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where live monkey brain



Wait..... what?





I might have drunk snake blood and swallowed a beating snake heart in Thailand once......... honestly, I cannot really remember, I was that drunk, but in the morning, I had these flashbacks.....


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https://youtu.be/vbbhr4uTsfI


Guy seems rational enough, decent take, Covid PTSD?, could well be (hope so)


Liked this quote from him, "Politics likes to fill the vacuum of scientific uncertainty"


And also , the top comment "I can’t believe it’s Monkeypox season already!    Everyone just got their Ukraine decorations up!!!"

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You know what the thing is with Monkeypox? Its due to climate change and the rising temperatures that fleas and other parasite like bugs are way more active than usual... That is what started the pleague in 1660s. They are brought alot by migration from Africa and Middle east.
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I am not really against your sentiment wagmi... beat on shitcoins whenever and wherever possible.. when in doubt bash a shitcoin; however, I find it problematic to proclaim bitcoin to be 100% detached from shitcoins.,. especially since bitcoin likely increasingly touches all segments of society and the various markets, including that a large number of shitcoin's admittedly hitch their wagons to bitcoin.
Yes!
I really try to be fair because we need to research properly about Altcoins before calling an Altcoin as Shitcoin.

Maybe I am contradicting myself, but i like to call them a shitcoin first before giving any benefit of the doubt.
Sounds fair!
If you have evidence, it's good practice!



Even if you are "technically" correct, I doubt that being "fair" is the right word choice.  There have been too many shitcoins using their shit for shitty reasons.. so it seems to me that they are starting from a deficit by starting such a project and better fucking explain what is the purpose exactly.. .. so yeah in the end we may well be being "fair" but at the same time,  lots of crap has been going on in various aspects of shitcoins, so I don't find any reason to first attribute guilt by association and let them dig their lil selfies out of the hole.. if they can.  That would be fair within our current context of shitcoin proliferation.. and the clear case for building on bitcoin.
Yes, we might get screwed by Shitcoins if we don't act swiftly. Shitcoin proliferation is a real issue.
Shitcoins are very similar to Putin somehow. Even if we are giving them the benefit of doubt, we might get screwed...
Maybe "precautionary but fair" is better suited.








About Bitcoin being detached from Shitcoins, we have pro and con argumentes, see below, but technically, we need to say Bitcoin is 100% independent.

I am not going to say it.

You can say it if you like, and maybe I will react in the future or maybe just let it slide.. .. ?
Maybe we will see more arguments when a different Shitcoin is collapsing next time?



however, I find it problematic to proclaim bitcoin to be 100% detached from shitcoins.,. especially since bitcoin likely increasingly touches all segments of society and the various markets, including that a large number of shitcoin's admittedly hitch their wagons to bitcoin.
Your point is very valid, and it's hard to make a quantitative assessment based on it.
But also, it is important to say, an appropriate market reaction would be if Terra Luna crashes, to make Bitcoin's price rise!
Because why?
Because Terra Luna or Terra Luna USD holders will flee out of Terra Luna or Terra Luna USD and will buy OFCOURSE BTC.
So, a crash of Terra Luna or Terra Luna USD should create more demand for Bitcoin and send BTC's price up!

At leat it would be a totally normal market mechanism and we should support it.

We are not going to necessarily know the short-term fall out one direction or another with the various relationships between shitcoins and bitcoin, and surely sometimes such topics might be somewhat relevant in this thread.... as long as we do not devolve into too much shitcoin discussion that ends up getting us too far off topic...

but yeah sometimes we might make assessments regarding where bitcoin's price is at, how we got here and where we might be going that is partially based on some discussions of what's going on in shitcoinlandia... If we get too focused on talking about shitcoinlandia, then guys (and gal) here are likely going to get frustrated with bringing that kind of shitcoin talk to this thread.. even if it might be somewhat relevant, many of us ONLY have so much tolerance for such deviance that might draw us into shitcoin comparisons rather than focusing on king daddy and appreciating matters from the reality that king daddy is leading this shit - and let's try mostly to keep our eyes on the prize if we can continue to muster such.
For your argument we can also say, Terra Luna held lots of BTC.
And caused a significant drop by selling it.






But instead, people are selling all sorts of coins because of FEAR. Also Bitcoin and Bitcoin isn't responsible and more important, Bitcoin is technically 100% independent.

It needs A LOT more education for people and we, as HODLers, should definitely advocate for it.

What else is new?

It's not like the first time that we end up seeing all kinds of misinformation out in the real world, and we talk about those various kinds of dynamics on a regular basis in this thread.. there is the 80/20 Pareto distribution rule too.. you know about that, right?  
No, I didn't hear from it, I'm from Germany.  Smiley




Sure the Pareto distribution might not always apply exactly, but we are not necessarily going to expect that the masses know what is going on or even that our educational efforts will lead to changes in the 80/20 rule, and

I am not even suggesting not to do anything because each of us can play our own part in terms of attempting to spread good information, and you can start your own media company too that is focused on bitcoinmaximalism education..and sure, maybe you will make a difference to get more people educated about bitcoin and better able to understand the difference between bitcoin and shitcoins and to realize that many times shitcoin promoters (who seem to have way more money to spend on those kinds of promotions) are ongoingly actively engaged in ways to naysay bitcoin and to promote their own shit.
Shitcoin promoter have huge cash on hand, bro.

But yes, we can and we should at least try.  Smiley
Also Satoshi wasn't sure if his time for building BTC is wasted or not.
And he had success.  Smiley



Shitcoiners are just profiteering off of Bitcoin by linking Bitcoin and Altcoins.  Cheesy

Exactly.  You admit it.
It was my point, it was not about admitting it.
Shitcoiners are known for a certain degree of shenanigans.  Cheesy

ok.. we agree.. even if you don't want to admit it... or go along with my rhetorical framing(s).
I agree to your discoveries.   Smiley
Cheesy Cheesy






We The royal we need to educate here how Bitcoin and Altcoins are 100% not linked.  Smiley

You seem to have meant the royal we... therefore, for funzies, I fixed it for you.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I meant everyone who is advocating for a strong BTC.  Cheesy Cheesy
We, all HODLers.  Cheesy

Well go forth and multiply, then ... . if you must..
Isn't it a goal for HODLers?  Wink



I might join later if it looks like you are making progress including if there might be lambos, hookers and blow involved..not necessarily in that order.
I try to make progress but I only would like Lambo from your list.
So, only potentially Lambo for when you join later.  Smiley

*only*  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

HODLer's problems...  Wink
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I am just going to leave this here.....


https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-does-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-vaccine-contain-animal-dna#:~:text=The%20AstraZeneca%20vaccine%20uses%20a,it%20to%20grow%20in%20humans.

(apparently several of the vaccines "use chimp")

I do not know what to make of it just yet......my first thought is......... it can't be, please do not let it be..... surely it isn't.......


Lets just hope this monkeypox thing is "just a coincidence"


One horrifying result from this will be the lives lost because of the trust lost in ACTUAL healthcare and science.  For example.  An MRNA drug.  These kinds of drugs have the potential to do wonderful things for man.  Possibly cure cancer, for example.  And yet an enormous percent of people will go to their graves never taking another vaccine because of what happened the last few years.  And the people hooting about how they deserve to die because of not "trusting science" are just WRONG.


Calm down.


I was feeling QUITE calm until I read those condescending words.  That's OK.  I am calm again now.

But I also stand by my point which is we rolled the dice with an experimental drug, and used coercive means to push it and that will do damage to the reputations of science, healthcare and government for a whole generation.  How much damage?  Well that remains to be seen.

I certainly hope we do not see people pushing for us to get down a similar path with Monkey Pox as we did with Covid.  But if we do, just watch.  The push back is going to be STRONG. And there you will see the seeds of mistrust beginning to bloom in the population.  How bad will it be?  Hard to say.  We have to wait and see.
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https://youtu.be/vbbhr4uTsfI


Guy seems rational enough, decent take, Covid PTSD?, could well be (hope so)


Liked this quote from him, "Politics likes to fill the vacuum of scientific uncertainty"


And also , the top comment "I can’t believe it’s Monkeypox season already!    Everyone just got their Ukraine decorations up!!!"



I am glad to see there are still level heads out there in the world.  We might just REALLY need those folk as we move forward.  I hope to do my part.
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I am just going to leave this here.....


https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-does-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-vaccine-contain-animal-dna#:~:text=The%20AstraZeneca%20vaccine%20uses%20a,it%20to%20grow%20in%20humans.

(apparently several of the vaccines "use chimp")

I do not know what to make of it just yet......my first thought is......... it can't be, please do not let it be..... surely it isn't.......


Lets just hope this monkeypox thing is "just a coincidence"


One horrifying result from this will be the lives lost because of the trust lost in ACTUAL healthcare and science.  For example.  An MRNA drug.  These kinds of drugs have the potential to do wonderful things for man.  Possibly cure cancer, for example.  And yet an enormous percent of people will go to their graves never taking another vaccine because of what happened the last few years.  And the people hooting about how they deserve to die because of not "trusting science" are just WRONG.


Calm down.


I was feeling QUITE calm until I read those condescending words.  That's OK.  I am calm again now.

But I also stand by my point which is we rolled the dice with an experimental drug, and used coercive means to push it and that will do damage to the reputations of science, healthcare and government for a whole generation.  How much damage?  Well that remains to be seen.

I certainly hope we do not see people pushing for us to get down a similar path with Monkey Pox as we did with Covid.  But if we do, just watch.  The push back is going to be STRONG. And there you will see the seeds of mistrust beginning to bloom in the population.  How bad will it be?  Hard to say.  We have to wait and see.

not sure how you were calm...just re-read that post of yours that I partially quoted, omitting those parts.
...and there was nothing condescending in my reply...sometimes peeps just need to take it down a notch.
I am glad that you are over it, though.

I also think that they 'rolled the dice' to a degree, no question about that, so we are in agreement there, but as i said, our population was in a panic back then and the precious 'markets' were in a free-fall with some predicting an economic depression.

They also rolled the dice on the MMT theory, which turned out a bunch of hogwash, as pretty much everyone on this thread expected.
Alas, there is some sliver of normality of how economy responded to the increased cash outlay during relative goods scarcity.

However, if you tell me that it was all a conspiracy, then this is a road that you have to travel by yourself.
My rule is to not expect a conspiracy when it could be explained by rushing 'something' and/or incompetency.
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But instead, people are selling all sorts of coins because of FEAR. Also Bitcoin and Bitcoin isn't responsible and more important, Bitcoin is technically 100% independent.

It needs A LOT more education for people and we, as HODLers, should definitely advocate for it.

What else is new?

It's not like the first time that we end up seeing all kinds of misinformation out in the real world, and we talk about those various kinds of dynamics on a regular basis in this thread.. there is the 80/20 Pareto distribution rule too.. you know about that, right?  
No, I didn't hear from it, I'm from Germany.  Smiley

I get the sense that you still do not know what I am talking about when I refer to a Pareto distribution.

There are ideas that people like to argue in regards to Pareto distribution application that 20% of the guys bang 80% of the chicks... hahahahaha.. that might be a misapplication..

or another application might be that 80% of the people are going to blindly follow whatever dumb theory or idea without even questioning it, so only 20% of the people are smart enough or industrious enough to question matters.

those are Pareto distribution arguments... to say that it does not matter what we do, 80% of the people are dumb  or 80% of the people are never going to get ahead because they just follow the masses and do what everyone else does.  20% are telling the 80% what to do.  20% leaders and 80% followers.. maybe correct maybe not.. but a kind of ballpark idea in regards to what kinds of challenges are ahead when trying to bring change to human tendencies.

Sure, some people might be misapplying the Pareto distribution ideas and use those kinds of ideas to make bad and inaccurate arguments in bad contexts to say they (we) are part of the 20% not part of the 80%.. we are the movers and shakers, and the leaders and not the ones who blindly follow.  

Sometimes the claims might have some truth to them and sometimes they might be misapplying what is going on, and I was suggesting that even in bitcoin, there may well end up being ways to point out the existence Pareto distributions in regards to those who get it and those who do not...

Maybe we can claim that the bitcoin maximalists get it and the shitcoiners do not?  Perhaps?  perhaps?  .

But in regards to actual bitcoin adoption and the number of bitcoiners that exist in the world, we still only have like 1% or so world-wide adoption of bitcoin.. so there are still a lot more bitcoiners out there who do not yet know that they are bitcoiners, so they might be considered precoiners.. and they might not even know it.

Sure there might be some parts of the world with greater adoption of bitcoin as compared to other parts of the world, including that likely there is greater bitcoin adoption in some cities than in rural areas and likely more adoption in some cities as compared to other cities, too, but overall we still have pretty low distribution of bitcoin adoption if we are considering the world population as a whole..  

Also, we might have folks who are more educated than others, and some folks who are richer than others and some folks who have more social status or social capital than others, but some of those factors might not end up motivating people to become bitcoiners.. and there have even been some papers on the topic of educated and connected people frequently considering themselves to be too smart for something as lame as bitcoin.
 hahahahaha   We have our work cut out for us, if we are wanting to employ ourselves as bitcoin evangelists.

We also hear claims from supposedly smart people that now everyone knows about bitcoin, and I would also proclaim that those kinds of descriptions of bitcoin awareness and bitcoin adoption are both misleading and untrue.  Just hearing the word bitcoin and being able to say that you know what bitcoin is does not really mean that you know what it is... just because you have heard the word and you believe that you know what it is.

Even within already existing bitcoin adopters we have bitcoin skeptics and people who have low levels of knowledge, adoption and conviction in regards to bitcoin and are grappling both with what bitcoin is and what is their bitcoin investment strategy.  they might question whether their bitcoin investment strategy is aggressive enough or whimpy?  We have regulars in this thread who have difficulties in figuring out bitcoin and even figuring out their investment strategy, and I am not even blaming them for that.

So I have a lot of doubts when I hear claims about bitcoin saturation or great levels of bitcoin adoption, and perhaps the ONLY people who are overinvested or really sufficiently invested in bitcoin are 20% or less of the regulars in this thread, and surely Michael Saylor is over invested in bitcoin as well.. but he is a crazy bitcoin psycho, too.

So even if we might take a country like the USA in which a lot of people have access to various kinds of mainstream media and even access to internet, there may well be a lot of people who heard the word "bitcoin" but they hardly have any clue what bitcoin is....  they might believe that they know what bitcoin is, but I question that and I also question some of the surveys that proclaim to have high levels of bitcoin awareness and/or adoption.  Some of the claims of knowing what is bitcoin might even be being mixed up between bitcoin and crypto, but some of it may well be to have a "just say no" philosophy when it comes to learning anything that is difficult to relate to or sounds like it might be a fad or that there is a bubble that may well come crashing down at any minute.. and who wants to be buying at the top, anyhow?

Part of my point is that it takes a long time to learn about bitcoin, even if you want to learn about bitcoin... even some guys who decide to start to invest into bitcoin, it could take a long time to figure out an investment strategy, even though many of us know about dollar cost averaging investing, it can take quite a long time for normies (or newbies into bitcoin) to both learn about the idea of dollar cost averaging and then to put such DCAing into practice and then to figure out if they are adequately putting DCA to practice in a way that is sufficiently appropriate to their own situation including looking into whether they are being sufficiently aggressive in the DCA approach without being too aggressive..

After employing DCA practices, there might be some realization that DCAing can be better supplemented by buying on dips and lump sum investing too.. but then there might also be a need to figure out what their BTC accumulation target is... is it going to be a 1% allocation into bitcoin or a 25% allocation into bitcoin or somewhere in the middle or if they really study into bitcoin, they might decide to employ an even more aggressive investment allocation level, and then once they reach their allocation level (which could take several months or even a couple of years, then they might need to decide what to do if the BTC price moves and whether their allocation into BTC needs to be adjusted from time to time.. including whether it is a good idea to reallocate from time to time or can they figure out these matters on their own or do they need an investment advisor..

Many investment advisors will nearly for sure tell bitcoiners to do the wrong thing by telling them to reduce their bitcoin exposure.. hahahahaha.. many of us have already seen or experienced investment advisors like this... who we likely end up having to fire because they end up being more of a hinderance than help in regards to really grappling with bitcoin and maybe considering that bitcoin ends up allowing us to NOT have an investment advisor because bitcoin does not have that kind of an access limitation in the same way that some investment funds are limited (at least historically - even though some of them are seeming to open up more.. I wonder why?).
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However, if you tell me that it was all a conspiracy, then this is a road that you have to travel by yourself.
My rule is to not expect a conspiracy when it could be explained by rushing 'something' and/or incompetency.

Some of us have lived long enough lives to know that the world going from one crisis (Covid, world shutdown, mass layoffs), to another crisis (Money printer go brrr, massive inflation), to another crisis (Ukraine War), to another crisis (supply chain constraints, oil shortage, food shortage, etc.) to another crisis (Monkeypox, or whatthefuckeverisnext), in just a span of a few years is NOT normal. Like at all. The odds of such a pattern happening organically in such a short span of time are ridiculously low, low enough to know that they would have to be completely manufactured, planned events.

That is the conspiracy part. Rolling from one catastrophe to another and then another is not normal.

Those that believe otherwise just haven't lived long enough to know better.
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My rule is to not expect a conspiracy when it could be explained by rushing 'something' and/or incompetency.

Some of us have lived long enough lives to know that the world going from one crisis (Covid, world shutdown, mass layoffs), to another crisis (Money printer go brrr, massive inflation), to another crisis (Ukraine War), to another (supply chain constraints, oil shortage, food shortage, etc.) to another crisis (Monkeypox, or whatthefuckeverisnext), in just a span of a few years is NOT normal. Like at all. The odds of such a pattern happening organically in such a short span of time are ridiculously low, low enough to know that they would have to be completely manufactured, planned events.

That is the conspiracy part. Rolling from one catastrophe to another and then another is not normal.

Those that believe otherwise just haven't lived long enough to know better.

Or, alternatively, it could mean that we are getting close to a "Singularity", a place where the pace of technological, societal and political changes start to occur faster than our comprehension and/or adaptation. Could be two sides of the same coin, though.
EDIT: We can also simply be in the midst of the Fourth turning...the timing is right.
EDIT2: I find the fact that we just had a congressional hearing on "aliens"/UFOs among all other 'stuff' very uncanny.
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Do you eat meat? It contains animal DNA, you know.



Yeah.... how often do you eat monkey sandwiches ?

Oh... WE ARE GOING THERE !!! AHAHAHAHA !!  Cheesy  Cheesy


Well... For now, WE DO NOT KNOW !! If... pigs, chickens and stallions are vaccinated with experimental monkey vaccines.  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

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