[NEW XBY ANN] XTRABYTES - BECAUSE THE BLOCKCHAIN CAN BE BETTER

[bigboss154]

Most investors care about coin supply, it is one of the most brought up things regarding future price talks and growth. You can disagree with that mindset (and I understand where you are coming from) , but that is just the way it is. Borz has said he plans on making XBY fully open source once the network is operational, there is no centralized planning or decision making after that happens. Leveled nodes are a moot point, even if there was only 1 level at 10k XBY each, you would still have the same amount of coins out of circulation if it was full.

[Fatoshi]

Ccrev does not understand crypto. He seems to think you can build a corporation around an open source company. Guess what? Hes stupid....thats why everyone left.

Quit fighting him anymore. He will always be stupid and defend his position that dosesnt exist and he will continue to drag a great tech innovation into the dollar store level of crassness. It is what it is. Im just glad not to have to listen to the guy talk utter bullshit anymore and smile.

[smokim87]

Ccrev does not understand crypto. He seems to think you can build a corporation around an open source company. Guess what? Hes stupid....thats why everyone left.

Quit fighting him anymore. He will always be stupid and defend his position that dosesnt exist and he will continue to drag a great tech innovation into the dollar store level of crassness. It is what it is. Im just glad not to have to listen to the guy talk utter bullshit anymore and smile.

Who left? Names please from slack?

[thetruthhurtsss]

jhar
sam
rule
vanfly

previously:

ccn
fishfishfish
eggsandspamm

[XBY_Gar]

I can understand Borzalom making the calls and CCR is the middleman here, which is a tough job. With that in mind it's even more important to find out more about Borzalom's experiences because it feels like we're playing a dangerous game of faith.

[bigboss154]

I can understand Borzalom making the calls and CCR is the middleman here, which is a tough job. With that in mind it's even more important to find out more about Borzalom's experiences because it feels like we're playing a dangerous game of faith.

Take a look at one of the first videos on the youtube channel and through his post history here.

Edit: May have misinterpreted your post actually.

[smokim87]

jhar
sam
rule
vanfly

previously:

ccn
fishfishfish
eggsandspamm

I know ccn left along time ago, was in slack still. Surprised jhar left, did not know. Sad to see vanfly leave, pretty good at what he did.

Did most recent leave due to Xfuel idea? Seems alot goes on in Slack which I was hoping we'd see more of it here instead.

[thetruthhurtsss]

jhar
sam
rule
vanfly

previously:

ccn
fishfishfish
eggsandspamm

I know ccn left along time ago, was in slack still. Surprised jhar left, did not know. Sad to see vanfly leave, pretty good at what he did.

Did most recent leave due to Xfuel idea? Seems alot goes on in Slack which I was hoping we'd see more of it here instead.

main reason is ccr's dictatorship and idiocy. this guy is a loon. nobody can work with him. BUT also many don't agree with borzalom who seems not to understand economic basics and is under ccr's control (see xfuel for example). that ccr is dump as a bucket of shrimp was clear at the beginning. not only board but also big early investors want to leave, including me.

[dontknowwhy]

Regardless of all of this fighting I’ve bought tiny amount. Hopefully this argument can be settled then I’d get more

[Fatoshi]

Regardless of all of this fighting I’ve bought tiny amount. Hopefully this argument can be settled then I’d get more

No argument. Everyone has just accepted Ccrev wont ever leave even if everyone hates him and leaves. We can pit tis community coin nonsense behind us now. All blame is only on ccrev now.

[tjeff]

Okay so I've been around for a long time.  So here's some hard truths about XBY. 

1)  Dave (ccrevolution) is not suited for his position.  He is incompetent as a leader, marketer and general human being.  He doesn't understand crypto, it's culture or even the basics of how it functions as an economy.  HE creates the fud.  It's not the other way around.  People aren't just randomly picking on the project.  Ccr is creating it with his deplorable leadership skills, lack of communication, and general lack of respect for crypto culture.  I was there the day DutchDude was created, that all started with simple real questions about XBY and Dave flipped out and banned him, starting a forever spiral of fud/antifud comments.  Why did this happen?  It's simple, Dave is not suited for the market he's trying to sell to.  He can't explain simple concepts about his product because he DOES NOT KNOW.  And the only one who does is borz (I'll get to him in a second)

2)  The yes-men conundrum.  The fact of the matter is, the only people shilling this still are total idiots and people who bought in high who and are looking for their dump point.  This includes the people that Dave surrounds himself with within the board and the ardent supporters here on BCT and on the slack.  Just as this post will be attacked so will anyone who asks hard questions in the slack.

3)  The scam.  How is this a scam?  You ask.  Well it's simple really when you think about it.  The XBY core and the XFUEL core are not in public repo on github, and the node structure is ridiculous.

a)  Public repo.  There is absolutely NO PROOF OF TECHNOLOGY without public repos.  That's a simple fact.  They are marketing XFUEL as proof of posign, fine then release it so I and other crypto programmers can review the code.  Oh but no, we can't do that because we might fork it?  What kind of logic is that?  Everything that is good in crypto is forked, period.  Programmer's have public repos of their code both within and outside of crypto.  Having it public has not hurt a single coin out there.  No but bad marketing and mismanagement has.  So really at the end of the day, if there's no public repo this all exists in the fantasy land of theory.  Nice theory, now prove it.

b)  The Nodes.  First the registration process for the nodes it totally ridiculous.  THAT is poor programming.  And other than 'because' there's not been offered a good reason on why the registration process isn't more like DASH.  Then the lvl 2 comes along before lvl 1's are even operational.  Then lo and behold, lvl 3's appear on the horizon... but, but what about lvl 1?  No that's still a long ways off.  So no functioning nodes?  They lock up your coin for literally nothing.  Charge you for the pleasure of not having liquid xby.  Then the glorious pyramid scheme structure.  Really bravo, you are selling people literally nothing, no finished product and to top it off it's a pyramid scheme.  Lets have a look at lvl 1's again, they aren't showing you how many have broken.  Without that transparency in place this whole thing stinks of a scam.

4)  The mysterious borz.  The cult of borz is sickening.  Especially when there isn't any proof of anything.  He doesn't have a public repo showing his past work beyond the coin burn, which by itself is suspicious.  Then there's the fact that his judgement is clearly flawed by allowing a clown to run the front of the shop.  He won't communicate with the community about his vision.  All we get out of him is a basic theory, not even attempting to explain the greater details of how posign works.  There's a great many people within the community who aren't drooling idiots, and to assume 'they just won't understand' is the height of arrogance.  So is it just arrogance or the fact that he can't even explain?  He can't or he won't.  It's one of the two.  Personally a 'genius' god like programmer who doesn't share his genius, isn't a genius at all.  Furthermore, how in the world can someone be an economic genius when they clearly doesn't have any grasp of economics, see the XFUEL roll out. 

5)  The lack of transparency.  There is no transparency with XBY it's all diversion, stalling and silence.  The fact is they call this a community coin without taking input from the community.  The community has no say.  How about just being honest and saying that it's NOT a community coin, that dave/borz is the alpha and omega of XBY and that's all there is to it. 

6)  The Static node holders.  When founded they got a vote.  That was the deal.  There was at least some amount of governance by allowing them to have a vote in the future of the coin.  That is not the case any longer, and hasn't been for some time.  That needs to be set to rights, they need to have their vote in the direction of XBY, because clearly Dave does NOT have the best interests of XBY at heart.  Also exactly how many of you are left?  I know for a FACT the site isn't updating the current number.  Again where is the transparency?   

7)  The absolute mismanagement of funds.  There IS A DEVELOPER FUND.  And Dave refuses to use it.  Instead Dave comes up with the scam shitcoin XFUEL.  And then he is a FOUNDER and yet claims he is exempt from helping to pay for the development of HIS coin.  No, this is nothing more than scam.  And the beautiful icing on this shitcoin cake, he won't share his wallet address.  Developers and founders throughout crypto show their addresses for the sake of transparency and to build trust.  What makes him so special?  He has a crazy number of nodes, or does he?  Has he been dumping all along?  Who knows, because he is not TRANSPARENT.

In conclusion,
In the real business, corporate world he would have been removed already on the mismanagement of funds alone.  Add to that the mismanagement of the marketing and general mismanagement of the board and community it's literally amazing that this guy is still in place.  Since it's inception somewhere around ten board members have stepped down because he is impossible to work with.  How in the world is this a good investment when it's run by such a horrible manager and it is literally NO product?

[everythingisgreat]

Okay so I've been around for a long time.  So here's some hard truths about XBY. 

1)  Dave (ccrevolution) is not suited for his position.  He is incompetent as a leader, marketer and general human being.  He doesn't understand crypto, it's culture or even the basics of how it functions as an economy.  HE creates the fud.  It's not the other way around.  People aren't just randomly picking on the project.  Ccr is creating it with his deplorable leadership skills, lack of communication, and general lack of respect for crypto culture.  I was there the day DutchDude was created, that all started with simple real questions about XBY and Dave flipped out and banned him, starting a forever spiral of fud/antifud comments.  Why did this happen?  It's simple, Dave is not suited for the market he's trying to sell to.  He can't explain simple concepts about his product because he DOES NOT KNOW.  And the only one who does is borz (I'll get to him in a second)

2)  The yes-men conundrum.  The fact of the matter is, the only people shilling this still are total idiots and people who bought in high who and are looking for their dump point.  This includes the people that Dave surrounds himself with within the board and the ardent supporters here on BCT and on the slack.  Just as this post will be attacked so will anyone who asks hard questions in the slack.

3)  The scam.  How is this a scam?  You ask.  Well it's simple really when you think about it.  The XBY core and the XFUEL core are not in public repo on github, and the node structure is ridiculous.

a)  Public repo.  There is absolutely NO PROOF OF TECHNOLOGY without public repos.  That's a simple fact.  They are marketing XFUEL as proof of posign, fine then release it so I and other crypto programmers can review the code.  Oh but no, we can't do that because we might fork it?  What kind of logic is that?  Everything that is good in crypto is forked, period.  Programmer's have public repos of their code both within and outside of crypto.  Having it public has not hurt a single coin out there.  No but bad marketing and mismanagement has.  So really at the end of the day, if there's no public repo this all exists in the fantasy land of theory.  Nice theory, now prove it.

b)  The Nodes.  First the registration process for the nodes it totally ridiculous.  THAT is poor programming.  And other than 'because' there's not been offered a good reason on why the registration process isn't more like DASH.  Then the lvl 2 comes along before lvl 1's are even operational.  Then lo and behold, lvl 3's appear on the horizon... but, but what about lvl 1?  No that's still a long ways off.  So no functioning nodes?  They lock up your coin for literally nothing.  Charge you for the pleasure of not having liquid xby.  Then the glorious pyramid scheme structure.  Really bravo, you are selling people literally nothing, no finished product and to top it off it's a pyramid scheme.  Lets have a look at lvl 1's again, they aren't showing you how many have broken.  Without that transparency in place this whole thing stinks of a scam.

4)  The mysterious borz.  The cult of borz is sickening.  Especially when there isn't any proof of anything.  He doesn't have a public repo showing his past work beyond the coin burn, which by itself is suspicious.  Then there's the fact that his judgement is clearly flawed by allowing a clown to run the front of the shop.  He won't communicate with the community about his vision.  All we get out of him is a basic theory, not even attempting to explain the greater details of how posign works.  There's a great many people within the community who aren't drooling idiots, and to assume 'they just won't understand' is the height of arrogance.  So is it just arrogance or the fact that he can't even explain?  He can't or he won't.  It's one of the two.  Personally a 'genius' god like programmer who doesn't share his genius, isn't a genius at all.  Furthermore, how in the world can someone be an economic genius when they clearly doesn't have any grasp of economics, see the XFUEL roll out. 

5)  The lack of transparency.  There is no transparency with XBY it's all diversion, stalling and silence.  The fact is they call this a community coin without taking input from the community.  The community has no say.  How about just being honest and saying that it's NOT a community coin, that dave/borz is the alpha and omega of XBY and that's all there is to it. 

6)  The Static node holders.  When founded they got a vote.  That was the deal.  There was at least some amount of governance by allowing them to have a vote in the future of the coin.  That is not the case any longer, and hasn't been for some time.  That needs to be set to rights, they need to have their vote in the direction of XBY, because clearly Dave does NOT have the best interests of XBY at heart.  Also exactly how many of you are left?  I know for a FACT the site isn't updating the current number.  Again where is the transparency?   

7)  The absolute mismanagement of funds.  There IS A DEVELOPER FUND.  And Dave refuses to use it.  Instead Dave comes up with the scam shitcoin XFUEL.  And then he is a FOUNDER and yet claims he is exempt from helping to pay for the development of HIS coin.  No, this is nothing more than scam.  And the beautiful icing on this shitcoin cake, he won't share his wallet address.  Developers and founders throughout crypto show their addresses for the sake of transparency and to build trust.  What makes him so special?  He has a crazy number of nodes, or does he?  Has he been dumping all along?  Who knows, because he is not TRANSPARENT.

In conclusion,
In the real business, corporate world he would have been removed already on the mismanagement of funds alone.  Add to that the mismanagement of the marketing and general mismanagement of the board and community it's literally amazing that this guy is still in place.  Since it's inception somewhere around ten board members have stepped down because he is impossible to work with.  How in the world is this a good investment when it's run by such a horrible manager and it is literally NO product?

This is the type of post that is actually helpful to the conversation.  Unlike the name calling, insulting and general disregard for other individuals.  I think some important points are raised here and are done so in a way that need to be responded to in the same manner.  There is nothing wrong with civil discourse about what is happening with this coin.  With a clear and concise response the community can feel comfortable holding onto XBY for the long haul.

[cryptofinch]

I agree this is exactly what this coin needs.  It's mature and to the point.  We need more highlighting of the real problems rather than running around like children throwing a tantrum so they can be addressed and hopefully fixed.

[smokim87]

Okay so I've been around for a long time.  So here's some hard truths about XBY. 

1)  Dave (ccrevolution) is not suited for his position.  He is incompetent as a leader, marketer and general human being.  He doesn't understand crypto, it's culture or even the basics of how it functions as an economy.  HE creates the fud.  It's not the other way around.  People aren't just randomly picking on the project.  Ccr is creating it with his deplorable leadership skills, lack of communication, and general lack of respect for crypto culture.  I was there the day DutchDude was created, that all started with simple real questions about XBY and Dave flipped out and banned him, starting a forever spiral of fud/antifud comments.  Why did this happen?  It's simple, Dave is not suited for the market he's trying to sell to.  He can't explain simple concepts about his product because he DOES NOT KNOW.  And the only one who does is borz (I'll get to him in a second)

2)  The yes-men conundrum.  The fact of the matter is, the only people shilling this still are total idiots and people who bought in high who and are looking for their dump point.  This includes the people that Dave surrounds himself with within the board and the ardent supporters here on BCT and on the slack.  Just as this post will be attacked so will anyone who asks hard questions in the slack.

3)  The scam.  How is this a scam?  You ask.  Well it's simple really when you think about it.  The XBY core and the XFUEL core are not in public repo on github, and the node structure is ridiculous.

a)  Public repo.  There is absolutely NO PROOF OF TECHNOLOGY without public repos.  That's a simple fact.  They are marketing XFUEL as proof of posign, fine then release it so I and other crypto programmers can review the code.  Oh but no, we can't do that because we might fork it?  What kind of logic is that?  Everything that is good in crypto is forked, period.  Programmer's have public repos of their code both within and outside of crypto.  Having it public has not hurt a single coin out there.  No but bad marketing and mismanagement has.  So really at the end of the day, if there's no public repo this all exists in the fantasy land of theory.  Nice theory, now prove it.

b)  The Nodes.  First the registration process for the nodes it totally ridiculous.  THAT is poor programming.  And other than 'because' there's not been offered a good reason on why the registration process isn't more like DASH.  Then the lvl 2 comes along before lvl 1's are even operational.  Then lo and behold, lvl 3's appear on the horizon... but, but what about lvl 1?  No that's still a long ways off.  So no functioning nodes?  They lock up your coin for literally nothing.  Charge you for the pleasure of not having liquid xby.  Then the glorious pyramid scheme structure.  Really bravo, you are selling people literally nothing, no finished product and to top it off it's a pyramid scheme.  Lets have a look at lvl 1's again, they aren't showing you how many have broken.  Without that transparency in place this whole thing stinks of a scam.

4)  The mysterious borz.  The cult of borz is sickening.  Especially when there isn't any proof of anything.  He doesn't have a public repo showing his past work beyond the coin burn, which by itself is suspicious.  Then there's the fact that his judgement is clearly flawed by allowing a clown to run the front of the shop.  He won't communicate with the community about his vision.  All we get out of him is a basic theory, not even attempting to explain the greater details of how posign works.  There's a great many people within the community who aren't drooling idiots, and to assume 'they just won't understand' is the height of arrogance.  So is it just arrogance or the fact that he can't even explain?  He can't or he won't.  It's one of the two.  Personally a 'genius' god like programmer who doesn't share his genius, isn't a genius at all.  Furthermore, how in the world can someone be an economic genius when they clearly doesn't have any grasp of economics, see the XFUEL roll out. 

5)  The lack of transparency.  There is no transparency with XBY it's all diversion, stalling and silence.  The fact is they call this a community coin without taking input from the community.  The community has no say.  How about just being honest and saying that it's NOT a community coin, that dave/borz is the alpha and omega of XBY and that's all there is to it. 

6)  The Static node holders.  When founded they got a vote.  That was the deal.  There was at least some amount of governance by allowing them to have a vote in the future of the coin.  That is not the case any longer, and hasn't been for some time.  That needs to be set to rights, they need to have their vote in the direction of XBY, because clearly Dave does NOT have the best interests of XBY at heart.  Also exactly how many of you are left?  I know for a FACT the site isn't updating the current number.  Again where is the transparency?   

7)  The absolute mismanagement of funds.  There IS A DEVELOPER FUND.  And Dave refuses to use it.  Instead Dave comes up with the scam shitcoin XFUEL.  And then he is a FOUNDER and yet claims he is exempt from helping to pay for the development of HIS coin.  No, this is nothing more than scam.  And the beautiful icing on this shitcoin cake, he won't share his wallet address.  Developers and founders throughout crypto show their addresses for the sake of transparency and to build trust.  What makes him so special?  He has a crazy number of nodes, or does he?  Has he been dumping all along?  Who knows, because he is not TRANSPARENT.

In conclusion,
In the real business, corporate world he would have been removed already on the mismanagement of funds alone.  Add to that the mismanagement of the marketing and general mismanagement of the board and community it's literally amazing that this guy is still in place.  Since it's inception somewhere around ten board members have stepped down because he is impossible to work with.  How in the world is this a good investment when it's run by such a horrible manager and it is literally NO product?

I believe CCR and Borz are in the top 10 holders. They were holders from the bitmox scam and decided to save the project, being super cheap when the bitmox scam ICO happened they have quite a bit since a small amount of BTC amounts to quite a bit back then. Checking the top 10 addresses, most haven't moved their coins for a while. I know CCN is in the top 10 so rule out one of those top 10 accounts...9 out of 10 could be one of the CCR/Borz's holdings. You don't have to know which one exactly just monitor all top 10 and see coin movements. I believe from the top 10 holders CCR/Borz haven't moved any of their coins or most likely a tiny amount so does show they haven't and aren't dumping their holdings.

I know CCR has alot of statics at the start, the country named statics are his, they aren't broken which can be seen in the static list.

Not sure if this is our business but CCR/borz really don't have to share their holdings...they bought with their own money, it's not a premine that the community needs to watch although from one's own analysis and monitoring of the blockchain you can tell when/if they are dumping which if history proves anything means they are backing out but that isn't the case from what I seen on the blockchain.

To be honest, it's getting a little frustrating all these new accounts flowing in posting. I wish people would just use their main account here to comment, if people really care about XBY they wouldn't hide behind new accounts. No one is going to take you serious, it's just how it works on BCT. We're so used to seeing sock puppet accounts no one knows if these are actually new users or not, most seem just appear to be duplicate accounts.

Guessing most doing this here have holdings in XBY and are not looking to shit on a project with their main account so it doesn't look weird complaining and calling out the bad things on a coin they hold.

[dumplingsandsushi]

Wow.


I noticed a bunch of posts on Xtrabytes lately so I came to the announcement thread to learn more about it and what did I find?

DRAMA.

When there is so much back and forth, I am not concerned too much about who is right or wrong, who is telling the truth or not, I will just stay away.

Good luck to the project...

or not.

[lijoe408]

I've been following the project on and off and have invested in a decent stack of tokens.  This whole Xfuel thing does not make any sense to me at all.  I've never seen any other project do this.  To add another token out of thin air to "fund" development costs.  The reasons for it seem pretty ludicrous, yet some are acting like this is a genius new development that will make the coin moon.

-First the idea that more liquidity will be needed b/c the majority will be locked up in static nodes doesnt make sense.  How can you guarantee that the owners of the XBY will even register the maximum number of nodes? In any market, an equilibrium will eventually be reached at certain price points between people that want to keep the nodes and people that want to cash out.  To try to predict before launch, that you will need more liquidity b/c everyone will be holding nodes doesn't make sense.

-Second the notion that its ok to release these tokens mid project b/c this coin needs funding doesn't sit well either.  You can't hold huge % of the total supply that you purchased cheap, and then ask for more funding later to develop a coin in which you already hold the major supply.  Either disseminate some of the coins that you have or ask the community to contribute. To pull something out of thin air to sell in order to fund a project in which you are already the major beneficiary seems like your making decisions for your own benefit.

-Third, the whole corporation thing is nonsense.  The whole point of crypto is to take power away from corporations/banks and decentralize it.   To try to form a "corporation" around a decentralized protocol makes no sense at all. 

[skatola]

I don't understand...
2 days ago xby price almost doubled... i come to read what people say expeting excitement but everyone are angry and disappointed and now the price is low again...
what's wrong in this community? I'm in this project since 6 months and finally 2 days ago after whitepaper release and some good xby articles on web things started finally to go better and now...we are at 300 sat again.
I understand this is a long term investment but we make one step forward and 2 backward.
i'm starting to lose faith...very sad : (

[eggsandspamm]

I don't understand...
2 days ago xby price almost doubled... i come to read what people say expeting excitement but everyone are angry and disappointed and now the price is low again...
what's wrong in this community? I'm in this project since 6 months and finally 2 days ago after whitepaper release and some good xby articles on web things started finally to go better and now...we are at 300 sat again.
I understand this is a long term investment but we make one step forward and 2 backward.
i'm starting to lose faith...very sad : (

Top down leadership issues my friend. It’s sad.

[Lobo_]

I don't understand...
2 days ago xby price almost doubled... i come to read what people say expeting excitement but everyone are angry and disappointed and now the price is low again...
what's wrong in this community? I'm in this project since 6 months and finally 2 days ago after whitepaper release and some good xby articles on web things started finally to go better and now...we are at 300 sat again.
I understand this is a long term investment but we make one step forward and 2 backward.
i'm starting to lose faith...very sad : (

Yep. Same. It's Sad but FUD seems to be a thing in crypto and perhaps more with xby for various reasons.

If you believe in the project, stay strong and hold for a few years. I won't  be touching mine for a long time.

Same applies for the opposite. Those who do not believe should get out and go and find something they believe in. Spending countless hours and energy FUDing and being negative makes me weary and honestly, they are not people whose opinion I would trust.

Having a personal vendetta against Ccrev speaks volumes about themselves. Yeah mistakes have being made but remember, when a finger is pointed there are three pointing right back.

[Seb59]

I believe in the project !
It could be the best project ever !
The work will pay, no doubt about it !