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September 26, 2014, 01:20:50 PM


well I think most of you Bitcoin cultists refuse to be objective, and considering the fact that most of you call Bitcoin the most important innovation after internet, I would just like to point out that TCP/IP protocol didn't change much in a decade or so.... and no, Google is very very bad example in this case, we are talking about protocols that we can build on..

I would say Bitcoin is a larger innovation than the internet really (of course it is dependent on it).

how can it be larger than it if it is dependent on it, where you came up with this logic ? listen to your self really.

Because the innovation is bigger? Innovation as the jump from the previous plateau. Of course the transistor is a larger innovation than both (and arguably the largest innovation in human history).
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well I think most of you Bitcoin cultists refuse to be objective, and considering the fact that most of you call Bitcoin the most important innovation after internet, I would just like to point out that TCP/IP protocol didn't change much in a decade or so.... and no, Google is very very bad example in this case, we are talking about protocols that we can build on..

I would say Bitcoin is a larger innovation than the internet really (of course it is dependent on it).

how can it be larger than it if it is dependent on it, where you came up with this logic ? listen to your self really.

Obviously means in some abstract sense not physical extent.  But of course, his statement is meaningless without the additional details.  An example could be "I believe that Bitcoin is larger in the sense that it will transfer more value than the internet does today (without bitcoin),"  or "I believe the market caps of "bitcoin companies" will ultimately exceed that of "internet companies"".

For example, "Internet" companies have exceeded the market cap of "telecom companies", and most people would characterize the internet industry as "larger", yet the internet runs on telecom provided physical cables.
 
Anyway, you get the idea...

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September 26, 2014, 01:26:53 PM

I noticed a pattern.

too much talk in this thread = going sideways
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September 26, 2014, 01:28:08 PM

I guess the fake bid wall at 400 got pulled and reset at 390?
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September 26, 2014, 01:46:41 PM

shell shock news effecting price?

maybe..
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September 26, 2014, 01:53:27 PM

shell shock news effecting price?

maybe..
Doubtful, you know that blank look you get when non-techies hear "command line"...

exactly they don't understand and fear sets in.
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September 26, 2014, 01:54:19 PM

wtf is taking so long for my fiat transfer  Cry
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September 26, 2014, 01:55:24 PM

wtf is taking so long for my fiat transfer  Cry

Should have used Bitcoin  Wink
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September 26, 2014, 01:55:33 PM

Shell shock?
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September 26, 2014, 01:57:29 PM

Shell shock?

a general bug they found on linux's bash allowing hackers to run commands remotely. no reported comparisons as of yet, bash getting patched.
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September 26, 2014, 02:00:16 PM


This is you just backing out of the argument. I would love to get into specifics. Btw I am not heavily invested in bitcoin. I have a few but even if the bullish prediction of the vinklevii comes true it won't really change my life.

I am however massively excited about the possibilities provided by cryptocurrencies.
You know I don't have to subscribe to bitcoin as the winning ledger (yes, ledger not protocol) to believe in cryptos.


ok you've got my intention there, this suggest that you have most of the issues figured out, how do you think we will solve:

1-The Block size limit when the number of transaction/minute is 100 times higher than today.




2-The block chain size when it exceeds 200GB or 1TB ? most users or services will have to use clusters of storage, if the adoption rate picks up this has to be fixed really fast.



running a bitcoin node consume so much resources (bandwidth consumption and memory, mempool containing unspent Txid) how do you think a normal user will have to deal with these issues, he will have to use centralized wallets and services which against the fundamentals that Bitcoin was created for in the first place.

3-The energy waste, it has been known that when the price goes up mining becomes more profitable and more resources are brought online...resources that most of us consider wasted, as of today the hashrate is more that 250 Petahash/s, assuming that the worst chip on the network consume 0.5w/ghs (which is way too optimistic) this means that at this point miners consume way more than 125 hourly Megawatts... just FYI a typical nuclear plant produce from 500-2000 hourly Megawatts.


4-DDOS attacks: when Bitcoin become bigger, there will be Big services that run the Bitcoind in order to offer their services, organized groups can run denial of service attacks against these services, you can read more about how they can do it in that wiki I provided before.

5-Malleability issue, and don't tell me it is not an issue, because it really is, and it is not fixed yet, they just found some work around it.



6-Double Spending, even if you don't have 51% of the network you can perform double spending with as little as 25% of the network, and this did happen before


7- The 51% attack, we all know what it is, it is achievable, any government can achieve it if they want to kill Bitcoin, even at this point.


8-man in the middle or packet sniffing, also described in that wiki.



There many more issues, but these are the one that concerns me for now. now I would like to hear your solutions.

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September 26, 2014, 02:01:19 PM


Explanation
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September 26, 2014, 02:13:09 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
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September 26, 2014, 02:14:22 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
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no.
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September 26, 2014, 02:17:05 PM

Shell shock?

a general bug they found on linux's bash allowing hackers to run commands remotely. no reported comparisons as of yet, bash getting patched.

Why would that have anything to do with the price?
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September 26, 2014, 02:17:15 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
lol
no.

I didn't either...
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September 26, 2014, 02:18:26 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
lol
no.

For Doge? These guys aren't completely retarded, they are actually pretty smart. Doge is something with a terminal value of zero. You do the math.
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September 26, 2014, 02:20:39 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
lol
no.

For Doge? These guys aren't completely retarded, they are actually pretty smart. Doge is something with a terminal value of zero. You do the math.

I think I keep about 1.1M of them somewhere in this hoarding mess... Maybe I must change my nick to Winklesga or something... Grin
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September 26, 2014, 02:20:42 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
lol
no.

For Doge? These guys aren't completely retarded, they are actually pretty smart. Doge is something with a terminal value of zero. You do the math.
I'm very happy to have bought a few of those shitcoins @ 25
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September 26, 2014, 02:21:45 PM

I have this crazy idea that the Winklevoss bros are selling their stash for DOGE...  Grin Adam, did you SODL yet or...?
lol
no.

For Doge? These guys aren't completely retarded, they are actually pretty smart. Doge is something with a terminal value of zero. You do the math.

I think I keep about 1.1M of them somewhere in this hoarding mess... Maybe I must change my nick to Winklesga or something... Grin

Be sure to sell them at some point. Doge, just like fiat, will be inflated indefinitely and is therefore inherently worthless. Have fun speculating Smiley
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