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July 14, 2021, 11:55:14 AM
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It's not like I need the money right now….{snip}

I guess that's why this dump got to me honestly. Unlike 2014, 2018, {snip} I wasn't close enough to my dreams and now that I was very close it just felt like a bullet in the back of the head (no panic though). Also, it was an unexpected move going off price history, and the thought that this could be a prolonged bear market after such a small move up is disheartening. I'm still hoping that this is a correction (mini bear market) in the longer bull supercycle as well, but I'm not seeing much bullish price action, though on-chain seems to be showing some good signs. Like others, I'm thinking towards the end of this year we should see something, but if we don't by then, well, that ain't a good sign.

Mostly similar to myself.

Also the major deviation from S2F is concerning.

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July 14, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
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Just don't forget these words by Hal and you all will be good.

"With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million."
Hal was a smart guy, but he arrived at that number through faulty economic reasoning.

Yes his reasoning was faulty, bitcoin will be worth a lot more then 10 million and it will happen in our lifetime, most of us anyway.
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July 14, 2021, 12:40:38 PM
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Oh gawd, Dabs.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

My first quickie read of your above paragraph caused me to consider that you were referring to the BTC portion that you are speculation to NOT have been cashed out, and then I saw that you were speculating in regards to the dollar value...

Holy sheeeeeiiitttt.

For sure, I do not mind speculating in terms of attempting to dollar pegging of value, but I surely do not consider it to be healthy for guys to be planning to lump sum cash out their BTC into dollars and then feel some kind of assurance regarding that kind of financial planning.. even though I understand that a lot of normies do want to gravitate towards that kind of dollar denominated (rather than dollar pegging) thinkenings.

For sure, BTC HODLers should be attempting to remain in the real world, and it is quite doubtful that the dollar is going to completely go away anytime in the near future, even though we have been witnessing extreme levels of ongoing abuse, in terms of the ongoing and seemingly ever increasing levels of outrageous irresponsibilities in terms of dollar printing.. but I really find it problematic that anyone with any kind of semblance of bitcoin conviction would be wanting to frame bitcoin strategies in terms of lump sum cashening out of BTC in order to secure some kind of dollar denominated future...

Aren't we here (meaning in bitcoin) in the first place, because we are having troubles in terms of having a lot of faith in the dollar being able to retain value?

*edit* nah, both addresses kept on moving. The first one is probably an exchange address. I'm not sure about the other one, but it kept moving and sending the coins somewhere else.

Fair points regarding trying to speculate regarding places that the BTC may have gone.


I thinkenings of it this way, if I (personally, me) had 750 BTC in cold storage for 9 years, and I needed to access that today (or yesterday, or any time this year 2021), after seeing its dollar value go fluctuate between $20k up to $60k in the first quarter of 2021 alone, I would probably do something similar.

Cash out 100 BTC, save the remaining 650 BTC and put back into cold storage (or in this case, the owner did something else, perhaps he split it some more into more parts depending on how he thinks it should be managed.)

So yes, many of us are here because the fiat world is devaluing, but at the same time we also know the dollars and the fiats are not disappearing soon.

Considering that the average person can survive on approximately $40k in expenses per year (or less), then $1m ought to last that person at least 30 years, even if conservatively invested in traditional equities/fixed income assets. $3m therefore will be about the same thing for anyone with less than $120k in annual expenses.

Most people will have more than 9 years with that kind of fiat cash dollars, even if they don't invest in anything and just dump it in a cash "savings" account, or spending account.

The remaining 650 BTC (worth at least $20m USD), I probably will not need myself, as I'm sure the real owner of that address did not need it for 9 years, can be put back into cold storage and not touched for at least another 9 to 10 to 20, maybe to 30 years.

I did not bother tracking where the rest moved though, so I don't know what could have happened to it. The wise thing to try to do is obfuscate the trail using whatever tech there is now, such as CoinJoins like Wasabi or Samourai or putting it into multi-sig, or if you trust an exchange to handle that kind of coin temporarily before sending it back to cold storage.

Personally, I would divide that into maybe 65 different addresses of 10 BTC each (or even smaller), whatever I can handle just thinkenings about it, just so I can keep them separate.

Even if I did not have to use the cash, allowing a budget of at most 10 BTC a year, the stash could last 65 years, at whatever price it is then.

Of course, if in the next 10 to 20 years, we see that fiat is seriously and miserably failing according to whatever standards we believe in the future, then surely, just HODL onto the BTC and spend as needed. Or don't spend, try to make the $3 million dollars in cash last as long as you can.

Of course, this all depends on what is one's current income and spending numbers. The usual 4% rule and $40k annual expenses are just arbitrary numbers. Some have it higher or lower.
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July 14, 2021, 12:56:31 PM

Currently 31 degrees outside, 26 degrees inside, just great, even the cats are too hot to do anything.
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July 14, 2021, 12:58:40 PM

Currently 31 degrees outside, 26 degrees inside, just great, even the cats are too hot to do anything.

First thought was "man, that's kind of chilly".
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July 14, 2021, 01:01:40 PM

Just don't forget these words by Hal and you all will be good.

"With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million."
Hal was a smart guy, but he arrived at that number through faulty economic reasoning.
Then I would rather believe his faulty economic reasoning. Cheesy
You prefer snorting hopium over truth?  To each his own I guess  Wink .

Of course it seems inevitable that if bitcoin remains relevant (which most of us here strongly believe), and the us dollar is still a thing, that purely due to inflation it will reach a 10 million usd/btc price.  It just won't be dollars with the purchasing price of those in 2009 when Hal made the prediction.

Yes his reasoning was faulty, bitcoin will be worth a lot more then 10 million and it will happen in our lifetime, most of us anyway.

That "prediction" was made in 2009. Someone updated it recently and the numbers we are looking at in the "end game" are closer to $50 million to $100 million. Each. Per Coin.

Based on how mining and supply will turn out, and this is easy to estimate, we will arrive at these numbers between 20 to 100 years from now. At whatever those numbers mean in the future, in dollar values, in the future, not in today's dollars.
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July 14, 2021, 01:02:47 PM

Currently 31 degrees outside, 26 degrees inside, just great, even the cats are too hot to do anything.

Jh... Its like a Chicken in the Oven. Cant wait for cooler times, when it rains now it is a blessing as it cools down the air by alot and a person can finally sleep lol
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July 14, 2021, 01:10:31 PM

This summer will be remembered for a long time.

Ok..... I will bite.

Why?


As a summer of despair before an autumn/winter of joy. A bit like 2013 probably.
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July 14, 2021, 01:44:53 PM

Hmm, A bart plus other moves with some similarity.

Is the market back to be manipulated by the same shitheads that were haunting Bitmex. Remember when Bitmex run into trouble and the Barts stopped. All very suspect.

15min Bitstamp chart

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BTW Many modern Tractors are able to run on Bio Diesel

These dont need Bitcoin or FIAT Cheesy

If they decide to not work anymore everyone is going to be hungry and Bitcoin or Fiat will be totaly worthless
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Just don't forget these words by Hal and you all will be good.

"With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million."
Hal was a smart guy, but he arrived at that number through faulty economic reasoning.

Well no economics was involved.. he just did the math and it's correct.
He literally said he thought the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world.  
Which is nonsense.  It is not because something is being expressed in a unit, that that unit needs to expand to whatever is being measured.  For example, let's say I measure the length of my furniture by comparing to the length of my thumb.  Why would there then need to be as many of my thumbs as there is furniture in the world?  If that sounds strange or weird, that is because it is weird and nonsensical.
Money is just an asset class on its own, which takes up a certain portion of total wealth in the world.

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I like bullish BTC price predictions as much as the next guy, but if we just switch off our critical thinking whenever somebody says something nice about bitcoin, we are more of a religion or cult than anything else.  Which is not needed imo, as the realistic scenario for bitcoin holds plenty of upside and promise.
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July 14, 2021, 02:51:50 PM

He just did same napkin math. And now he's in cold storage. Literally.

I'd rather use inches than thumbs, but most of the rest of the world uses centimeters. Tongue (I'm just joking eh.)
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I like bullish BTC price predictions as much as the next guy, but if we just switch off our critical thinking whenever somebody says something nice about bitcoin, we are more of a religion or cult than anything else.  Which is not needed imo, as the realistic scenario for bitcoin holds plenty of upside and promise.
You hit the nail right on the head I find that supporters of Bitcoin are too quick to believe something just because its saying something positive about Bitcoin. Most predictions that people say are not accurate and have no evidence to back up their prediction other than just a gut feeling. You deserve more merit for shining a light on that mental flaw that the Bitcoin community seems to have.
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