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The world is starting to realize the safe haven purpose of Bitcoin.

... write a list down of Russian billionaires who just had assets/accounts frozen

... and then write a list down of all the ones that didn't but saw what happened

... and then a list of all those non-Russian but know any of these people well enough to think ... wtf?
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I was sad and afraid at the same time because I am down a lot. If BTC falls to $25K, I would hammer my balls and sleep.

you need the Titanium Plate Treatment tm. twice a day i believe. very relaxing. worked great for bob.
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I was sad and afraid at the same time because I am down a lot. If BTC falls to $25K, I would hammer my balls and sleep.

you need the Titanium Plate Treatment tm. twice a day i believe. very relaxing. worked great for bob.


Yeah, it made him move onto something far more relaxing! Smiley
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I was sad and afraid at the same time because I am down a lot. If BTC falls to $25K, I would hammer my balls and sleep.

you need the Titanium Plate Treatment tm. twice a day i believe. very relaxing. worked great for bob.

Yeah WTF is the titanium plate treatment?  I have a few ideas but do not know what bob did.
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Turkey closes Bosphorus Straits

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“When Turkey is not a belligerent in the conflict, it has the authority to restrict the passage of the warring states’ warships across the straits. If the warship is returning to its base in the Black Sea, the passage is not closed. We adhere to the Montreux rules. All governments, riparian and non-riparian, were warned not to send warships across the straits.”
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/02/turkey-closes-the-dardanelles-and-bosphorus-to-warships/

Why this is important.

It basically turns the Black Sea into a lake and prevents Russian warships from accessing the Mediterranean Sea.
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...huh   Its important to notice the date and time. This has been removed from the website...RIA is a state owned media outlet.

https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html


https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

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The offensive of Russia and the new world
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A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land. Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.
The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. And in the event of the consolidation of the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine, its return to Russia would become completely impossible - it would have to fight for it with the Atlantic bloc. Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the alliance with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Russian-Ukrainian negotiations - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022
Yesterday, 18:25
Russia formed a delegation for negotiations with Ukraine
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kyiv? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.
Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation - Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022
Yesterday, 18:23
Russia agreed to Ukraine to organize negotiations, Peskov said
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
Flags of the European Union in the building of the Council of Europe in Brussels - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022 But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence, not to mention the fact that they are trying to force a break with China in the same way on Europe. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world. China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
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the evening wall report

Just about all major indexes tumbled against bitcoin today as the war in Ukraine continues. Bitcoin rose 18.11% against the US Dollar on late session heavy trading and is currently trading around $43.5kish. Continued momentum is probable as shockwaves will likely reverberate throughout legacy financial markets this week.


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Today, Marty Bent released his 2 hour+ Tales from the Crypt podcast interview with Paul London, and London makes some good points regarding how both the motivations of Russia and the likely outcome of the USA's seeming heavy-handed-ness with financial sanctions may end up causing some acceleration of the dollar demise that comes faster than anticipated.  

London also describes that some of Russia's most recent missile technology developments that the USA denies , but ends up painting the USA in pretty handicapped position when it comes to playing any kind of nuclear card or any kind of direct-combat game with Russia.

Of course, since this is a Tales from the Crypt podcast there ends up being wee bit of a bitcoin angle to the discussion (at the end), even though London does not seems to be very bullish ab out bitcoin's role or likely fate.  London seems to have some beliefs that governments have an ability to regulate Bitcoin into oblivion, so maybe London's current errors in thinking causes him to be more of a pre-coiner rather than a no-coiner? perhaps?  perhaps?


Your linkey is brokey. Wink

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i think/hope the main talking dude is wrong in his assessment of their capabilities.
probably just scaremongering, imho.
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Today, Marty Bent released his 2 hour+ Tales from the Crypt podcast interview with Paul London, and London makes some good points regarding how both the motivations of Russia and the likely outcome of the USA's seeming heavy-handed-ness with financial sanctions may end up causing some acceleration of the dollar demise that comes faster than anticipated.  

London also describes that some of Russia's most recent missile technology developments that the USA denies , but ends up painting the USA in pretty handicapped position when it comes to playing any kind of nuclear card or any kind of direct-combat game with Russia.

Of course, since this is a Tales from the Crypt podcast there ends up being wee bit of a bitcoin angle to the discussion (at the end), even though London does not seems to be very bullish ab out bitcoin's role or likely fate.  London seems to have some beliefs that governments have an ability to regulate Bitcoin into oblivion, so maybe London's current errors in thinking causes him to be more of a pre-coiner rather than a no-coiner? perhaps?  perhaps?


Your linkey is brokey. Wink

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https://overcast.fm/+KiHpcj93s



i think/hope the main talking dude is wrong in his assessment of their capabilities.
probably just scaremongering, imho.

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...huh   Its important to notice the date and time. This has been removed from the website...RIA is a state owned media outlet.

https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html


https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

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08:00 02/26/2022 (updated: 08:01 02/26/2022)
 
The offensive of Russia and the new world
View of the center of Kyiv. February 25, 2022 - RIA Novosti, 1920, 02/26/2022
© REUTERS / Valentyn Ogirenko
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A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land. Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.
The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. And in the event of the consolidation of the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine, its return to Russia would become completely impossible - it would have to fight for it with the Atlantic bloc. Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the alliance with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Russian-Ukrainian negotiations - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022
Yesterday, 18:25
Russia formed a delegation for negotiations with Ukraine
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kyiv? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.
Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation - Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022
Yesterday, 18:23
Russia agreed to Ukraine to organize negotiations, Peskov said
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
Flags of the European Union in the building of the Council of Europe in Brussels - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022 But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence, not to mention the fact that they are trying to force a break with China in the same way on Europe. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world. China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

They are really delusional AF!! Cheesy Cheesy ,, So.!! I guess.. Lock every russian into a mental asylum?? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Cool  Cool
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Today, Marty Bent released his 2 hour+ Tales from the Crypt podcast interview with Paul London, and London makes some good points regarding how both the motivations of Russia and the likely outcome of the USA's seeming heavy-handed-ness with financial sanctions may end up causing some acceleration of the dollar demise that comes faster than anticipated.  

London also describes that some of Russia's most recent missile technology developments that the USA denies , but ends up painting the USA in pretty handicapped position when it comes to playing any kind of nuclear card or any kind of direct-combat game with Russia.

Of course, since this is a Tales from the Crypt podcast there ends up being wee bit of a bitcoin angle to the discussion (at the end), even though London does not seems to be very bullish ab out bitcoin's role or likely fate.  London seems to have some beliefs that governments have an ability to regulate Bitcoin into oblivion, so maybe London's current errors in thinking causes him to be more of a pre-coiner rather than a no-coiner? perhaps?  perhaps?


Your linkey is brokey. Wink

dis works
https://overcast.fm/+KiHpcj93s

Thanks... I fixed it in the original... It looks like I double pasted, rather than single pasted...

Two days ago a guy was talking about BTC and he said he waiting for buying BTC at $25K. I was sad and afraid at the same time because I am down a lot. If BTC falls to $25K, I would hammer my balls and sleep.
Hey, I am that guy and I am somewhat still sticking to my ideal plan.  Smiley
Never said it's going to be $25k in 2 days. Enjoy the pump.

If you never said you are waiting to buy BTC at $25K, You are not that guy. Also, I didn't mean that someone said BTC will going to be $25K in two days.



To attempt to be more accurate, ImThour had a chart in which the highest price point on the line was $20k, and then it sloped down to the right from there, and he said that bitcoin prices need to touch such line before being ready to go up... so the reality of the matter is that his hopes were unrealistic as fuck, and surely going straight down to $25k would have been more realistic than what he was asserting is necessary for BTC prices.

Here's my responsive post to that dumbass ill-informed chart...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg59341208#msg59341208

Another thing is that guys like ImThour are frequently inadequately prepared for UP, and hopefully not too many innocent people get trapped into their kind of dumbass gambling ways of thinking about such an asymmetrically upside bet such as bitcoin.. Many of us know that bitcoin represents a once in a life time kind of investment opportunity, so it seems quite short-sighted and contrary to better financial judgement for guys to be getting screwed into dumb ways of thinking about perhaps saving a few dollars, perhaps?  perhaps?  and then nothing even close to their anticipated dip buying price even comes close to happening.

What if you don't buy any BTC because you are waiting for a dip (or some kind of supposed value price) or you buy way too little BTC because of the same dumbass reasons or your mind is too screwed up and always thinking about preparing for dips that might happen, then such guys are stuck without any BTC or with way fewer BTC than they would have otherwise had with a bit more of a ongoing proactivism in the BTC accumulating practices such as DCAing on a regular basis (buy every week no matter what is good).. and just making sure that they are ongoingly preparing for up.. rather than ongoingly thinking about (psychological damages) BTC price downs that may or may not happen..
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They are really delusional AF!! Cheesy Cheesy ,, So.!! I guess.. Lock every russian into a mental asylum?? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Cool  Cool

Nah man! You all alone there! No recruiting buddies in the rubber rooms!!!
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They are really delusional AF!! Cheesy Cheesy ,, So.!! I guess.. Lock every russian into a mental asylum?? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Cool  Cool

Nah man! You all alone there! No recruiting buddies in the rubber rooms!!!



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Political map of Russia:
 46 oblasts, 22 republics, 9 krais, 4 autonomous okrugs, 3 federal cities, 1 autonomous oblast


Total of 85 ! So, we (the West) should create 85 independent countries, then we make out of them a Russian Union like the European Union, and then we do something like Shengen with them, and make them have 85 different presidents. Then they should have their own NATO group with 85 different veto votes that they can do and that group should be under the oversight of NATO and NATO to be under the oversight of that group, after they both have the same view, laws and values.  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy .. LAMO!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

*edit(): I do believe russians don't have the words "veto" and "vote" in their dictionaries. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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March 01, 2022, 02:22:31 AM

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They are really delusional AF!! Cheesy Cheesy ,, So.!! I guess.. Lock every russian into a mental asylum?? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Cool  Cool

Nah man! You all alone there! No recruiting buddies in the rubber rooms!!!



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Political map of Russia:
 46 oblasts, 22 republics, 9 krais, 4 autonomous okrugs, 3 federal cities, 1 autonomous oblast


Total of 85 ! So, we (the West) should create 85 independent countries, then we make out of them a Russian Union like the European Union, and then we do something like Shengen with them, and make them have 85 different presidents. Then they should have their own NATO group with 85 different veto votes that they can do and that group should be under the oversight of NATO and NATO to be under the oversight of that group, after they both have the same view, laws and values.  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy .. LAMO!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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