- apart from him, there is some interest generated in alternative ventilatory strategies for COVID, because the patients do seem to tolerate hypoxemia (lower blood oxygen saturation) better than other respiratory failure patients, so some critical care doctors are letting them "go lower" to avoid intubation than they would usually be comfortable with.

I want to stress that anyone can come up with a good idea. The fact that Andrew Gaiziunas doesn't have a relevant background doesn't mean that his idea, if reasonable or interesting, shouldn't be considered. But it is rather fun to point out the howlers:

- he describes "high-pressure intubation" instead of mechanical ventilation
- he refers to the malaria parasite as "bacteria"
- he states confidently that ground-glass opacities on CT scan "are always bilateral" [no] in COVID and that this fact is somehow supportive of his theory
- he states the kidneys make erythropoietin which causes an acutely detectable rise in hemoglobin, in a matter of hours (takes weeks
- he states the acute liver damage in multi-system organ failure is due to iron scavenging (takes years)

2) I've written before about poor-quality tests with hasty/improper/skipped validation data and poor cross-reactivity. The damage to the public, if bad tests with lots of false positives due to reacting with "common cold" coronaviruses, is considerable. Britain had made widescale population-level antibody testing a cornerstone of its control & re-entry strategy, but returned the 3.5 million bad tests to China. Matt Hancock, Health Secretary and COVID patient, rightly said "no test is better than a bad test."

I do not trust Jennifer.

The biggest problem I see with the hemoglobin theory is that it would have been PRETTY EASY to confirm. Even without any proper clinical studies. Just take one patient that is on ventilation and instead hook him to an artificial lung (blood oxygenator). If it still doesn't saturate well then the theory proves correct, if it does it's bullshit.

And why do I say that it is a problem? Because it is well known that the Japanese (at least) have hook some patients to artificial lungs and if the theory was correct they would have immediately noticed something very wrong happening in a big WTF moment.

So, unless the Japanese and others that have tried are hiding it, I would call that theory bullshit.

Crap. So now what?

I still do not trust Jennifer.

[bones261]

While browsing YouTube the other night, I found these two videos to be very informative on covid19, even though they are slightly outdated. A bit above my head, but still helped me understand this a little more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uYuNvh_b6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSb9ydSdAC8

[bitserve]

Call me when we surpass 2009's H1N1 deaths at 575,000 under Obama when the media was more focused on his Nobel Peace Prize than "they're dying!".

Where did they bury the bodies then?

Just to put things in perspective, H1N1 killed an estimated 12K persons in the US over a period of one year (2009-2010). Around the same people (20K) have already died in US from covid during the past few weeks. Also there are places like NY where the incidence is huge.

So yes, it is reasonable that one order of magnitude more bodies to cremate/bury in a short timeframe does suppose a little problem. Not the biggest one though.

[marcus_of_augustus]

US cases double in a week ... snake bites?
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-04-10/us-coronavirus-cases-doubled-in-1-week-cdc-says

some people are unbelievably stupid, snake bites really?

Interesting. We just passed 20k dead in the US on this one. Let's see on April 1 we had just gotten to 4000 after being at 2000 3 days earlier.

So 16,000 dead in 10 days. If we have 36,000 dead by April 20 then we're doing really well. Hm.

Not quite the millions dead in the original charts, but will be interesting to see.

... you seem particularly challenged on the numbers comprehension front but I'll play along. The millions in the original charts would be what happened if there were no interventions, expansion of ICUs etc ... take a look around, does it look like everything is the same as 'normal'?

It's like claiming "where are all the dead?" for the town that didn't get burnt down because the bushfire in the park upwind was put out instead of allowed to burn.

But you and the other guys would have waited until the hospitals were overflowing before doing anything, using the same "where are all the dead?" dumbfuck logic too btw. At that point the virus is widespread and your are a 4-5 weeks behind the exponentially increasing numbers curve .... but fine the dumbfucks got their 2 cents worth in and the West is probably 'only' 2-3 weeks behind the curve so 'only' tens of thousands will be dying ... in this first round.

What happens in the next round is up to you ...