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June 04, 2021, 12:23:34 PM

Study: Over 50 Million Americans Likely to Buy Crypto in the Next Year

In May 2021, The Ascent surveyed 2,000 American adults about cryptocurrency.

Key findings

Interest in cryptocurrency continues to grow: Over 51% of Americans who own cryptocurrency bought for the first time within the last 12 months. 22% of Americans that have never purchased cryptocurrency are likely to buy in the next year.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans typically sell cryptocurrency within a year of buying

Do you think people who haven't yet invested in cryptocurrency have missed the boat or are too late to make a profit?   Percentage of owners/previous owners of cryptocurrency   Percentage of non-owners of cryptocurrency   Percentage of all respondents
Yes   52.16%   27.58%   42.62%
No   47.84%   72.42%   57.38%


Let's set
x=owners/previous owners of cryptocurrency
y=non-owners of cryptocurrency
x*52.1+y*27.6=(x+y)*42.6
9.5x=15y

because x+y=1 total american adult
get
x=61%
y=39% (this means non-owners which never buy crypto is 39% total american adult)

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14% of American adults -- roughly 21 million people -- own cryptocurrency, according to a report from Gemini
why owners percent is so low, because 2/3 of them sold within a year.

and the 50M will buy is wrong
should
208*39%*20%=16M

Several points that are likely overlapping but attempting to respond to your post.

First of all, I am not sure what point we would be making in this thread to be focusing on some amorphous concept such as "crypto currency" and what the fuck that is?    So what if the survey focuses on Crypto currencies.. shouldn't we be attempting to sort that shit out and trying to actually relate the words being used to this thread?

Second, sure there are likely more people who own the broader category of crypto currency than own bitcoin, even though a lot of us suspect that crypto currency owners are likely to gravitate more and more towards being also bitcoin owners, but there are a lot of doubts regarding if the crypto currency holders also hold bitcoin.. especially if the subject is not clarified.. ...

Third, if we attempt to focus specifically on bitcoin, then surely we are going to have additional troubles trying to figure out who owns bitcoin (or at least how many of the respondents own bitcoin) if  
the question is asked in such an amorphous way.

Fourth, if there are various kinds of methodologies to attempt to figure out bitcoin adoption, that would be a great thing, including surveys, and not even sure if focusing on Americans would necessarily help us to figure out the more important questions regarding adoption overall, since bitcoin does not give no shits about actual national borders - even though actual national borders can surely affect the on ramps and off ramps that are available... and also national borders can also cause differing kinds of reactions and perceptions in regards to either talking about bitcoin or taking actions to accumulate or hold some bitcoin.

Fifth, surely many of us who are attempting to pay attention to the bitcoin space are actually interested in questions regarding the extent to which bitcoin adoption might be increasing, including  trying to figure out how that information is being gathered to make such assessments - because in the end, there is a lot of lack of clarity in terms of really figuring out the extent to which bitcoin adoption is likely to be increasing.  Surely, surveys is one method to determine adoption or intent to adopt that can supplement the looking at bitcoin addresses and even getting information from some third party BTC holders regarding their reporting on their user base.. which also might not exactly be clear or verifiable.

Sixth, there are likely many of us who become quite skeptical whenever we are seeing numbers suggesting bitcoin adoption to even be approaching double digit percentages, whether we are narrowing down such groups to technical people or people who might be more potentially aware (and capable) of adopting bitcoin or if we attempt to extrapolate that information to various publics more broadly, presuming that USA and maybe some other countries have more access to electronics and the internet.. so might be more able to get involved in finding out information about bitcoin and thereafter able to potentially adopt it by use of a smart phone, computer and/or internet connection.

Seventh, presuming retail adoption or even popular adoption is not even the same as some of our finding out about institutional and even rich person large scale accumulation of bitcoins (and even saying that they are not selling their BTC because they are holding for the longer term - whether those statements are true or not).  So, surely adoption can be all over the place in terms of what we hear about adoption that might even be coming from seemingly BIGGER players and whether the conduct and statements of BIGGER players towards bitcoin (which also is not always either positive or even likely consistent to have their actions and their words aligned) are getting publicity and affecting the conduct of smaller players (aka normies, aka retail).

not statistically proven: chart buddy postings (when occurring at high frequency) seem to inhibit the number of other posts on WO.
I guess people get the info and are satisfied.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't like chart buddy and don't visit the thread as often right now, so there is as least a correlation.
You turn on the computer and see three or four chart buddys in a row and just go "oh for fucks sake", and leave.

Oh gawd...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

#pathetic

Again perfectly timed tweet, right before the weekend. So let's see where we land after the usual weekend dump.

Hm?  "Usual"?

I did not realize that there is a "usual" in bitcoin.

I do realize that there is data to show that you fucking better be in bitcoin for the few days of the year that it pumps and those pumps can come quite unexpectedly... so in any event, if you are always pee pared for UPpity, you are likely going to turn out way richer in the long run rather than getting worried that bitcoin might end up dumping here or there.. which overall the data seems to show that it dumps way more frequently than it pumps.. and in that regard making various ongoing strategic buys (aka buying on dips) seems to be an ongoingly good strategy.. whether peeps be whining or no.**

**Largely, the whining adds up to something like this:  "I am not getting richie fast enough."  whine, whine, whine.  Or, "I really believe in BTC  -- accordingly I dumped some so I could buy back lower, but the price didn't go lower."  whine, whine, whine.  hahahaha  Get a fucking grip, soldiers.
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June 04, 2021, 12:40:02 PM

it will be a musk-pain-in-the-ass weekend.

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June 04, 2021, 12:47:44 PM

Maybe fake out before weekend-bday pump??
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not statistically proven: chart buddy postings (when occurring at high frequency) seem to inhibit the number of other posts on WO.
I guess people get the info and are satisfied.
I can only speak for myself, but I don't like chart buddy and don't visit the thread as often right now, so there is as least a correlation.
You turn on the computer and see three or four chart buddys in a row and just go "oh for fucks sake", and leave.

Personally I like the "3D orderbook histogram", really useful. You can always put ChartBuddy on "ignore" like any other user if it bothers you too much.


Seventh, presuming retail adoption or even popular adoption is not even the same as some of our finding out about institutional and even rich person large scale accumulation of bitcoins (and even saying that they are not selling their BTC because they are holding for the longer term - whether those statements are true or not).  So, surely adoption can be all over the place in terms of what we hear about adoption that might even be coming from seemingly BIGGER players and whether the conduct and statements of BIGGER players towards bitcoin (which also is not always either positive or even likely consistent to have their actions and their words aligned) are getting publicity and affecting the conduct of smaller players (aka normies, aka retail).

I'm hopeful we will finally see Bitcoin used more as a currency rather than a commodity thanks to lightning and taproot, that combo has "shopping online" written all over it, small transactions fast with no fees (once channels are established) and contracts. This should have a positive impact on Bitcoin adoption in general.

https://twitter.com/BitcoinMerges/status/1400550367352561664
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June 04, 2021, 01:26:15 PM

Indeed…. My 35th year started as off today…. Of course a dip is presented on a platter

Happy birthday and I wish you many cheap bitcoins... (sounded better in my head).
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June 04, 2021, 01:36:44 PM

.... (sounded better in my head).

Everything sounds better in my head. And that’s where it stays, thank goodness.
(Unless I’ve had a few too many, then I post it and regret it the next morning....)
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June 04, 2021, 02:24:12 PM

Maybe fake out before weekend-bday pump??

For Sure, It was a fake out and we will huge pump on Sunday night.

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June 04, 2021, 02:26:57 PM

not statistically proven: chart buddy postings (when occurring at high frequency) seem to inhibit the number of other posts on WO.
I guess people get the info and are satisfied.


I can only speak for myself, but I don't like chart buddy and don't visit the thread as often right now, so there is as least a correlation.
You turn on the computer and see three or four chart buddys in a row and just go "oh for fucks sake", and leave.

Your disapproval is duly noted

Come on man let it go lol



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Elon musk, won’t be missed in the top 20 of richest people on the planet….

In retrospect …”regret will come later”


A headline from the future…
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Elon musk, won’t be missed in the top 20 of richest people on the planet….

In retrospect …”regret will come later”


A headline from the future…

Elon got well compensated for his role in all this I'm sure. Having a mega personality well known with millennials and hipsters, buy bitcoin and then later turn on it, is going to be the new "China FUD" moving forward.

Mark my words, it will happen again in a few years.

The only question is who will they pick next.  Wink
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I don't think that Moron's last tweet is related to the dump. It happened 2 hours after the first leg and 2 hours before the second leg. In the last days we've had a steady growth,

Huh?  Steady growth?  Hard to characterize various price movements within a consolidation range as "steady growth," no?  Seems like too short of a period of a time and any BTC price movement needs to be considered within a context, including difficulties to characterize exactly what the fuck might be going on in the shorter term BTC price moves.. .. 

so the weak hands postponed their dump until 39K+.

I thought that part of the definition of weak hands is that they are selling on the way down.. they are usually not having so much will power or forethought to dump on the way up.. even though surely some of them are going to be trying to catch the waves, a common understanding of weakhands is their emotionally going with the momentum, so they are usually not going to be catching the tops of waves, at least generally speaking.

This is the entry point for many STH,

What is STH?   

so they are "happy" (mindrust kind of happiness) to quit now on break even or a small loss.

Your mentioning mindrust did cause me to get diverted (or would it be distracted), and I felt that I had to go look up and see what he has been up to, recently (in terms of recent forum posts).

Surely your point is taken that some people who consider themselves to be bitcoin investors or BTC accumulators do end up getting so damned worried about whether their BTC holdings are "in profits" or not.

It surely takes a while to transition into both having confidence in bitcoin and getting out of the mindset of "dollar value."  Yeah, of course, many of us do get invested into things before we understand them, so in that sense, we could well end up panicking and doing the wrong thing (actually the opposite thing from what we should be doing) at the wrong time.

Hopefully this is the last patch of losers going rekkt.

No way, Jose. 

There are always going to be losers.

Bitcoin never goes straight up, even when it might appear to have gone straight up, such straight up never happens (or at least never feels like it is happening)... so... ongoingly, one of the guarantees of bitcoin is that peeps are going to get shaken out on a regular basis for a variety of reasons or even no reason at all beyond being scaredie cats of their own shadows.  Some of them become disgruntled nocoiners because they sold too much (if not all) too soon on the way up.. and then the price never comes back down, and sure others get shaken out on dips like our current dip.

Anyway, Moron is also a weak hand and a n00b. Besides, he is an aspburger, so his soul is broken by default. I expect him to dump both his own and Tesla's bitcoins at some point.

He surely is showing a lot of weaknesses in the publications of his stream of consciousness or however we might want to label what he is doing.

This day should be celebrated, since the image of Bitcoin will be healed by another cancer lump like Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, CW and many other evil peeps.

Yep... we are kind of used to this.

Not that Bitcoin in itself can be damaged by the weak hands though. On the contrary, the switch to more serious and truly diamond hands is what matters in the long-term. (And the aspburger guy thinks he has diamond hands. Hilarious!  Grin Grin Grin)

True dat!
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welcome to the summer of fake outs

havent been saying much because there is not much to say until this apparent H&S pattern resolves



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