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[Taxidermista]

ye well, first it was China, then Russian, now EU.

USA is next ?

I welcome all government restrictions. Reminds people to not tell how many coins they have.

It is not likee they don't have the means to find out anyhow

Sure, an army of mediums.

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[hodl_2015]

EBA is a post 2008 crisis institution. You could read more here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Banking_Authority

If I read it correctly, the purpose of the EBA was to mandate regulations, to prevent that banks needed to compete with cheaper banks in countries with less regulations. They would have named it European Banking Cartel, but then even the name would have been almost the same as the ECB :-)
It's these guys job to discourage bitcoin, I don't know what took them this long.

[keithers]

Funny btw how nobody cares anymore about the biggest event this year that completely controlled the market for 2 weeks: the price of the sold coins.
100's of posts. It was the most important thing ever. It was the only thing people talked about.
3 days later and nobody gives a shit anymore.

I think its because at the end of the day, the thing that most people care about is the price per BTC. If it would have massively changed the price (positively or negatively), then everyone would still be talking about it. The attention span for events in the crypto world is super short obv.

Happy 4th of July everyone!!

[ImI]

Funny btw how nobody cares anymore about the biggest event this year that completely controlled the market for 2 weeks: the price of the sold coins.
100's of posts. It was the most important thing ever. It was the only thing people talked about.
3 days later and nobody gives a shit anymore.

I think its because at the end of the day, the thing that most people care about is the price per BTC. If it would have massively changed the price (positively or negatively), then everyone would still be talking about it. The attention span for events in the crypto world is super short obv.

Happy 4th of July everyone!!

reason is pretty simple imo. we won't get any price details anytime soon. so its basically a non-event. of course there are good signs like one bidder got it all, but in the end its now just a non-event.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Parazyd]

Is it that time already?

[tarmi]

Predicting the next round of dumps as 640 is crossed based purely on the demoralising aspect.

I say 638.23!

[adamstgBit]

I still firmly believe we will be trading above 800 next week.

resistance is futile

[tarmi]

I still firmly believe we will be trading above 800 next week.

resistance is futile

Even though I'm usually a huge, fucking pessimist I believe this, too.

These drops from the resistance level have as much soul as Berlusconi.

that is because you have never seen live one of his private parties. Berlusconi is one funny mother fucker.

the real panic dump is yet to be seen.

[dgarcia]

I still firmly believe we will be trading above 800 next week.

resistance is futile

Even though I'm usually a huge, fucking pessimist I believe this, too.

These drops from the resistance level have as much soul as Berlusconi.

that is because you have never seen live one of his private parties. Berlusconi is one funny mother fucker.

meaning, we still have to see the real dump.

The devil makes the hottest parties ;-D

[aminorex]

500 should hold for the uptrend to remain in force.

will it go close to that?

There is no substantive resistance between 440 and 650, on the basis of historical trades.  A little around 600 maybe.  so much for technicals.

However, on a fundamental, forward- looking basis, below 600 all it takes is a sneeze and panic compels buying. So no, it won't go close to that.

[Torque]

...try using http://worldbitcoinnetwork.com/BitcoinPriceModel-Alpha.html

God, I hate that site. Right at the center of the snake oil infrastructure of Bitcoin.

This entire circlejerk about the 200 Trillion Coin is so intellectually lazy and deceiving, I personally believe it to be the least ethical side of Bitcoin as a social phenomenon. Yes. Worse than Mtgox, SR and Leah McGrath's doxing of an old dude who had nothing to do with Bitcoin.

Oda, can you explain this comment in more detail?  

Nope, don't even try debating with Oda directly on bitcoin's long term potential.  Not worth the breath.  I'll stop short of calling Oda an outright troll, but shortsighted permabear is adaquate enough of a label.  People who only can calculate to or conceive of the bitcoin market's next hour, or tomorrow at best, will never be able to conceive of what the world of Bitcoin would look like 5 years from now, 10, or even 20.  And day traders could care less anyway, all they care about is how to make their next $100 on a swing.

I have gone back and extensively read forum threads from 2-3 years ago, with bears screaming that bitcoin wouldn't make it to $200/btc even in 10 years, and anyone that disagreed with them was an absolute fool. An utterly pathetic lack of vision from the bear camp, and it will always be that way.  Also, just try calling them out on it years later... they have vanished from the scene by then.  Wonder why?

[CoinHamster]

I still firmly believe we will be trading above 800 next week.

resistance is futile

typo: 800 => 600 
 

[oda.krell]

I hate

Now I feel polluted for having read your post.

Your puerile contempt means squat.  Try facts and sound reasoning next time.

Told you earlier: you went from 'somewhat insightful' to 'cheerleader' in less than half a year. But whatever suits your financial decisions.

...try using http://worldbitcoinnetwork.com/BitcoinPriceModel-Alpha.html

God, I hate that site. Right at the center of the snake oil infrastructure of Bitcoin.

This entire circlejerk about the 200 Trillion Coin is so intellectually lazy and deceiving, I personally believe it to be the least ethical side of Bitcoin as a social phenomenon. Yes. Worse than Mtgox, SR and Leah McGrath's doxing of an old dude who had nothing to do with Bitcoin.

Oda, can you explain this comment in more detail?  

Sure. There is a constant low level, nah, who am I kidding - not at all low level background noise in this forum, "analysis" that applies the crudest forms of approximations and extrapolations in one way, and one way only: to find justifications for why the only possible outcome is a per coin value somewhere north of a million dollar (or perhaps $100k, if you're really bearish).

By itself, that's perhaps just wishful thinking. But in combination with the constant droning reminder "never sell, always hold", I consider it more malicious than just delusional.

To be clear: I don't rule out substantially higher valuations. I just despise the fake certainty with which those predictions are presented by the usual suspects, and the aggressiveness with which less optimistic predictions are met. The crypto capitalization event itself dosn't need to be a Ponzie, but a subset of users in here sure are trying their best to make it look like one.

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Sure. There is a constant low level, nah, who am I kidding - not at all low level background noise in this forum, "analysis" that applies the crudest forms of approximations and extrapolations in one way, and one way only: to find justifications for why the only possible outcome is a per coin value somewhere north of a million dollar (or perhaps $100k, if you're really bearish).

By itself, that's perhaps just wishful thinking. But in combination with the constant droning reminder "never sell, always hold", I consider it more malicious than just delusional.

To be clear: I don't rule out substantially higher valuations. I just despise the fake certainty with which those predictions are presented by the usual suspects, and the aggressiveness with which less optimistic predictions are met. The crypto capitalization event itself dosn't need to be a Ponzie, but a subset of users in here sure are trying their best to make it look like one.

[ChartBuddy]

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[oda.krell]

Nope, don't even try debating with Oda directly on bitcoin's long term potential.  Not worth the breath.  I'll stop short of calling Oda an outright troll, but shortsighted permabear is adaquate enough of a label.

You string words together, but there is no thought at all behind them, huh?

You have very clearly no idea of what my ideas are about the long term prospect of Bitcoin. But in a way I'm happy you posted - you're an excellent example of what I described in my post right above: you're one of those in here for whom any perceived opposition to the only possible outcome of the million dollar coin must be met with the utmost contempt ("permabear", "troll", "shortsighted").

Never let facts or reasoning get in the way of a good dream.

[dgarcia]

Nope, don't even try debating with Oda directly on bitcoin's long term potential.  Not worth the breath.  I'll stop short of calling Oda an outright troll, but shortsighted permabear is adaquate enough of a label.

You string words together, but there is no thought at all behind them, huh?

You have very clearly no idea of what my ideas are about the long term prospect of Bitcoin. But in a way I'm happy you posted - you're an excellent example of what I described in my post right above: you're one of those in here for whom any perceived opposition to the only possible outcome of the million dollar coin must be met with the utmost contempt ("permabear", "troll", "shortsighted").

Never let facts or reasoning get in the way of a good dream.

Could you please link me your long term ideas? Anytime I'm interested in non-trolling alternative views...

[oda.krell]

Nope, don't even try debating with Oda directly on bitcoin's long term potential.  Not worth the breath.  I'll stop short of calling Oda an outright troll, but shortsighted permabear is adaquate enough of a label.

You string words together, but there is no thought at all behind them, huh?

You have very clearly no idea of what my ideas are about the long term prospect of Bitcoin. But in a way I'm happy you posted - you're an excellent example of what I described in my post right above: you're one of those in here for whom any perceived opposition to the only possible outcome of the million dollar coin must be met with the utmost contempt ("permabear", "troll", "shortsighted").

Never let facts or reasoning get in the way of a good dream.

Could you please link me your long term ideas? Anytime I'm interested in non-trolling alternative views...

I avoid technical predictions that go further into the future than a month or two, and definitely can't provide a price target for 2015 based on them. Otherwise you get silly threads like the loglinear extrapolation threads that present a (debatable, but itself worthy of consideration) model, and then are full of people tripping over each other misinterpreting and misapplying those models: "We are now 0.4 log delta below the trendline, which means: we can only go up!".

I wrote what you could call a post on fundamentals here, dismissing the idea that Bitcoin "only has speculative value", arriving at an absolute lower bound of around $2000 in case the rather likely scenario I describe becomes true (that Bitcoin commercial transfer volume will be at least as high as that of Paypal last year.)

[KFR]

Nope, don't even try debating with Oda directly on bitcoin's long term potential.  Not worth the breath.  I'll stop short of calling Oda an outright troll, but shortsighted permabear is adaquate enough of a label.

You string words together, but there is no thought at all behind them, huh?

You have very clearly no idea of what my ideas are about the long term prospect of Bitcoin. But in a way I'm happy you posted - you're an excellent example of what I described in my post right above: you're one of those in here for whom any perceived opposition to the only possible outcome of the million dollar coin must be met with the utmost contempt ("permabear", "troll", "shortsighted").

Never let facts or reasoning get in the way of a good dream.

So you treat their contempt with... contempt?