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May 09, 2014, 02:52:54 PM

Who's the sales person?
The people who say that bitcoin will be worth at least 5'000 USD by next year.  Those who claim it will preotect your money from inflation, bank haircuts, taxes, etc.  Those who still claims that the price can only increase since there is only a fixed number of bitcoins. Do I need to point out examples? (Not long ago the WSJ reported on some Argentinian woman who said 1'000'000 USD/BTC.


Why is there this idea with you that people have been mislead and sold something by someone in particular ?
Because they were?  

In the fiat world scams are bought into all the time do we really need to start metioned Maddof et al? Thats what you call being robbed of your life savings not investing in a brand new BETA technology and then moaning that its lost value because you listened to some guy on the internet instead of making your own decision. These fiat financial scams and frauds genuinely rob people of their lifes work and do genuinely sing promises of high returns.
Madoff went to jail and his name is rightly mentioned all the time when discussing scams.  Why shouldn't the bitcoin Madoffs go to jail too?

Misleading marketing is misleading marketing, it does not matter whether it was on a blog, through an YouTube video, or printed on glossy paper.

The thing that annoys me most with your conjecture is that you speak as though everyone whos in BTC right now bought $1200 coins. Thats just not the case the majority of people are well above their initial investment and the rest of them are likely down no where near 60%.  
The early bitcoin investors who later sold some of their holdings made huge profits at the expense of the later entrants.  That is what happens in any pyramid or Ponzi too, including Madoffs.  It does not make the thing a sound investment: since bitcoins pay no dividends, the expected gain for the average investor, in the long run, is negative.

A fool and his money are soon parted and if somebody invests in a volatile asset that they can see with their own eyes has been so volatile and then moan that it goes down instead of up they are a fool.

If someone borrows $50,000 off friends and family to invest in a ridculously volatile asset then they are a fool.

If someone left their Bitcoins with a third party service then they are a fool.

If someone invests more than they are willing to lose they are a fool.

Dont you see where this is going ?
Er... anyone who invests in bitcoin is a fool?  Wink

I take it you advocate boiler room pump and dumps then that leave people with low single digit %'s of what they were conned into investing for promises of high returns.
Quite the opposite, I just wish that the bitcoin boiler room be treated like any other boiler room.
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May 09, 2014, 02:53:39 PM

http://www.coindesk.com/worlds-largest-bank-icbc-latest-block-bitcoin-china/, news like this one and the price goes up!! Priceless!!  Grin

Like!!!  +1   whatever..
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May 09, 2014, 02:54:16 PM

Where are the train pictures???  Grin
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May 09, 2014, 02:54:42 PM

Where are the train pictures???  Grin

Dont jinx it now.
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May 09, 2014, 02:54:51 PM

To the fucking moon.
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May 09, 2014, 02:57:33 PM

http://www.coindesk.com/worlds-largest-bank-icbc-latest-block-bitcoin-china/, news like this one and the price goes up!! Priceless!!  Grin

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So the only way out for money trapped on Huobi etc is through BTC :O
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May 09, 2014, 02:58:01 PM

All I want is that fucking reversal, get some confidence into this market.
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May 09, 2014, 02:58:07 PM

How can you lose your savings if it didnt go to 0 ? The very worst you could do is lose 60%
That wasn't meant literally, of course.  Losing 60% of all you own is bad enough, don't you think?

But you CAN lose all of your life savings if you left the bitcoins in MtGOX, invested in Neo & Bee, or any of the other zillion bitcoin scams. (The first time I heard of bitcoin was when Rick Falkvinge tweeted that he was investing all his savings in bitcoin. Guess where he left them.  Fortunately for him he managed to get part of them out in time.)

You can also invest your 50'000$ of savings plus 50'000$ borrowed from relatives, friends and banks.  (You can bet that many people did that.  If the salesman says that for sure BTC will be worth 1'000'000$ in a few years...)

This idea that the government needs to protect you from your own investment decisions is comical.
It is funny, but one of the things that people expect the government to do is to protect them from scammers who try to sell unsound financial instruments with misleading promises.  That is why there are things like the SEC and consumer protection laws.  And that seems to be the reason why many bitcoin businesses catering primarily to US citizens are based in Panama or other unlikely countries.

Who's the sales person? Why is there this idea with you that people have been mislead and sold something by someone in particular ? In the fiat world scams are bought into all the time do we really need to start metioned Maddof et al ? Thats what you call being robbed of your life savings not investing in a brand new BETA technology and then moaning that its lost value because you listened to some guy on the internet instead of making your own decision. These fiat financial scams and frauds genuinely rob people of their lifes work and do genuinely sing promises of high returns.

The thing that annoys me most with your conjecture is that you speak as though everyone whos in BTC right now bought $1200 coins. Thats just not the case the majority of people are well above their initial investment and the rest of them are likely down no where near 60%. 

A fool and his money are soon parted and if somebody invests in a volatile asset that they can see with their own eyes has been so volatile and then moan that it goes down instead of up they are a fool.

If someone borrows $50,000 off freinds and family to invest in a ridculously volatile asset then they are a fool.

If someone left their Bitcoins with a third party service then they are a fool.

If someone invests more than they are willing to lose they are a fool.

Dont you see where this is going ?

I take it you advocate boiler room pump and dumps then that leave people with low single digit %'s of what they were conned into investing for promises of high returns.



I have not heard any people having a lot of bitcoins not saying there is a huge risk involved

The SEC protects nobody, they fine the banks so it means they fine the clients
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May 09, 2014, 02:59:45 PM

Ok guys, why is Bitcoin going to the Moon today ?  Tongue
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May 09, 2014, 03:00:02 PM

Let´s WALL OBSERVE.... nice buy walls @stamp !!! greeeeen
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May 09, 2014, 03:00:58 PM


Explanation
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May 09, 2014, 03:01:07 PM

I need trains pictures for god sake  Grin Grin
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May 09, 2014, 03:01:16 PM


Look, btcwisdom has Bollinger bands now. How convenient.





Like I said a few days ago, I don't want to be a pessimist, but I prefer to wait til there's actually something noteworthy going on before I start cheering.

Not only didn't we break through a number of plausible (log) downwards trendlines that have been making the rounds for a while now, we're not even in the upper BB half. Go back to July 2013 to see what a decisive reversal looks like wrt BB.

If we manage to fight our way into the upper half of daily BB, and then break through the upper band, or alternatively (and more realistically) bounce off of it but at least find support at the BB mid line (SMA20, now at 460), I'm going to get cautiously bullish, but not earlier.


But I already know what the bulls will say... that's just a permabear talking, trying to spoil our fun :D
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May 09, 2014, 03:02:24 PM

CCMF !!! ALL ABOARD !!!!!1

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May 09, 2014, 03:06:28 PM

The bus is leaving, hop in before its too late, you will never see <500 again

you mean < 500 bears, fully armed ?
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May 09, 2014, 03:08:47 PM

You didn't answer any of my questions. If you still have your coins they were never "stolen." Only you computer was stolen.

I feel the pressure to answer only the questions that I wish to. I am not doing this to please you but to edify the lurkers, remember.

As I told in the very detailed report to the hotel management already after the event (quoted here also just a while ago):

- laptop was left in the secure room but the security was breached by the hotel (and possibly others)
- it was there when we found out
- our immediate investigation could not conclude if bitcoin keys were stolen or not (other stuff was missing)
- the hotel was incensed that I had investigation going on and them to blame
- we had a Saturday morning top meeting with their CEO, me, and aides of both
- conclusion was that they allow only police to conduct crime investigation, which in my opinion would have profited nothing
- they told us to go to hell in the earliest opportunity
- after complying, the bitcoins were secured and we did not find any transfers made in the meanwhile
- the sauna was deducted from the bill and officially all is fine
- I am building a new hotel, much bigger, better and more secure, so that the matter should not trouble us anymore.

So you never lost shit. You didn't even lose your computer. Yet, you came on the forum and announced that your bitcoin was stolen.

Good grief man. That is exactly why people have a hard time trusting you, despite you adding interesting knowledge from the board from time to time.

You SHOULD try to please me. And the rest of us by being honest.

Seems to be an example of unnecessary drama where any "normal" person would NOT say anything about such an incident, if it were to occur to him/her.

Maybe Rpietila subscribes to the school of thought that any publicity is good publicity?





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May 09, 2014, 03:09:18 PM

People in this thread often remind me of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lutNECOZFw
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May 09, 2014, 03:14:08 PM

CCMF !!! ALL ABOARD !!!!!1




they all go to da moon !

without space suit / oxygen - that´s gonna be a short ride ....
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I am anxiously awaiting the big breakout.
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