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I woke up, saw the price heading down fucking again so seriously considered mindrusting 5% - 10% of my stack.

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 Thanks!  I'm with you, LFC_Bitcoin.  Not selling.
Also, my wife won't let me

You have a good wife, congrats.

Most women in my life wanted to sell.

They cant sell what they don't know.
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We don't know if what he said on the interview is really true or not. He could be holding less or more now of he really keeps accumulating it on his personal portfolio. But I don't think he has 34k bitcoin now. He should have been buying atleast 1k bitcoin every month since August last year if it was really true.

Saylor could have had fairly easily acquired more bitcoin for his personal holdings since 2020.

According to this article, in early 2024, Saylor was talking about having around 400,000 MSTR option shares that were worth nearly $300 million, and he said that he might buy more bitcoin with some of that money. 

The BTC price in early 2024 was around $45k.. so he could have had easily accumulated around 6k more bitcoin around that time.

is this place now mindrusters anonymous or something?? i have to keep checking im in WO.

someone really needs to get the LHC in overdrive so it can shift reality back to.. well whatever it was before

Longer term bitcoiners should have had already been prepared for these kinds of BTC price waves, and one of the solutions to attempt to lessen the severity of getting emotionally worked up about various deep corrections is to shave off some corn on the way up.. .. especially for any of us who consider ourselves as having had gotten enough or more than enough cornz.

There can be dilemmas, yet many of us longer termers should already be accustomed.. ..

I am still willing to bet Phil or anyone else with 50/50 odds that the top is not yet in...

We would have to work out the terms.  Any takers?

Anyone?

Anyone?
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I am still willing to bet Phil or anyone else with 50/50 odds that the top is not yet in...

I don’t want to bet on it but would like to say I am fully on your side here and hope you’re right Smiley
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I woke up, saw the price heading down fucking again so seriously considered mindrusting 5% - 10% of my stack. I was pretty convinced I would do it. This tariff saga is starting to piss me off. The fear of the top pathetic top by the way) being in and us heading lower after Trump’s 2nd April tariff day had me so close to pulling the trigger.

I speak to a number of the guys here privately on a different platform. I had voiced my opinions publicly and a few of the guys here in the WO reached out to me privately and I decided not to. Thank you, you know who you are.





Things like the below also help me maintain conviction.

@mrofwallstreet

The only thing you need to know is:

#BTC will continue to pump because it lags M2 Global Liquidity and this indicator continues to pump. So, as long M2 Global Liquidity continues to pump Bitcoin will continue to pump with a lag of 75-105 days. This lag of 75-105 days represents the time that hedge funds and smart money take to rotate profits from gold into Bitcoin. Why gold? Because gold is the main asset that drives M2 Global Liquidity to pump. See for yourself to precisely understand that M2 Global Liquidity is always following gold price action

At this moment we have more and more money entering gold because of massive fear of recession noise dure to tarrifs, CPI, interest rates, etc. Investors are lost and are selling US stocks and using that money to buy more and more gold, as they are seeking a place where they can preserve their purchasing power on short term and their are choosing gold. The Bitcoin leg up to 150k - 180k will happen this year and you will see that I was right once you see massive upside between today and April 27. Bitcoin will also rise above 200k this year either you want it or not, either you believe it or not, and once the year ends, you will see that I was right once again

The recession that your favorite influencer is calling is not coming yet, it will come only in 2026 - 2027. Your favorites influencers keep doom calling but they don’t realize that leg down from 90k to 76k was forced. They simply got lucky. Please, don’t forget those who called for 50-60k and those who called for 150-180k and see who was right after all
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I woke up, saw the price heading down fucking again so seriously considered mindrusting 5% - 10% of my stack.

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Also, my wife won't let me

You have a good wife, congrats.

Most women in my life wanted to sell.

They cant sell what they don't know.

Exactly. Such matters should always be handled on a need-to-know basis. And they don't need to know.
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I am still willing to bet Phil or anyone else with 50/50 odds that the top is not yet in...
I don’t want to bet on it but would like to say I am fully on your side here and hope you’re right Smiley

Based on that response, I consider that you might be willing (potentially) to take my side of the bet rather than the opposite side of the bet?  And, yeah, I am trying to entice any folks who are either cocky about the downside or bearish on the upside (philip or otherwise), and I might even be willing to make some kind of bet regarding bottoms that I would proclaim will not play out too.... such as if guys are expecting BTC prices to get within 25% of the 200-WMA prior to mid-to-late 2025 (which is getting close to $57k right now)..

And sure, I am not even with the greatest confidence of whatever might be my bets, since for example, if BTC prices were to get within 25% of the 200-WMA, I might start to get worried that the bull market has chances of being over.. absent a mere spike down to within 25% of the 200-WMA that is something like the March 2020 downity spike... and yeah what are the chances that Trump or whoever are playing the various seeming economic games of chicken might end up going overboard in regards to some short-term panic events (are those also called liquidity events?).

But yeah, if in recent times, you had already been having thoughts of taking a bit off of the table, you likely have been feeling some regrets in terms of not having had taken some profits so far in this cycle on the way up. ..which of course, I have frequently suggested that to be a better practice, even though surely you also have your "reasons" for your own ways of going about bitcoin portfolio management matters.

Surely, I feel that I don't tend to put myself in such feelings of regret about either failure of the BTC price to go up or that the BTC price keeps going down (It is not always clear about where we are at, either), even though I still have emotions about the ups and downs that end up playing out, especially during some of the extreme happenings, yet the consolidations tend to help me to re-establish emotional bearings.

I continue to believe that I have more bitcoin than I need, so that can be part of my own perception of my situation (whether it is actually true or not), so my sense is that if I shave some cash off of my BTC stash along the way up, then I feel sufficiently protected for the downside, if any downside ends up playing out.. ..which frequently it does end up happening at some point and from time time (perhaps like now?) even more than we would have had expected.  

But yeah, I surely am not picking up larger stashes of bitcoin based on BTC price swings or any sales and rebuys of BTC that I make along the way and within the waves that we can never really know when our BTC price dynamics (momentum) will change directions, even though with the passage of time my BTC stash continues to appreciate in value (and my cash holdings also go up at a somewhat more gradual rate that I consider to be within my own current standard of living, and surely I continue to have the problem of wanting to be able to figure out ways to spend more.. but I also tend to be a bit of a frugal person too.. how else did I get to my current situation?), and perhaps my BTC stash size does not shrink as the BTC price goes up as much as it otherwise might have had shrunk if I had not attempted to take the kinds of attempts at price-blind precautions that I try to ongoingly employ. ..so in otherwords, I have a very similar BTC stash size as I had in late 2017, even though we had various ups and downs along the way, and surely I am thinking that I have more cash too.. .. but I might have to go look back at it, since surely late 2017 was a greatly volatile period, even though right now we are seemingly less volatile, but at the same time we are around a bit more than 4.3x higher in terms of our current spot price as compared with late 2017 (using December 17, 2017 as the top for that cycle), and at the same time about 37x higher in terms of our 200-WMA valuations.

Also, in regards to my most recent proposed bet, all I am saying is that I have slightly greater than 50/50 odds that I would win such bet.  

I would suggest that my level of confidence is not really high, but my level of confidence is high enough that I would be able to take the upside of any such bet in terms of formulating whether the ATH is yet "in" for this cycle.. so maybe giving the timeline for any such bet to be until late 2025 or early 2026 to play out...

I believe that there would be some fun in regards to taking any such bet for anyone wanting to proclaim that the top is not "in", and surely more fun to win such bet rather than to lose it, yet even with slightly greater than 50/50 odds it is not like there would be surprises if the outcome of the bet ended up not playing out to the upside.  

We can never really know with dee cornz...even though so many of us are quite stacked in preparation for UP in regards to our ongoing anticipation that the BTC price is going to continue to trajectory upwardly, even if the short term remains less clear, including extremes that could play out and including short-term irrationalities that frequently play out. .  and the short-term irrationalities to the downside (or suppression of the BTC price) seem to contribute to a lot of frustrations (how else could coins be shaken (or shook) from trees?) until those short-term irrationalities resolve themselves.

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For sure there is something off about LFC's use of the term "Diamond hands" to refer to himself, and sure it could be that there is no one "true Diamond Hand" bitcoiner since we are all subjected to a variety of our personal conditions, including how we set ourselves up into bitcoin, and if we were betting no more than we can afford to lose.

So it seems that sometimes guys fall out of touch with their own cashflow management an their BTC portfolio management, which could be that they devolve into some kind of gambling rather than investing, and many guys here likely realize that I am not even opposed to ideas of selling some BTC as the price goes up in order to help each of us to endure during downward BTC volatility times.

One thing that is likely the most guaranteed about bitcoin is its continuing to be volatile and at the same time our inabilities to have high levels of confidence regarding the direction of such near inevitable volatility.

In order to have "Diamond Hands," each of us likely has to attempt to prepare to the best of our ability for likely ongoing inevitable BTC price volatility that goes in both directions.  Our preparations are financial and psychological, and frequently I have proclaimed that the psychological preparations follow from the financial preparations, so if we put financial systems in place to prepare for the volatility, then our psychology should become stronger through those kinds of financial preparations.

Surely if we are early in our bitcoin journey we are likely buying no matter the price and we might even specifically hold some extra cash on the side for buying dips.

At some point, we might get to a point where we don't really want to put more cash into bitcoin because we largely feel that we have enough bitcoin, yet we still might not quite be at the level of wanting to sell any bitcoin.  So, we might largely stop buying bitcoin regularly even though we might add more bitcoin to our stashes during greater dips.

At a later point, we might start to sell bitcoin on a regular basis and as the BTC price goes up, yet we still might hesitate (or to lessen the quantity) to sell during BTC price dips.

Yep, there are variations of these statuses, and each of the statuses can contain frustrations with BTC price dynamics..

There could be times that we are confused about our status that contributes to more frustration, yet I still am going to proclaim that we are likely going to have better psychology and even better abilities to pretend ourselves as "Diamond Hands" if we figure out how to put our financial practices in such a place that helps our psychology so that in almost all circumstances, we end up being sufficiently/adequately prepared for either BTC price direction, even extremes in regards to price movement and the amount of time that it takes for whichever of the BTC price directions to play out.

I woke up, saw the price heading down fucking again so seriously considered mindrusting 5% - 10% of my stack.
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Thanks!  I'm with you, LFC_Bitcoin.  Not selling.
Also, my wife won't let me
You have a good wife, congrats.

Most women in my life wanted to sell.
They cant sell what they don't know.
Exactly. Such matters should always be handled on a need-to-know basis. And they don't need to know.

Your response is even more chauvinistic than the one that I was going to make.

Of course, there are exceptions to any rule, yet I was planning to say (before I decided not to, and the you, AlcoHoDL, lured me back into my "bad thinking") that mostly, women are too busy thinking about how many purses and/or perfumes that they can buy and/or how many tea party dates that they can go on with their lady friends, when they cash out of their 80% "profits," that they lose track of the BIG delayed gratification picture.

There are some guys like that too.... and those guys frequently get sucked into losing their money or taking measly and insignificant claims at "profits" through their shitcoin involvement.
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I woke up, saw the price heading down fucking again so seriously considered mindrusting 5% - 10% of my stack. I was pretty convinced I would do it. This tariff saga is starting to piss me off. The fear of the top pathetic top by the way) being in and us heading lower after Trump’s 2nd April tariff day had me so close to pulling the trigger.

I speak to a number of the guys here privately on a different platform. I had voiced my opinions publicly and a few of the guys here in the WO reached out to me privately and I decided not to. Thank you, you know who you are.




It's really annoying but we can't sell cheap. No we can't.
Let's just scale through this week.


 Thanks!  I'm with you, LFC_Bitcoin.  Not selling.
Also, my wife won't let me
She's a strong woman. Respect.
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We don't know if what he said on the interview is really true or not. He could be holding less or more now of he really keeps accumulating it on his personal portfolio. But I don't think he has 34k bitcoin now. He should have been buying atleast 1k bitcoin every month since August last year if it was really true.

Saylor could have had fairly easily acquired more bitcoin for his personal holdings since 2020.

According to this article, in early 2024, Saylor was talking about having around 400,000 MSTR option shares that were worth nearly $300 million, and he said that he might buy more bitcoin with some of that money. 

The BTC price in early 2024 was around $45k.. so he could have had easily accumulated around 6k more bitcoin around that time.

is this place now mindrusters anonymous or something?? i have to keep checking im in WO.

someone really needs to get the LHC in overdrive so it can shift reality back to.. well whatever it was before

Longer term bitcoiners should have had already been prepared for these kinds of BTC price waves, and one of the solutions to attempt to lessen the severity of getting emotionally worked up about various deep corrections is to shave off some corn on the way up.. .. especially for any of us who consider ourselves as having had gotten enough or more than enough cornz.

There can be dilemmas, yet many of us longer termers should already be accustomed.. ..

I am still willing to bet Phil or anyone else with 50/50 odds that the top is not yet in...

We would have to work out the terms.  Any takers?

Anyone?

Anyone?

If we go to 125k my .00484 would be
big enough in fiat to make up for the 0.00121 mistake I made.

So if we do it before Jan 1 2026 I will explain the mistake.
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I just realized the all important date for this here famous thread, April 1st, is on the horizon.
I'd better start tuning back in.

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If we go to 125k my .00484 would be
big enough in fiat to make up for the 0.00121 mistake I made.

So if we do it before Jan 1 2026 I will explain the mistake.

So?  Essentially, you set aside 0.00484 BTC in order to potentially make up for the mistake that you made in regards to the 0.00121 BTC (like a self-imposed punishment with a possible resolution that could drag out to 2026 - presuming it resolves itself)?

I have made some similar kinds of mistakes in which I locked myself into ways to make up for my earlier mistake, yet when I created my resolutions they would tend to have solutions that involved being able to resolve to either the upside or the downside.. no matter the kind of mistake.. whether I bought when I should have had sold or sold when I should have had bought...

Maybe I could give an example?  One time in late 2015, I had lost my cool when the BTC price went from upper $200s to $500-ish , and I was supposed to sell BTC in small increments on the way up, yet I stopped selling BTC and cancelled my sell orders as the BTC price went from $330 and up to $500 within a week or two, and when the BTC price reached somewhere close to $500 (the then top in early November 2015), I bought like 10x the size of the amount that I should have had been selling.

I cannot remember the exact numbers, but let's say, for example, I was supposed to sell $100 on the way up between $330 and $500, and since I did not sell any BTC within that price range, I ended up buying something like $1k worth of BTC at $500.

The BTC price quickly corrected and it corrected all the way back down to $300, yet for my punishment, I could not buy any more BTC until the price got to a certain level such as below $310, and I had to put extra sell orders once the BTC price went over $500.. .. so for a certain time, maybe a month or so, I mostly locked myself out of doing anything based on my mistake even though the BTC price did correct back down to $300, but it was stuck around $420 for quite a large amount of time through early 2016, and it did not get a back up above $500 until the end of May 2016. 

The fact of the matter is that I could not take the torture of my punishment, so after a month or so of my not being authorized to do anything, I got bored, and I engaged in various calculations and recalculations to put myself back in the game of playing with my cornz, and the reset that allowed me to act rather than sit on the sidelines likely allowed for a certain weighting of selling some of the extra BTC that I bought, even though I could not sell the actual ones that I bought at $500 until the BTC price returned over $500, but I figured out some ways to dance around the topic to put myself back into an active status rather than just continuing to sit around and mull over my dumb mistake.   And part of my resolution related to my having had BTC that I had bought at various prices through 2013 and 2015, and so there were ways that I could categorize my bitcoin to find ones that were sufficiently profitable so that I could sell portions of them, and I had not completely run out of cash since I still had cash coming in, so I was able to still allocate some cash towards buying in ways that allowed me to take advantage of any dips.

I have made several other mistakes, but most of them did not tend to be as BIG (or memorable) as that mistake, and for the most part, from that particular mistake, I learned to stick to my already established system rather than letting my emotions get in the way of what I had already established to be my plan in advance.

I would say that in my beginner days with bitcoin, I had several mistakes where I sold rather than bought and bought rather than sold, but it just ended up being 1 or 2 orders by the time I realized those kinds of smaller mistakes, and those kinds of mistakes were generally easy to make up for... but they would still tend to require removing orders on one side and adding orders on the other side depending on the particular direction of the mistake until I got myself back to where I should have had been, and usually I would add some cushion in order to cause the mistake to end up being profitable... which usually worked, but not every time.
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ATH $145k October 2025. 

You heard it here first.

Exactly $145k or do you have a give and/or take amount?

Then are we going to have a bear market after October 2025 into 2026? 

and when will be the next ATH after the October 2025 one?

I find your ATH to be a bit bearish.

If we measure from our prior ATH of 2021 of $69k, your prediction is only 2.1x higher.

If we measure from our October 2023 jumping off point of $27k then your prediction is only about 5.4x.

If we measure from our November 2022 bottom of $15,479, then your prediction is 9.35x...

All of those seem quite conservative, and maybe even overly conservative, yet sure?  I heard it from you, before i heard it from someone else.. even though there had been some other predictions in that kind of a ballpark.

My earlier thoughts were that the BTC price would bounce into the $120k to $180k range and then consolidate a bit within that range, and then it would have some kind of further bounce to somewhere between $240k and $520k... so I am not necessarily going to move off of my own ideas.. even though surely I don't consider my ideas to be based on anything more than some kind of a feelings.
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