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Bitcoin and Models
I have created 3 models using Power Law and DPC Model whose data was provided to me by @DeFi_initiate.

This below chart contains the prediction of all these models (2021-2026):
1. Power Law
2. DPC Model
3. AVGPD - Average of Power Law and DPC Model
4. AVGD2 - Average of DPC Model and AVGPD
5. AVGALL - Average of Power Law, DPC Model, AVGPD and AVGD2.

Lowest BTC Price by All these Models for 2022-2026:
Power Law: $35,099
DPC: $18,334
AVGPD: $33,123
AVGD2: $25,944
AVGALL: $31,382

Highest BTC Price by All these Models for 2022-2026:
Power Law: $217,776
DPC: $389,245
AVGPD: $267,594
AVGD2: $328,420
AVGALL: $282,801



These models seem like bullshit for me. If we really got the TOP in November 2021 for this 4years cycle (so only X3.5 of the 2017 ATH), why we should make more (X5 X6) as written in your models on the next one?

Look like just another casino game prediction.



Not necessarily. If 69K is/was THE top, it is still more than 20X from the bottom (X22.25 for accuracy).
Therefore, if the bottom was (or would be in case of a double bottom) 29K (roughly), then even a half of prior rise (from the bottom) is 11.1X or $321K

TL;DR It's possible if you count from the bottom, not from the top.

Got it, but from my opinion not relevant. Seems logical to dip less (prorata) if we don't top so high (only x3.5 2017 -> 2021). Can be a possibility to have less volatility (not going to -80/-85% dip from the top), but at the same time no x10 / x20 from previous ATH to the new one. Big range. Boring. Less Blood. Less Lambo.

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Much as we like screen captures (which are OK), we like links a lot more.

I'd like to know exactly how they "seized" the bitcoin. Trudeau set up a successful 51% attack? Not likely. Perhaps replies explain this, perhaps not. Without a link, we will not know.

My guess is  the retards used an exchange address.

I was hoping for an answer from the OP himself, possibly after he'd done some research on twitter ;-)
Unfortunately, said individual was busy concocting multiple price models for us.

But yes, I agree that's the most likely explanation.

I can imagine the treasurer trucker searching "crypto" while dreaming of magical internet money donations or something like that, and falling into the hands of the first exchange to be listed by google.
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A mostly sideways day as bitcoin slips another point today, rallying back late in the session to close at $39,260.70   Still trading within a range on moderate volume.

steady on and see how the market reacts tomorrow        tho i dont give a rats ass what is said really...still cant have my coins  




nothing to see here  Shocked   long flats of span B with price shadowing span A
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butting up against that 40k resistance as this daily twist starts...something will give soon im thinking
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Much as we like screen captures (which are OK), we like links a lot more.

I'd like to know exactly how they "seized" the bitcoin. Trudeau set up a successful 51% attack? Not likely. Perhaps replies explain this, perhaps not. Without a link, we will not know.

My guess is  the retards used an exchange address.

I was hoping for an answer from the OP himself, possibly after he'd done some research on twitter ;-)
Unfortunately, said individual was busy concocting multiple price models for us.

But yes, I agree that's the most likely explanation.

I can imagine the treasurer trucker searching "crypto" while dreaming of magical internet money donations or something like that, and falling into the hands of the first exchange to be listed by google.

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Although 14.6 bitcoin, which was worth around $630,000 then, were distributed to the truckers by then, the police came to NobodyCaribou’s home on Feb. 28 and took 0.28 bitcoin (worth about $15,000), stored in a wallet NobodyCaribou co-controlled with Tamara Lich and Chris Barber, members of a trucker-affiliated nonprofit who were previously arrested. According to court documents, NobodyCaribou claimed he was about to transfer the funds to an escrow agent when police compelled him to surrender his wallet under a search warrant.

The seizure of a censorship-resistant digital asset might sound odd at first, but all it’s referring to is a string of 12 words known as a seed phrase. If not held on a centralized crypto exchange like Coinbase, Bitcoin is self-custodial by design, which means one can only access their bitcoin if they type those 12 words in an exact order. According to NobodyCaribou, police compelled him to reveal his seed phrase.
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“I wanted to give the bitcoin to truckers. A court order was issued for the bitcoin that had not yet been distributed, so regardless of what I ‘want,’ I’m not going to break the law and get arrested,” NobodyCaribou told Motherboard. “The basis for the claim on those funds is to be determined by courts. Until then, they are safely held in escrow.”
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgmnpd/the-freedom-convoy-bitcoin-donations-have-been-frozen-and-seized

Looks like someone acting as an escrow got a visit from your friendly police
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Sad.


Much as we like screen captures (which are OK), we like links a lot more.

I'd like to know exactly how they "seized" the bitcoin. Trudeau set up a successful 51% attack? Not likely. Perhaps replies explain this, perhaps not. Without a link, we will not know.

My guess is  the retards used an exchange address.

I was hoping for an answer from the OP himself, possibly after he'd done some research on twitter ;-)
Unfortunately, said individual was busy concocting multiple price models for us.

But yes, I agree that's the most likely explanation.

I can imagine the treasurer trucker searching "crypto" while dreaming of magical internet money donations or something like that, and falling into the hands of the first exchange to be listed by google.

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Although 14.6 bitcoin, which was worth around $630,000 then, were distributed to the truckers by then, the police came to NobodyCaribou’s home on Feb. 28 and took 0.28 bitcoin (worth about $15,000), stored in a wallet NobodyCaribou co-controlled with Tamara Lich and Chris Barber, members of a trucker-affiliated nonprofit who were previously arrested. According to court documents, NobodyCaribou claimed he was about to transfer the funds to an escrow agent when police compelled him to surrender his wallet under a search warrant.

The seizure of a censorship-resistant digital asset might sound odd at first, but all it’s referring to is a string of 12 words known as a seed phrase. If not held on a centralized crypto exchange like Coinbase, Bitcoin is self-custodial by design, which means one can only access their bitcoin if they type those 12 words in an exact order. According to NobodyCaribou, police compelled him to reveal his seed phrase.
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“I wanted to give the bitcoin to truckers. A court order was issued for the bitcoin that had not yet been distributed, so regardless of what I ‘want,’ I’m not going to break the law and get arrested,” NobodyCaribou told Motherboard. “The basis for the claim on those funds is to be determined by courts. Until then, they are safely held in escrow.”
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgmnpd/the-freedom-convoy-bitcoin-donations-have-been-frozen-and-seized

Looks like someone acting as an escrow got a visit from your friendly police

Guys obviously a moron just by looking at the fees they paid on the wallets so no surprise he didn't take any precautions and rolled over.
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No. Just market noise according to my models. It's cliche to say that there's nothing to see here, but sometimes a cliche is appropriate.
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No. Just market noise according to my models. It's cliche to say that there's nothing to see here, but sometimes a cliche is appropriate.


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No. Just market noise according to my models. It's cliche to say that there's nothing to see here, but sometimes a cliche is appropriate.

Perfect, that's exactly the type of sciences and maths we need in this situation. Thank you for your service.
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Much as we like screen captures (which are OK), we like links a lot more.

I'd like to know exactly how they "seized" the bitcoin. Trudeau set up a successful 51% attack? Not likely. Perhaps replies explain this, perhaps not. Without a link, we will not know.

My guess is  the retards used an exchange address.

I was hoping for an answer from the OP himself, possibly after he'd done some research on twitter ;-)
Unfortunately, said individual was busy concocting multiple price models for us.

But yes, I agree that's the most likely explanation.

I can imagine the treasurer trucker searching "crypto" while dreaming of magical internet money donations or something like that, and falling into the hands of the first exchange to be listed by google.

Not that we can really accept that ImThour is attempting to grapple with bitcoin related matters in any kind of fair, reasonable or even factually representative way... so he is not exactly helping his credibility with this vague nonsense, and of course, mistakes were made in the some of the Canadian usages of bitcoins in the trucker matter.. including that exchanges end up having to serve some of governmental wishes and demands.. and just get caught up in places that they likely do not want to be.

Surely, there are several ways to figure out ways to get the value from people donating to truckers, and hoping to preserve privacy while achieving the mission to transfer value when the powers that be want to interfere with those kinds of capabilities including interfering with rights that people have to speak and to associate with each other and to protest the government for the redress of grievances.  Yes, there are differences of opinions about those rights and about whether some people might have ended up losing value without due process and is that fair to them?

I am not saying that I know the answers.. but when some of the bitcoin addresses have been identified as being problematic addresses and blacklisted then there can be additional obstacles towards finding people to accept transactions from the addresses - especially exchanges are going to have responsibilities if the government has sufficiently notified the exchanges regarding various addresses that they have deemed to be problematic.. fair? hard to know without knowing all of the facts...

I am thinking that sometimes maybe even truckers might get scared to receive value from potentially known addresses.. and maybe sometimes we might be back to physical cash in our transactions.. and leaving some of the dealing with flagged addresses up to experts.. who wants to try to move bitcoin from flagged addresses?  There might be some folks who might be willing to "deal with" those matters.. ..

It may also be the case that physical cash can serve short-term decent ways to distribute value that had been in the flagged bitcoin addresses.. even though part of the objective to transact in bitcoin might have been to teach some of the truckers or the various activists about using bitcoin too, but if the addresses have been flagged, then the truckers are going to end up getting scared to deal with bitcoin.. but if the truckers/protesters were being reimbursed for some of their protest-related expenses and wanting to stay anonymous. .then cash might also serve some purposes to supplement the reaching the distribution goals and allowing the use of a value vehicle that is recognized and can be used (pretty damned liquid, I mean).
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Well, that was short but sweet.



My god, even the bitcoin roller coaster guy has become infested with that NFT bullshit.
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Bitcoin and Models
I have created 3 models using Power Law and DPC Model whose data was provided to me by @DeFi_initiate.

This below chart contains the prediction of all these models (2021-2026):
1. Power Law
2. DPC Model
3. AVGPD - Average of Power Law and DPC Model
4. AVGD2 - Average of DPC Model and AVGPD
5. AVGALL - Average of Power Law, DPC Model, AVGPD and AVGD2.

Lowest BTC Price by All these Models for 2022-2026:
Power Law: $35,099
DPC: $18,334
AVGPD: $33,123
AVGD2: $25,944
AVGALL: $31,382

Highest BTC Price by All these Models for 2022-2026:
Power Law: $217,776
DPC: $389,245
AVGPD: $267,594
AVGD2: $328,420
AVGALL: $282,801



That's nice. It looks like there will be a great opportunity to BTFD on 01/01/2023. Got to make sure I load Kraken with a good amount of funny money (a.k.a. fiat) before then.

Looks to me like the listed models (which are two rather than three and than figuring out if there is better data by averaging the averages of the models) are retarded, and you are retarded too, AlcoHoDL .. to follow such consensus forming "down before up" nonsense models... or the rendition of such models by someone who seems to be filled with persistent and ongoing DOWNity hopenium and to have few clues about other variations of models that actually exist in bitcoinlandia.... #nohomo

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I appreciate that you AlcoHoDL were likely toying with such retarded "enlightened-lackening" wishenings, rather than really taking such nonsense seriously...

My opening phrase says it all. "That's nice." as in "That's nice, you fucking beartard." Can this even be considered to be anything other than a joke? Frankly, considering that my profit/loss threshold currently stands at about $1800, I don't even care much if it drops to $20k or even less. But I'm pretty sure that it won't.



Models, models everywhere! One can construct a model that fits a specific narrative -- any narrative. So, beartards tend to build beartard models, while bulls tend to build bullish models. Which tells us one thing: never trust any model you come across in the intertoobz. Personally, I never blindly trust a model. Any model. The only "model" I take seriously, is Bitcoin's Halving 4-year cycle. Supply is cut in half every four years. There's no need to know anything more that this, to know that its price will rise. The 200-Week MA confirms this, as well as the WMAs below it, down to the 169-Week MA, as Phil_S has shown (the less weeks in a monotonically increasing MA indicator, the steadier the price appreciation over time). MA indicators are not models, but one can extrapolate from them (esp. the longer-horizon ones, such at the 200-Week MA) and get a pretty good estimate of what's coming. That's more than enough for me. Anything short-term is Crystal Ball material, and I treat it as such.

Back to ImThour's self-fulfilling predictors, false as they may be, if they make me dream of BTFD at a price under $20k, so be it. As much as I'd hate for the price to drop so low, and I don't believe it will, I'd take that opportunity to buy cheap coins without hesitation. For long-term HoDLers like us, either way it goes in the short term is a win-win. Low increases our stash, high increases our profits. And the long-term trend is virtually guaranteed UPpity. What's there not to like?
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China or Elon shouldn't matter any more... bitcoin is now way over the effects of a single person or or a single country.
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China or Elon shouldn't matter any more... bitcoin is now way over the effects of a single person or or a single country.

Unless that country is Russia or person is Putin

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My opening phrase says it all. "That's nice." as in "That's nice, you fucking beartard." Can this even be considered to be anything other than a joke? Frankly, considering that my profit/loss threshold currently stands at about $1800, I don't even care much if it drops to $20k or even less. But I'm pretty sure that it won't.

I suppose that we are both having a bit of fun here with some of the extremes of the goofball, yet sometimes we might need to clarify because there are likely some people who might end up believing that his assertions might be reasonable... and so it does not hurt sometimes that we might want to put out some numbers to make sure we keep our grip upon reality.

We have already discussed that if there were some kind of extreme dip right now, we might be able to get down to the 200-week moving average, which is currently approaching $20.5k, but even if we look at how much support has been holding, it seems as if it would take quite a bit of effort to even get down that far... never say never, but geez... let me see $33k get breached first, then $28.6k, and then lower $20ks would then become possible.. so there are a few thresholds to get below first.

Furthermore, we had a 56% correction from $64,895 down to $28,600 that took place in May, June, July.. and then more recently we got a 52% correction down from $69k to $32,951, so far.. .these correction come after a price appreciation that might have been 7x at best.. and surely we might have to consider how long it has taken such 7x to take place... including whether measuring from the bottom, middle or top.. of various potentially representative price points that played out between December 2017 and September 2020.. in order to figure out what would be a potentially representative jumping off price point... and it seems hardly obvious that we even have greater than 50% odds that we will have any kind of further down from here.. this might be the last day to get BTC below $40k and such a UPpity scenario seems to be more likely than the conglomeration of BTC price models that ImThour has been throwing out there while hoping that something might stick.. perhaps? perhaps?



Models, models everywhere! One can construct a model that fits a specific narrative -- any narrative. So, beartards tend to build beartard models, while bulls tend to build bullish models. Which tells us one thing: never trust any model you come across in the intertoobz.

well maybe... perhaps take the models with a grain of salt, even though it seems that some models give us better depictions of reality as compared with other models.... and in that regard, I think that bull models do tend to do better.. at least directionally to help us to figure out where we are, based on where we have been and where we might well be going.

Personally, I never blindly trust a model. Any model. The only "model" I take seriously, is Bitcoin's Halving 4-year cycle. Supply is cut in half every four years. There's no need to know anything more that this, to know that its price will rise.

Sorry to say.. you do know more than that... and so in that regard.. yeah.. directionally we know which way we are likely going, even if we are not sure about how far we are going to go and how long it is going to take.. but other than that.. we have pretty decent ideas about directionally which way we are going and which models point that out to us better than other models..

The 200-Week MA confirms this, as well as the WMAs below it, down to the 169-Week MA, as Phil_S has shown (the less weeks in a monotonically increasing MA indicator, the steadier the price appreciation over time). MA indicators are not models, but one can extrapolate from them (esp. the longer-horizon ones, such at the 200-Week MA) and get a pretty good estimate of what's coming. That's more than enough for me. Anything short-term is Crystal Ball material, and I treat it as such.

Fair enough.. we are thinking similarly.. but making our assertions a wee bit differently.. and in the end.. we have decent ideas about the ongoing direction.

Back to ImThour's self-fulfilling predictors, false as they may be, if they make me dream of BTFD at a price under $20k, so be it.

Long shot.. but it is possible that it could happen.. but not too good to be assiging too high of odds to such fantasies.. especially since we still seem to be in a bull market...

Now, if we were in a bear market, then surely touching the 200-week moving average which is currently at $20.5k or even wicking below it quickly would have a wee bit higher odds, but currently, the odds seem to be quite a long shot.. 10% might even be charitable... but if we were to get below $33k and then below $28.6k and then the odds would start to become higher than 10%.. but currently, I probably would not put anything greater than 2% or 5% on such a gamble.. even though I understand that reasonable minds can assess these matters differently regarding the assignment of odds... including how much brainpower or how much typing power should go into such long shot scenarios.

As much as I'd hate for the price to drop so low, and I don't believe it will, I'd take that opportunity to buy cheap coins without hesitation. For long-term HoDLers like us, either way it goes in the short term is a win-win.

win/win?  I am not sure.  I would really hate it.. but surely, I still have buy orders going down that far...and I would hate it all the way if any of those got filled below $33k... even though I still am not prepared to rest assured that our current $32,951 bottom is in until we spend at least a day above $46k and maybe even I am not really going to rest assured about the $32,951 bottom being in until we spend a day above $50k...that's my tentative concentration points.. and fucking sad all the way down I would be while buying up a few coins just to make my lil selfie feel less bad and also I would have to end up reassessing that we are likely not in a bullmarket anymore.. would not feel like any kind of win for me.. even though financially and psychologically I am prepared for extremes.. even extremes that I do not want to happen and even extremes that I consider to be quite unlikely to happen... such as a wicking down or below the current 200-week moving average.

Low increases our stash, high increases our profits. And the long-term trend is virtually guaranteed UPpity. What's there not to like?

Lot's of weak hands would be shaken for sure.. and maybe some of the shitcoins might end up getting purged.. but I still would not like it.. ... .. I might even need to make some further adjustments to my buy schedule if we go below $30k.. would not be fun.. even though I might just keep it the way I have it.. still would not be fun... ... gosh going down below $30k.. might even trigger a kind of delayed bull market.. but I am not sure.. could kind of screw some investment thesis up, and I suppose a more likely rationale to justify fueling such would be the purging of shitcoin froth.... but still.. just does not seem that any further down is actually necessary in order to fuel further purging of shitcoin froth.. ...

sorry to be crying in my milk before any such thing happens.. but really does not seem good to me.. and I think that it is also a pretty big long shot especially for anyone expecting sub $30k coins.. we will see.  we will see.
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No. Just market noise according to my models. It's cliche to say that there's nothing to see here, but sometimes a cliche is appropriate.


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