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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 3 (3.9%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.3%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.6%)
$85K to $90K - 9 (11.8%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (15.8%)
$95K to $100K - 12 (15.8%)
>$100K - 37 (48.7%)
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May 09, 2014, 03:08:47 PM

You didn't answer any of my questions. If you still have your coins they were never "stolen." Only you computer was stolen.

I feel the pressure to answer only the questions that I wish to. I am not doing this to please you but to edify the lurkers, remember.

As I told in the very detailed report to the hotel management already after the event (quoted here also just a while ago):

- laptop was left in the secure room but the security was breached by the hotel (and possibly others)
- it was there when we found out
- our immediate investigation could not conclude if bitcoin keys were stolen or not (other stuff was missing)
- the hotel was incensed that I had investigation going on and them to blame
- we had a Saturday morning top meeting with their CEO, me, and aides of both
- conclusion was that they allow only police to conduct crime investigation, which in my opinion would have profited nothing
- they told us to go to hell in the earliest opportunity
- after complying, the bitcoins were secured and we did not find any transfers made in the meanwhile
- the sauna was deducted from the bill and officially all is fine
- I am building a new hotel, much bigger, better and more secure, so that the matter should not trouble us anymore.

So you never lost shit. You didn't even lose your computer. Yet, you came on the forum and announced that your bitcoin was stolen.

Good grief man. That is exactly why people have a hard time trusting you, despite you adding interesting knowledge from the board from time to time.

You SHOULD try to please me. And the rest of us by being honest.

Seems to be an example of unnecessary drama where any "normal" person would NOT say anything about such an incident, if it were to occur to him/her.

Maybe Rpietila subscribes to the school of thought that any publicity is good publicity?





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May 09, 2014, 03:09:18 PM

People in this thread often remind me of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lutNECOZFw
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May 09, 2014, 03:14:08 PM

CCMF !!! ALL ABOARD !!!!!1




they all go to da moon !

without space suit / oxygen - that´s gonna be a short ride ....
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I am anxiously awaiting the big breakout.
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May 09, 2014, 03:16:02 PM

Dump of the century about to commence:
- Pumped price: Check
- CCMF idiots: Check
- People willing to dump their coins: Check
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May 09, 2014, 03:16:59 PM

CCMF !!! ALL ABOARD !!!!!1




they all go to da moon !

without space suit / oxygen - that´s gonna be a short ride ....

Actually there is no train there just a picture of a well trained group of Indian people standing on each other's shoulders! :-)
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May 09, 2014, 03:17:59 PM

Anyone knows if there is any place to check open short/long positions in Huobi (like Bitfinex)?
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May 09, 2014, 03:18:48 PM

Who's the sales person?

The people who say that bitcoin will be worth at least 5'000 USD by next year.  Those who claim it will preotect your money from inflation, bank haircuts, taxes, etc.  Those who still claims that the price can only increase since there is only a fixed number of bitcoins. Do I need to point out examples? (Not long ago the WSJ reported on some Argentinian woman who said 1'000'000 USD/BTC.

People say all sorts of things are going to rise in value quick buy now. Gold, property etc etc. Does that make the people who put their money into that without doing their due research any less of a fool?

Bitcoin can do all of those things.

IF demand for Bitcoin increases and their is a fixed supply they will become more valuable you can say the same for gold...

Great lets tar everyone with the same brush because of what some women in Argentina said. How ignorant that you want to stereotype all bitcoiners because there are those that are trying to make their stash worth more... How educated and objective a view.

Why is there this idea with you that people have been mislead and sold something by someone in particular ?
Because they were?  

Thats not the question I asked you. Show me some proof of someone being misold bitcoin on the pretence that it is guranteed to go up in value thats not something a randomer on the internet said.

Note: and even someone saying BTC could be worth $100k in the future isn't miselling them as how do you know it won't?

In the fiat world scams are bought into all the time do we really need to start metioned Maddof et al? Thats what you call being robbed of your life savings not investing in a brand new BETA technology and then moaning that its lost value because you listened to some guy on the internet instead of making your own decision. These fiat financial scams and frauds genuinely rob people of their lifes work and do genuinely sing promises of high returns.
Madoff went to jail and his name is rightly mentioned all the time when discussing scams.  Why shouldn't the bitcoin Madoffs go to jail too?

Misleading marketing is misleading marketing, it does not matter whether it was on a blog, through an YouTube video, or printed on glossy paper.

Um they should, again thats not an issue with Bitcoin itself.

This is the crux really isn't it. Wheres the misleading part? If you were around in May last year you would have been saying ha all the people who bought at $266 were mislead and misold should go to jail etc and then look 6 months later you would be eating your hat.

Plus if you allow yourself to beleive that BTC is going straight to $1mm GURANTEEED (which is the only time misselling matters, just saying they COULD isn't miselling) your a fool.



The thing that annoys me most with your conjecture is that you speak as though everyone whos in BTC right now bought $1200 coins. Thats just not the case the majority of people are well above their initial investment and the rest of them are likely down no where near 60%.  

The early bitcoin investors who later sold some of their holdings made huge profits at the expense of the later entrants.  That is what happens in any pyramid or Ponzi too, including Madoffs.  It does not make the thing a sound investment: since bitcoins pay no dividends, the expected gain for the average investor, in the long run, is negative.

Same for gold then?

You have to distinguish between investment to have a share of BTC and an investment to later sell for fiat profits. In the former the $ value doesn't matter.

Believe it or not, in the specualtion forum the majority are trying to do the later but only to have more of the former. If you were to spend time speaking to people in other areas you may find that not the case.

A fool and his money are soon parted and if somebody invests in a volatile asset that they can see with their own eyes has been so volatile and then moan that it goes down instead of up they are a fool.

If someone borrows $50,000 off friends and family to invest in a ridculously volatile asset then they are a fool.

If someone left their Bitcoins with a third party service then they are a fool.

If someone invests more than they are willing to lose they are a fool.

Dont you see where this is going ?
Er... anyone who invests in bitcoin is a fool?  Wink
Guess again. Anyone who invests in anything while doing those things is a fool.

I take it you advocate boiler room pump and dumps then that leave people with low single digit %'s of what they were conned into investing for promises of high returns.
Quite the opposite, I just wish that the bitcoin boiler room be treated like any other boiler room.

Thats great, I implor you to effect change and be active in the acheivment of this goal. But go after the services and  campaign for better regulation and punishments if thats what you see the problem as being.

I dont see you denouncing fiat currency everytime there is an unsolved scam within world.

Your issues are with the scammers surrounding bitcoin tackle them then. The fact is you only perceive there to be a high % of scams because this is a small community and this forum is an oppurtunity to air everything that happens within the BTC world therefore you always hear about the scams if you come here and read the board.

If there was a fiat forum with a small community of fiat users you would find the same.





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May 09, 2014, 03:19:24 PM

Dump of the century about to commence:
- Pumped price: Check
- CCMF idiots: Check
- People willing to dump their coins: Check

Somebody forgot to close their shorts
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May 09, 2014, 03:24:11 PM

Dump of the century about to commence:
- Pumped price: Check
- CCMF idiots: Check
- People willing to dump their coins: Check

Somebody forgot to close their shorts

you´r not supposed to wear shorts in the sauna,

cover your crotch with your laptop, in some cases a usb stick is quite enough
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May 09, 2014, 03:25:39 PM

For a bear to affect this market they have to have bitcoin to dump right? So how are they a bear if they had coins in the first place? I still haven't figured that out.
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May 09, 2014, 03:25:50 PM

I feel like if we can get 2 green macd's in a row, we'll be in pretty good shape. We are well on our way to get the 1st, but it looked like this this time yesterday as well. On the close of the second green macd I'm buying.
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May 09, 2014, 03:29:44 PM

For a bear to affect this market they have to have bitcoin to dump right? So how are they a bear if they had coins in the first place? I still haven't figured that out.


Same for the bulls , they are supposed to be all BTC and 0% fiat.

But reality actions/ forum talks are two different things
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May 09, 2014, 03:35:01 PM

For a bear to affect this market they have to have bitcoin to dump right? So how are they a bear if they had coins in the first place? I still haven't figured that out.


First, you can lend and short on some exchanges, bitfinex and huobi for instance. Secondly being a bull or a bear isnt materializing in 100%BTC or 100% fiat. Most of people are just adjusting their btc/fiat ratio.
This way if price falls more than you thought you can buy some more btc (and sell some more BTC if price is going higher than you expected).
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May 09, 2014, 03:36:15 PM

Price going up - check
Bears who got left behind spreading fud - check
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May 09, 2014, 03:38:48 PM

Price going up - check
Bears who got left behind spreading fud - check

Could you help is out? Buy a few million.. get us over that $460,-.
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May 09, 2014, 03:39:44 PM

Bears covering before the margin cutoff on Chinese exchanges, May 10.   No more speculative leverage trading that led to the bubble.

They finally realized, BTC is not going below 400 before tomorrow so time to buy back and close their positions.
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May 09, 2014, 03:41:22 PM

Bears covering before the margin cutoff on Chinese exchanges, May 10.   No more speculative leverage trading that led to the bubble.

They finally realized, BTC is not going below 400 before tomorrow so time to buy back and close their positions.

what about longs?
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May 09, 2014, 03:42:24 PM

Low volume: check
Being led by China: check
Right next to log downtrend: check
Took weeks to inch its way up there: check
Just barely in ichimoku cloud: check
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I think this will crawl up in the weekends until it reach 460-470 465?
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