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I SAW a brief news flash on fox that there was a huge usa crypto bust and seizure.

Looking for some links.


https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/how-us-made-its-largest-crypto-seizure-busting-a-cambodian-human-trafficking-and-fraud-ring-worth-15-billion/ar-AA1OtnuG?ocid=BingNewsSerp

15 billion

127,000 btc seized

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/10/15/bitcoin-chen-zhi-pig-butchering-scams-cambodia/86699378007/


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Transfer fees must be worth as much as the maize.
Best guess, they use an exchange that allows users to send and receive cryptos for free within the platform, it was available in Coinbase when I used but not sure if it is still available.

Other option is LN but I don't think they are into it.

And I read decentralization, but really? When they are using exchange as a wallet... Roll Eyes

There’s literally a lightning symbol on the sign so I’m guessing that’s what they’re using to process orders. That makes me think this is more about a photo op than anything else (maybe look into who funded this) as I’ve heard that the only thing they’re using in these countries is stablecoins, mostly on the Tron network.
Sure, LN is a practical solution but I don't think that is what they are using. I could be wrong...but less likely. Wink

I seen this very often, people claim they embrace decentralization of bitcoin and be your own bank, fuck censorship in their posts but if we check up on them, most of them use an exchange address to receive their sig payouts. Quite an irony...
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Transfer fees must be worth as much as the maize.
Best guess, they use an exchange that allows users to send and receive cryptos for free within the platform, it was available in Coinbase when I used but not sure if it is still available.

Other option is LN but I don't think they are into it.

And I read decentralization, but really? When they are using exchange as a wallet... Roll Eyes

There’s literally a lightning symbol on the sign so I’m guessing that’s what they’re using to process orders. That makes me think this is more about a photo op than anything else (maybe look into who funded this) as I’ve heard that the only thing they’re using in these countries is stablecoins, mostly on the Tron network.
Sure, LN is a practical solution but I don't think that is what they are using. I could be wrong...but less likely. Wink

I seen this very often, people claim they embrace decentralization of bitcoin and be your own bank, fuck censorship in their posts but if we check up on them, most of them use an exchange address to receive their sig payouts. Quite an irony...

If you spend 0.0001 btc with a small ln fee the issues is will you replace your spend.

Doing p2p with btc is a terrible idea unless you replace with a little more than your spend.
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5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.

I doubt that zooming out further supports your case more rather than my case, even though I agree that there are ways that we could spin matters to describe what we would like to argue, and I am not even saying that you are being dingenuine, since you can truly believe what you are saying and seeing in the data.

Sure, it is possible that bitcoin only had the advantage of its early adoption phases, and so in that regard, bitcoin has been outperforming gold due to the advantages of early adoption (starting from a price of zero, etc. etc).

At the same time, I would expect anyone who is actually following bitcoin and trying to appreciate what bitcoin offers are going to recognize and appreciate that bitcoin is far from peaking out as if it were a maturing asset, and instead bitcoin is quite likely going to continue to take market share from gold, even if there might be some bumps in the road and even if gold might have some various momentum advantages that might help it to outperform bitcoin in the short-to-medium term.

I frequently proclaim that when we are deciding to get into bitcoin (or if we are making any additional bitcoin purchases), we need to be considering our bitcoin purchases in terms of 4-10 years or longer, so if we were going to make a bet about bitcoin versus gold, then we can talk in terms of 4-10 years or longer.

Also, in many forum threads we are talking about the dollar/bitcoin pair, so in that sense, much of my analysis are in those kind of frameworks, even though I also consider bitcoin to be amongst the best, if not the best of places to put our money, even though various assets are going to perform different, whether we are referring to gold or properties, or stocks or other places that we might alternatively choose to place our value rather than putting it in bitcoin. 

Accordingly, in the diversification, I frequently suggest that guys should not be putting any more than 10% of the size of their bitcoin in gold, and even 10% might be too much.. . .more like 2% to 5% - for the Armagaeddon scenario.. .. but yeah in the end, guys can do what they want, even though I have a bit of conviction that bitcoin is going to continue to eat gold's lunch, I am not sure about how far various gold bugs (and/or dinosaur institutions and/or governments) might stay uninformed and/or irrational on such topic... so in that regard, I am not sure the extent to which I can see a possible bet, except to suggest pumping shitcoins, including gold, is not exactly on topic here, even though at least there are some attempts to make the topic as a bitcoin versus gold comparison.. but what is stopping doing that with any shitcoin, besides the dollar which is our trading pair topic of this thread.

5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.
I see gold as the ultimate hedge against monetary inflation: nothing more, nothing less. In the very long run, I'd expect Bitcoin to keep up with inflation: it simply can't keep going up in value indefinitely.

It's going up forever, Loyce.  I know, I am so original.

But I must say I'm surprised to see Bitcoin more or less reached that point (against gold) for the past 5 years now. I'd say it's far too early for this, and I still expect Bitcoin to outperform gold for many years to come.

Holy fucking shit.

You are accepting that 5 years framework, too?  If we go with a 5 year framework, then more or less we are picking bitcoin's peak of the 2021 bull run, more or less, and then claiming that such price movements are representative of bitcoin prices (market cap) versus gold? 

I have my doubts picking bitcoin's previous top as our starting point for our measuring period, and similar if we were to go from the 2017 bitcoin price peak, and we were to proclaim that bitcoin has not gone up very much since 2017 as compared with gold. 

There are probably ways to compare gold's 200-WMA to bitcoin's but I don't have the gold data (and I don't want to do the homework), even looking at AI... the 200-WMA in gold might have doubled in the past 5 years.

At the same time, bitcoin's 200-WMA has gone up nearly x in the past 5 years  (from $6,853 in October 2020 to $53,850

1. This cycle is over
2. The earth is flat
3. Bitcoin doesn't care
4. All of the above

Cats and dogs living together in harmony.

Another all time high today for Gold.
Dow, S&P500, NASDAQ all up after open today.

Come on Bitcoin FFS.

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Phil - I think Silver rose above $50 oz, didn't it?
 
Yes. You are right. The price of silver has risen above $50 per ounce.

Or not yet above $50 per ounce.

But it depends entirely on the current market price!
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Phil - I think Silver rose above $50 oz, didn't it?
 
Yes. You are right. The price of silver has risen above $50 per ounce.

Or not yet above $50 per ounce.

But it depends entirely on the current market price!

$53.21 as I type this…

The pig butcher scammer is on the run from the US Government with over a billion dollars… That’s strategic reserve money right there. He won’t make it long…

“Chen Zhi, a Chinese national sanctioned by the U.S. for running a massive crypto scam, is reportedly on the run with control of $1.8B in Bitcoin”

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Phil - I think Silver rose above $50 oz, didn't it?
 
Yes. You are right. The price of silver has risen above $50 per ounce.

Or not yet above $50 per ounce.

But it depends entirely on the current market price!

you know, if you don't have anything to say, you don't have to write a post.
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i have tinnitus and the sound fans make (white noise) is great for masking it.

Bro, try this:
If you can, find the frequency/frequencies of your tinnitus.
On white noise, apply sharp cuts (notch filter with a high Q value) at these frequencies and listen to it via headphones a few minutes a day for several times.
May need some time, but could well improve your tinnitus.
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Interesting! I also have tinnitus, and I know more or less where it lies frequency-wise. I did have a plot, but who knows where it is now. At any rate, how high the Q? How narrow must the filter band be? Average -12db over half an octave sounds fine?  Avg -6db over 1/3 of an octave? If it's too tight and steep it begins to resonate, and the high pitched howl cannot be a good thing...

I tried and used Ableton's Analog as noise generator and Fabfilter Pro-Q for filtering. AFAIK when you use peak filtering, the side bands begin to resonate at some point, but Q has to be really high and gain pretty low to hear resonances.
I never heard any resonances when using a notch filter, but i have to admit that i only used notches with digital "gear" yet. What filter are you using? I couldn't reproduce any whining with the digital notch (nor peak) filters.
In general, get as close as you can, frequency and bandwidth (Q) wise to cut the tinnitus frequencies. You may try to tune a sine to your tinnitus and cut that frequency in the white noise afterwards. Also, green or pink noise could be more pleasant to the ears in general. I'd also try that.
The better the notch fits the tinnitus, the more the inner ear (hearing system, if you want) can relax.
Somebody once explained it to me that there is a damage regarding that specific aural sensory spectrum where the tinnitus is, so the ear (or brain) tries to compensate by "listen harder" in this area. When you feed signal (noise) over the full spectrum and notch out the tinnitus frequencies, it tricks the brain into stopping to "listen more" to this frequency, because it learns that there is no signal/noise to look for in this area.

I suffer from tinnitus for many years now, and it's actually different types of tinnitus as well. A static one, with slight overtones, hard to mask completely with a sine wave. Then there's one nervous-system related mid-to-high pitched "howl", much more like a sine wave, which typically goes away after minutes or hours. The former one just stays. The third one, triggered by sensory overload (mostly aural) sounds like a train entering a railway station with the brakes on. This is the most annoying one, lasts for hours and is impossible to mask, because the ever changing character of sound. I always have this one after a studio session or listening to music on closed headphones. Also related, a variation of the train-tinnitus, sounds like a field full of crickets and is triggered by aural over-stimulation especially when rich in high frequency content and volume.
Nice, innit?  Roll Eyes
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Phil - I think Silver rose above $50 oz, didn't it?
 
Yes. You are right. The price of silver has risen above $50 per ounce.

Or not yet above $50 per ounce.

But it depends entirely on the current market price!

$53.21 as I type this…

The pig butcher scammer is on the run from the US Government with over a billion dollars… That’s strategic reserve money right there. He won’t make it long…

“Chen Zhi, a Chinese national sanctioned by the U.S. for running a massive crypto scam, is reportedly on the run with control of $1.8B in Bitcoin”

- @BTC_Archive

In a. Just world they would cut his balls off and feed them to a pig.

Oh does. Anyone Want 5.65 kilos of usa dimes quarters and halfs .


That is after I factored 90%

Ie 5.625÷.9= 6.25 actual weight.

5.625x1707= 9600usd melt value

People on bitcointalk.org are not biting at it in the marketplace.

Too many ball less people.as I offered a good deal

I will likely desist.

Surprised no one wants them.
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Those fucktwats just gave the US a big part of strategic Bitcoin reserve for free.
The US should better compensate the victims with those BTCs.
Not amused.


In a. Just world they would cut his balls off and feed them him to a pig

FTFY

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Surprised no one wants them.

Being fair, we are both trying to sell a lot of silver, so I don’t blame them for wanting to hold onto their BTC. It is a bit strange though. I’m selling tons of silver coins through other channels for 20% higher than I am offering here and I’m getting very few bites. I’m very happy offering Bitcoin and Litecoin themed silver coins at spot with these prices.
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But policy rules are not related to governance. The policy rules are subjective rules that are implemented by developers of Bitcoin Core. They can change them up and down at will. Consensus rules is where you need governance to make changes. Why should random people get to have an opinion on engineering changes that don't affect consensus? What makes them think they can have an opinion on it?
You might be correct in theory, yet guys likely will get upset if they feel snubbed, and since bitcoin is open source software normies feel entitles to participate and to be able to have input in regards to substance and/or procedures.

So, yeah there are substantive arguments and there are procedural arguments, and surely folks are not always going to be competent in terms of arguments that they are making whether they are arguing about process or arguing about substance.

You might also be correct that core can do whatever they like, and then people can choose or choose not to run the software and/or to create counter implementations, since it is all open source the code can be seen, to the extent it is understood or that others might have trust to run the software if it were an implementation that was not the same as core's implementation.
Do you know that they change many other numbers all the time? The only difference here is that this group has a name policy rules.. most users have no idea all the changes that are happening all the time in Bitcoin Core. I think it is wrong to feel entitled about contributing to open source software with opinions. If a person is not financing it or doing actual contributing as in writing code or doing research then they are not really doing anything. They just think they are contributing but they are mostly causing problems and causing time to be lost. Undecided

People react differently, and surely so far our current correction has ONLY gotten as low as 13% from the top, so it surely does not seem to be a BIG deal, yet LFC seems to be getting caught up upon a timeline, like bitcoin has to do a certain level of performance at a certain time, as if bitcoin is on a schedule, and surely it worked out somewhat for him when he was saying those same things in the last cycle (2021), and he even went through a similar dynamic in 2017.. and it can even be seen on the chart, so yeah, he seems to be getting it stuck in his head that the cycles are guaranteed  to be within a certain kind of time parameter.
I think every single thing about this market is as different as possible from the last one. Expecting identical performance and timeline is not good.. we just confirmed at least 2 more interest rate cuts until this year is over. Things will improve.

Lot's of negativity even from seasoned people, not too worried to be honest, expect to see higher prices soon(ish) Grin
My thoughts are the same. We are at most 2 good weeks away from $150k unless people consider a 5% increase in 7 days a good week.  Cheesy
You are on a schedule too?
No I never said it has to be the next weeks or any particular weeks. I'm merely showing how close we are yet people think it is far.

Gotta love widespread despair at one hundred and ten thousand dollars per Bit Coin

Also: "sell btc for gold's remarkable performance!!1" L.O.L.
One of the biggest problems with the majority of people is that they practically never learn anything after they grow up. There is only an appearance of learning something but it is rote memorization, not real learning..

Selling Bitcoin for gold ore other precious metals is pure blasphemy, commited atrocities of treason.
This is the way.

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Those fucktwats just gave the US a big part of strategic Bitcoin reserve for free.
The US should better compensate the victims with those BTCs.
Not amused.


In a. Just world they would cut his balls off and feed them him to a pig

FTFY

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i would make him watch the pig eat the balls.
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