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[EuroTrash]

Did anyone post this one already?

http://redditmetrics.com/r/bitcoin

Trending now! 928 new subscribers today, 578% trend score – Trend thread

Not sure why? Maybe bots are doing this, maybe it's because of Ukrainian bitcoin ATM news, maybe Roger Ver's tweets... Maybe something is about to happen.

I'm liking what that correlates to on the timeline...

Yup. But generally the number of new r/bitcoiners per day is a lagging indicator of the price action, not the other way around. 'Bit like Google Trends. This time it looks like the indicator is skyrocketingwhile the price is slowly, apathically declining on low volume.

Maybe there are external forces at play, causing an influx of new redditors, who are not-yet-adopters.
Or maybe someone is just scripting around creating a large number of accounts, in order to fake a rise in interest which isn't there, so that the bulls can keep on buying while he is selling.
Or maybe an evil internet forum overlord is building his own army of replicants to rule over the sub, by means of hoax posts and upvote/downvote attacks.  

[xyzzy099]

By the way, the word 'anarchy  is ancient (Oxford Dictionary: "mid 16th century [ in English ]: via medieval Latin from Greek anarkhia, from anarkhos, from an- 'without' + arkhos 'chief, ruler').  Proudhon may have been the first to use it as the name of an explicit political model.

I was under the impression that anarchy as a political ideal was the subject under discussion - and I'm pretty sure Proudhon's definition is the one used by anyone who claims to be an anarchist, regardless of whether they favor getting to that state via socialism or libertarianism.

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Explanation

[justusranvier]

Anarchy on a larger scale often arises involuntarily after the collapse of a centralized government with a complex administrative infrastructure

Anarchy does not arise after the collapse of a government.

That's a flawed as saying that atheism arises after a church burns down.

[wachtwoord]

Anarchy on a larger scale often arises involuntarily after the collapse of a centralized government with a complex administrative infrastructure

Anarchy does not arise after the collapse of a government.

That's a flawed as saying that atheism arises after a church burns down.

Haha, a very good analogy

[criptix]

time to say goodbye brazil 

german world cup winner 2014! 

[empowering]

A more decentralised consensus based form of local governance with more resource based focused economy ............. scrap that

4-0  to germany vs brazil in world cup semi's in 25 mins!! wtf?

[Tzupy]

I suggest Brazilians watching this game use more Xanax, alcohol, whatever it takes. 
The alternative would be a rise in suicides, which I strongly disapprove of.

[JorgeStolfi]

A more decentralised consensus based form of local governance with more resource based focused economy ............. scrap that

4-0  to germany vs brazil in world cup semi's in 25 mins!! wtf?

Got a comment on my twitter: "Well, it could be worse. We could be playing against Argentina."

[criptix]

A more decentralised consensus based form of local governance with more resource based focused economy ............. scrap that

4-0  to germany vs brazil in world cup semi's in 25 mins!! wtf?

um 5:0 in 30 min LOL
i dont think that ever happened in a semi final?

[FattyMcButterpants]

I suggest Brazilians watching this game use more Xanax, alcohol, whatever it takes. 
The alternative would be a rise in suicides, which I strongly disapprove of.

yes, this is a massacre. gonna be some unhappy people, perhaps some rioting. seems like rugby scores incoming at this point...

[criptix]

after this match today i strongly believe in wonders and think we will see a 100x fold bubble in 1-2 months 

[xyzzy099]

Anarchy on a larger scale often arises involuntarily after the collapse of a centralized government with a complex administrative infrastructure

Anarchy does not arise after the collapse of a government.

That's a flawed as saying that atheism arises after a church burns down.

Exactly

Despite Jorge's protestations to the contrary, he clearly equates 'anarchy' with 'chaos' in post after post. I'm pretty sure that most people who consider themselves 'anarchists' are not aspiring to maximize the chaos in the world.

Anarchy is order without power. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

[wachtwoord]

I suggest Brazilians watching this game use more Xanax, alcohol, whatever it takes. 
The alternative would be a rise in suicides, which I strongly disapprove of.

yes, this is a massacre. gonna be some unhappy people, perhaps some rioting. seems like rugby scores incoming at this point...

Always fun when the Germans initiate a massacre

[Erdogan]

Anarchy on a larger scale often arises involuntarily after the collapse of a centralized government with a complex administrative infrastructure

Anarchy does not arise after the collapse of a government.

That's a flawed as saying that atheism arises after a church burns down.

Anarchy arise as a result of individuals asserting their rights and taking responsibility for their actions.

An interesting development in Mexico, in the area around the avocado industri. They had rulers in the form of a mafia extended from the government, which took 5 percent from each farmer plus 5 percent on the avocado export bourse. They did this by threatening with violence. The farmers armed themselves and closed the villages at night by placing tractors on the village entrances. The mafia evaporized. As far as I know, noone was harmed in the process of evicting the mafia. That is a step in the anarchist direction.

Edit: Chaos replaced by law.

[JorgeStolfi]

Despite Jorge's protestations to the contrary, he clearly equates 'anarchy' with 'chaos' in post after post. I'm pretty sure that most people who consider themselves 'anarchists' are not aspiring to maximize the chaos in the world.

Anarchy is order without power. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Sigh, again, I wrote

No, by anarchy I mean just the absence of a government and its "monopolistic" courts, police, etc.  I know that anarchists dream of an orderly and free society without government

BUT indeed I believe that anarchy, no matter how it starts, is unsustainable, and is quickly replaced by a government, internal or external; and, in the first case, often an authoritarian government, rather than a democratic one.

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Explanation

[xyzzy099]

Despite Jorge's protestations to the contrary, he clearly equates 'anarchy' with 'chaos' in post after post. I'm pretty sure that most people who consider themselves 'anarchists' are not aspiring to maximize the chaos in the world.

Anarchy is order without power. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Sigh, again, I wrote

No, by anarchy I mean just the absence of a government and its "monopolistic" courts, police, etc.  I know that anarchists dream of an orderly and free society without government

BUT indeed I believe that anarchy, no matter how it starts, is unsustainable, and is quickly replaced by a government, internal or external; and, in the first case, often an authoritarian government, rather than a democratic one.

I think you just tried to redefine your position to something different from all the posts you made before that one here - but even if that is what you believe, then you still don't get the actual meaning of 'anarchy' as most anarchists use that word.  Anarchy is an intentional state that is achieved, not something that just 'happens when a government collapses, etc.'.

As far as the sustainability of an anarchic political equilibrium goes, you may well be right.  I have never seen any state reach a state of anarchy, as I understand it.  Communist governments ostensibly aspire to it, but I think it's clear that none has achieved any such thing so far - and I have never seen any nation with what I would consider a truly libertarian government, let alone an anarcho-libertarian one.

[YogoH]

I work at a hotel and a guy came in that owns a software company that makes software for companies to do payrolls.  We started talking and he brought up how he was going to a national conference where they are learning about bitcoin to incorporate it into their software.  Thought it was interesting.

[Erdogan]

Despite Jorge's protestations to the contrary, he clearly equates 'anarchy' with 'chaos' in post after post. I'm pretty sure that most people who consider themselves 'anarchists' are not aspiring to maximize the chaos in the world.

Anarchy is order without power. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Sigh, again, I wrote

No, by anarchy I mean just the absence of a government and its "monopolistic" courts, police, etc.  I know that anarchists dream of an orderly and free society without government

BUT indeed I believe that anarchy, no matter how it starts, is unsustainable, and is quickly replaced by a government, internal or external; and, in the first case, often an authoritarian government, rather than a democratic one.

I think you just tried to redefine your position to something different from all the posts you made before that one here - but even if that is what you believe, then you still don't get the actual meaning of 'anarchy' as most anarchists use that word.  Anarchy is an intentional state that is achieved, not something that just 'happens when a government collapses, etc.'.

As far as the sustainability of an anarchic political equilibrium goes, you may well be right.  I have never seen any state reach a state of anarchy, as I understand it.  Communist governments ostensibly aspire to it, but I think it's clear that none has achieved any such thing so far - and I have never seen any nation with what I would consider a truly libertarian government, let alone an anarcho-libertarian one.

It could work if extracting the resources from the population cost more than the resources itself. Then the rulers will starve and disappear like vampires in sunlight.