Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[empowering]

BABA = totally nutz

Wonder if the $68  IPO - will turn to $100 per share by the end of the day.....


at this rate they will have a cap similar to Walmart...  crazy

Let the retail fun start.....

Opened seconds ago!!  Opened at $92.70

Billions just got made on a 24 hr flip   fuckers I think it is more like 10 thieves that forty ; )

Let the games begin, and in a few weeks... the options will come..  ha

just a few cents fom $100 already !

Pump it UP

 Lol.

 It takes this much of a once/twice-per-decade equities event to lurch you guys out of your cryptobubble stupor..?

 

 Wake up. Fiat assets have VOLUME. As many orders of magnitude more than BTC markets do, as BTC/USD markets themselves have in comparison to BTC/Altcoin ones. This means even though it's all old, musty, bankster-smelly & regulated, all that volume is able to MOVE prices every day.

 And they offer -LEVERAGE-, real leverage, from 1:15 to 1:50/100 to 1:500 & even 1:1000 (beyond that much means it's scam brokers/websites though so be wary). This means see that $75-77 per FB share up there, 2 weeks after it hit a temporary bottom of $62..? You can multiply that ~20% gain by 15 at 1:15 leverage. Plus500, AvaFX & InstaForex offer 1:20 to 1:50 for individual stock CFD's, and up to 1:100/300 for Stock Index CFD's like Dow-Jones, British FTSE, NASDAQ, etc. 15 x 20% is 300%. 50 x 20% makes 1000%. Just because of one predictably good Quarterly Earnings results that everyone & their mother expected to be.

 The 3 services mentioned above offer BTC withdrawal/deposits. The one I've used since early this year, 1Broker, uses ONLY instant BTC deposits/withdrawals & thus has users trade in btc-denominated positions, and profits / losses / account balances, not an ounce of fiat anywhere except in the fiat-priced traditional forex assets live feeds, of course.

 Crypto is awesome, but cryptotrading has done nothing but lose me, and a larger-than-average % of leverage traders, our money, while, for leveraged trading at least (aka the only way to really make bank without waiting a decade), fiat-asset trading offers a lot more leverage and volume, giving us small-timers the opportunity to close positions with small profits every day, compounding to consistent wealth over time, without idling for months and years in the dark waiting for 'a miraculous bitcoin moonbubble just one more time'.

Leverage... not a fan unless we are talking low(ish) leverage on Silver at its lows

So you are saying that Bitcoin is a small market?  I had not noticed that in all of the time I have been involved with Bitcoin, stocks, commodities.... well  I guess you learn something new everyday.

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[Chuckee]

Why are we hanging around $400 now? Prices are way too high still. Last winter, $400 would have sounded good... but a year of bear market later, $400 for a digital token sounds like a joke. Nobody will be buying at these prices!

Given the market sentiment, the "true value" should be no more than $250 right now, so we still have quite a ways to go.

Are you really that stupid?

  Being called "stupid" by this clown  

I've been right about the price in every single statement I've made, and you're never far behind to tell me I'm wrong, this is a great buying opportunity, etc.

Seriously, do you have some kind of brain damage, or a memory problem which prevents you from remembering anything you said more than 24 hours ago? Because how you can call me stupid... lmfao.

[keithers]

trying to buy some btc now, but coinbase just went down lol

[nycgoat]

Browsing idly through https://btc.blockr.io/ I found a page with the highest fees paid.  There is one transaction with 200 BTC real outputs and a 200 BTC fee, in 2013-Aug-28:

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/4ed20e0768124bc67dc684d57941be1482ccdaa45dadb64be12afba8c8554537

It pulled 10 inputs of 20 BTC and one of ~301 BTC (1AUyzod...), paid 20 outputs of 20 BTC and a change-back of ~101 BTC (to 1AUyzod...).

Price was ~120 USD/BTC then, so it was a 24'000 USD tip for the lucky miner.  That must have been a mistake by the user, right?

Yes, and Friedcat gave back the transaction fee I believe.

[QuestionAuthority]

Share now trading at $96.42 a share, up more than 40%.

Holy crap..

It actually opened at $92.

What is this alibaba IPO thing anyway??

What has it to do with crypto?

This BABA IPO has just turned Alibaba into one of the biggest companies in the world, at current cap , almost bigger than Amazon and Ebay together...
Chinese company, with "worlds biggest digital ecosystem" they are like a mixture between Ebay, Paypal, Facebook and Youtube..
 there is a possibility some BTC holders sold (the dip yesterday) to get some liquid funds today to ride what I think is going to be a pump today/this week. If they flip on the pump then they (being any BTC holders playing this trade) could return with their profits.

Options start in a few weeks,  think this is going to be rocky ride for BABA.

Also down the line if Alibaba become BTC friendly... it could be a good thing... at the moment they are anti BTC.

I think you're dreaming. Real investors don't give an ideological rats ass about Bitcoin. They will just take their money and move to the next big investment.

Dreaming about what? I am talking about BTC holders that are also speculators ... am I dreaming that there are speculators involved in Bitcoin, and Chinese speculators involved in Bitcoin? do you think? I do not think so.

Is it improbable that a Chinese/American speculator that is speculating in Bitcoin, might just be interested in one of the biggest IPO's of all time and the biggest IPO of a Chinese company ever?  

I think it is quite likely that a) some Chinese/Global BTC owners, (and BTC holders in general) are speculators and that some of those speculators would be interested in speculating in the biggest Chinese IPO ever , it is a tech company, and chinese one at that.... or do you suppose that speculators in BTC are only interested in BTC? I think not... not all but some, and more likely ones with deep pockets will be interested in speculating in different and interesting markets...  especially a quick opportunity to flip the pump (launched at $92.70 and spiked to $99.5 in minutes before a sell off... that there is profit)

Speculators like profit, some speculators are BTC speculators, = BABA IPO 1st day retail pump = opportunity to speculate and profit.

I don't think they will come running back to Bitcoin just because Bitcoin. The money will flow wherever there is a large quick profit.

Maybe... maybe not that much is in question.. but not inconceivable if they were speculators in BTC in the first place that they play their hand and take their profit... some of it coudl well end up ina hole in the water fund, and some of it could end up back in BTC...  people juggle y'know... I know I do when it is the right thing to do, not with BTC, but then I am not everyone.

You're right. Some of them might come back. I just think big money follows profit.

[esse83]

TRENDON SHAVERS, BITCOIN PONZI SCHEMER, CHARGED $40 MILLION FINE

nice

http://insidebitcoins.com/trendon-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-schemer-charged-40-million-fine/

[QuestionAuthority]

TRENDON SHAVERS, BITCOIN PONZI SCHEMER, CHARGED $40 MILLION FINE

nice

Link please.

[Chalkbot]

Browsing idly through https://btc.blockr.io/ I found a page with the highest fees paid.  There is one transaction with 200 BTC real outputs and a 200 BTC fee, in 2013-Aug-28:

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/4ed20e0768124bc67dc684d57941be1482ccdaa45dadb64be12afba8c8554537

It pulled 10 inputs of 20 BTC and one of ~301 BTC (1AUyzod...), paid 20 outputs of 20 BTC and a change-back of ~101 BTC (to 1AUyzod...).

Price was ~120 USD/BTC then, so it was a 24'000 USD tip for the lucky miner.  That must have been a mistake by the user, right?

Yes, and Friedcat gave back the transaction fee I believe.

I recall this as well. It was a mistake, the block was mined by Asicminer, and the fee was returned to the owner.

[S3052]

Has this become an Alibaba thread, or a lawsuit thread.

I thought it was about BTC price movements.

[QuestionAuthority]

Has this become an Alibaba thread, or a lawsuit thread.

I thought it was about BTC price movements.

Really? I thought it was a place for Adam to troll without being banned? 

[Chalkbot]

Has this become an Alibaba thread, or a lawsuit thread.

I thought it was about BTC price movements.

Really? I thought it was a place for Adam to troll without being banned? 

I thought it was a place for shills to earn their paychecks?

[Davyd05]

A lil bit of column a, lil bit of column b and heck why not c-z as well.

[adamstgBit]

TRENDON SHAVERS, BITCOIN PONZI SCHEMER, CHARGED $40 MILLION FINE

nice

http://insidebitcoins.com/trendon-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-schemer-charged-40-million-fine/

thats alot of money.

how do they expect him to pay?

[QuestionAuthority]

Has this become an Alibaba thread, or a lawsuit thread.

I thought it was about BTC price movements.

Really? I thought it was a place for Adam to troll without being banned? 

I thought it was a place for shills to earn their paychecks?

I think that's called CoinDesk.

http://www.coindesk.com

[Walsoraj]

TRENDON SHAVERS, BITCOIN PONZI SCHEMER, CHARGED $40 MILLION FINE

nice

http://insidebitcoins.com/trendon-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-schemer-charged-40-million-fine/

thats alot of money.

how do they expect him to pay?

Probably by starting another ponzi.

[btcney]

400 and nobody dares to buy above it. 1 dump and we're on our way to 350.
I wonder if those in denial are finally starting to see what i mean. It isn't going up anymore after you got your cheap coins. Those days are over. No more free money. You destroyed something amazing with idiotic trading and dumping and obsessing over cheap coins.
But whatever. Just keep cheering every time we go down.

The sad part is even if we do go up again you will all do it again. You will keep doing this till Bitcoin is completely dead. Only then will you people be satisfied.
It's so bad that such an amazing technology has to suffer because of endless amounts of greed.

Deal with it and profit as long as you can.

[QuestionAuthority]

TRENDON SHAVERS, BITCOIN PONZI SCHEMER, CHARGED $40 MILLION FINE

nice

http://insidebitcoins.com/trendon-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-schemer-charged-40-million-fine/

thats alot of money.

how do they expect him to pay?

He's going to pay it off in hemorrhoids. He gets a dollar taken off his fine for each hemorrhoid his roommate bubba pops.

[Newbie1022]

I wonder if this all is due to the new derivatives approved for Bitcoin approved by the CFTC. Basically, a big player takes a bunch of naked CDSs on Bitcoin (about 100 insurance policies per reference base) and crashes it intentionally. If somebody did that it would be a guaranteed massive profit.

I don't think that's it as this is such a new market, but this is an old Wall Street game that has been played with the other commodities. Note that since Wall Street entered, the price has dropped almost $300 (nearly 50%). You are all getting f---ed, you know.

[adamstgBit]

I wonder if this all is due to the new derivatives approved for Bitcoin approved by the CFTC. Basically, a big player takes a bunch of naked CDSs on Bitcoin (about 100 insurance policies per reference base) and crashes it intentionally. If somebody did that it would be a guaranteed massive profit.

I don't think that's it as this is such a new market, but this is an old Wall Street game that has been played with the other commodities. Note that since Wall Street entered, the price has dropped almost $300 (nearly 50%). You are all getting f---ed, you know.

they said they would do it

and here we are.

[Argwai96]

Note that since Wall Street entered, the price has dropped almost $300 (nearly 50%). You are all getting f---ed, you know.

What do you mean since Wall Street entered? Did Wall Street make an announcement that they were entering the bitcoin market? There's FIG and SM but those are pretty LOL.