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May 06, 2018, 08:46:43 PM
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So you prefer to ignore the facts and look at what the "market" has to say? FYI there are many tokens with huge market caps that have no working product. For example TRON, EOS.

True. OTOH, Bitcoin Cash is working spectacularly. So this point in your rebuttal is irrelevant.

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Market capitalization does not mean much in crypto, if you are not aware of this, you are clearly a noob.

ConfusedNickYoung.png Market cap is yuuuge in crypto. For you to make such a claim is quite simply astonishing.

Sure, some tokens game the market cap figures by only making a mere fraction of the total units available on the marketplace (I'm looking at you, Ripple). But many (i.e., most significant) coins can be meaningfully evaluated by market cap.

Are you trying to tell me that if BTCs market cap was $163 Million instead of $163 Billion, that would be substantially the same situation?

Or perhaps you think some shady and nefarious entity holds another 84M BCH, just awaiting the perfect chance to release them onto the marketplace?

Or that the vast majority of BCH was not awarded 1:1 to holders of BTC?

The second point in your rebuttal is irrelevant.

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Your argument is very weak. Roger Ver is disgrace to crypto space, he has no morals, ethics and dignity. He's just a clown that will do anything for money.

Argumentum ad hominum. Besides, see the preceding post.

Whatsit's argument is very weak!? Yours is comatose.

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May 06, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
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Bcash has no intrinsc value or purpose whatsoever.

You know what's funny about your declaration? If you accept that Bitcoin Cash has no intrinsc [sic] value or purpose whatsoever, you need to also accept that Bitcoin Segwit has no intrinsic value or purpose whatsoever.

And we all know how ludicrous that assertion is.

Also worth mention is that the federal reserve note (which is 99% of the circulating units commonly called "usd") have zero intrinsic value.  This quote comes from the federal reserve itself BTW. 

So at the end of the day, the end users are the ones who value one thing over another. 

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May 06, 2018, 09:35:27 PM
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Haha. I finally watched this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=zSbPz4g9rZQ

Think what you will about Roger Ver. But he objectively wipes the floor with Blockstream 'Chief Strategery Officer' Samson Mow in this moderated one-on-one debate on Bitcoin scaling.

Yes, this debate is the source of the widely derided 'babies are dying' quote. Which is indeed kind of cringey. But he's been consistent for nearly a decade in getting publicly weepy-emotional over the pain that bad fiscal governance causes the most vulnerable. Can't fault him for that passion. What's more: objectively, it is an arguable point.

But that aside, it is quite breathtaking how one-sided this debate was. Either Mow is a mere empty suit, or BCH is clearly superior in its scaling approach by every measure. Likely both.

Well he makes a solid point but I think the problem is that many are not aware of the actual data.  The simple fact is that for a private credit to expand and contract there must always be a winner and looser somewhere else.  This has caused about 20% of the population on earth to be in a slow death at all times.  This would not be happening if we had a sound monetary system not based on theft and slight of hand.

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May 06, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
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Haha. I finally watched this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=zSbPz4g9rZQ

Think what you will about Roger Ver. But he objectively wipes the floor with Blockstream 'Chief Strategery Officer' Samson Mow in this moderated one-on-one debate on Bitcoin scaling.

Yes, this debate is the source of the widely derided 'babies are dying' quote. Which is indeed kind of cringey. But he's been consistent for nearly a decade in getting publicly weepy-emotional over the pain that bad fiscal governance causes the most vulnerable. Can't fault him for that passion. What's more: objectively, it is an arguable point.

But that aside, it is quite breathtaking how one-sided this debate was. Either Mow is a mere empty suit, or BCH is clearly superior in its scaling approach by every measure. Likely both.

Well he makes a solid point but I think the problem is that many are not aware of the actual data.  The simple fact is that for a private credit to expand and contract there must always be a winner and looser somewhere else.  This has caused about 20% of the population on earth to be in a slow death at all times.  This would not be happening if we had a sound monetary system not based on theft and slight of hand.

even the usa people who could stop this offensive systems are barely able to keep ahead of auto repairs, etc.  Our own gov slams us with nano infections forcing ill health on the free people to game us into the grave so that the "dream" can be resold to the next immigrant/ victim.  It is a patently sick system once you see the incentive soft money provides.




FDR (the american president) publicly asked the people to deposit their money in exchange for unredeemed private credit for national progress.  He was giving us a bad deal.  unironically he named it the new deal.  basically it causes endorsements to be a "request" for private credit.  so thanks to lack of full disclosure (fraud) we are agreeing each week to not redeem our private credit for money and we do not even know we requested it.  This cycle of debt backed credit then allows more of the credit to be pumped into the economy using the fractional reserve lending ratios.  



the good news is there is a very simple way to stop this trend with your very next paycheck.  details coming soon.


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Either Mow is a mere empty suit, or BCH is clearly superior in its scaling approach by every measure. Likely both.

samson mow has always been a troll and a lightweight. i don't really know how he wound up being listened to by anyone.

i'm still waiting to be convinced by lightning networks. the more details come out, the more unwieldy and unworldly it looks to me. but then so do giant blocks too.
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May 06, 2018, 10:57:58 PM
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Something HUUUUGE is about to start.... Shocked
buy/hodl your BCH
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Well done Mr V, happy to see your still following things closely....
you clearly see the same vision as myself and a few others here Kiss Smiley Cool

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Focus on BCH and XRP
It is said that SBI's virtual currency exchanges handle four types, bitcoin, ether, XRP, and bitcoin cash. Especially, we will focus on bitcoin cash and XRP.

Kitao said, "Bitcoins are mined and exhausted and all are not sold as scarce assets.It can not be used for other purposes too much, it is tough as a settlement currency.The price is too high, Cut off the bitcoin and throw it away. Tongue

On the other hand, "Bitcoin cash is practical and it can be used as a settlement currency in particular,  Grin XRP is also effective as a remittance currency, I am trying to focus on trade finance, etc. as there is room to use it." 2 Evaluate one virtual currency. Regarding anonymous currencies, we declared "I will not do anything."

(when SBI VC opens, it will be the worlds #1 volume crypto exchange, it will also include 20 fiat currencies to trade with.)



Also SBI plans to control 30% mining and hopes of proper decentralization across the globe, not like BTC, that is just controlled by chinese miners.
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May 06, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
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Either Mow is a mere empty suit, or BCH is clearly superior in its scaling approach by every measure. Likely both.

samson mow has always been a troll and a lightweight. i don't really know how he wound up being listened to by anyone.

i'm still waiting to be convinced by lightning networks. the more details come out, the more unwieldy and unworldly it looks to me. but then so do giant blocks too.

LN has one thing, centralize transactions via the channels hub.
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May 06, 2018, 11:02:54 PM
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LN has one thing, centralize transactions via the channels hub.

let's see it up and running with thousands of users before rolling that one out. it could well be true. it could not be the case at all.

more than anything i've come across in crypto before i've no idea how lightning networks are gonna pan out. there are so many variables and so many people working on different angles. it could develop into something amazing or wind up an absolute dead end. for every positive a negative seems to pop up too.
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May 06, 2018, 11:06:45 PM
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Either Mow is a mere empty suit, or BCH is clearly superior in its scaling approach by every measure. Likely both.

samson mow has always been a troll and a lightweight. i don't really know how he wound up being listened to by anyone.

i'm still waiting to be convinced by lightning networks. the more details come out, the more unwieldy and unworldly it looks to me. but then so do giant blocks too.

The supreme court ruled that talking to someone in a confined space for over 15 minutes is enough to influence them in a coercive manner.  This is why scientology lost their tax free status LOL.  In other words people are easy to hack.  Mow probably had big money backers and some slick mind science training is my guess.  

After watching him in that interview with Roger I got the feeling that he has some training at mind sciences and coercion.  In addition to all that even as he failed miserably on the content portion of his answers he tried desperately to preserve a cool calm and collected exterior.  He even signaled the moderator (successfully) at times to move on and cut off Roger.  

     Many people raised up in "command economies" wonder why the drive to innovate and produce is lost when production quotas become the only goal.  Similarly in such "command style" economies the main way to reform these 'free thinking types' is to socialize them back into "correct thinking".  I did notice some of that from Mow.  Oh well,  Roger saw it too and ran with it in the interview.  It was a joy to see him realize this in real time and pounce on it!  Thank you for all your hard work and dedication Roger Ver et al.  It is an honor to serve along side you!

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May 07, 2018, 02:31:26 AM
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Something HUUUUGE is about to start.... Shocked
buy/hodl your BCH
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SBI VC  Roll Eyes ?

Well done Mr V, happy to see your still following things closely....
you clearly see the same vision as myself and a few others here Kiss Smiley Cool

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Focus on BCH and XRP
It is said that SBI's virtual currency exchanges handle four types, bitcoin, ether, XRP, and bitcoin cash. Especially, we will focus on bitcoin cash and XRP.

Kitao said, "Bitcoins are mined and exhausted and all are not sold as scarce assets.It can not be used for other purposes too much, it is tough as a settlement currency.The price is too high, Cut off the bitcoin and throw it away. Tongue

On the other hand, "Bitcoin cash is practical and it can be used as a settlement currency in particular,  Grin XRP is also effective as a remittance currency, I am trying to focus on trade finance, etc. as there is room to use it." 2 Evaluate one virtual currency. Regarding anonymous currencies, we declared "I will not do anything."

(when SBI VC opens, it will be the worlds #1 volume crypto exchange, it will also include 20 fiat currencies to trade with.)



Also SBI plans to control 30% mining and hopes of proper decentralization across the globe, not like BTC, that is just controlled by chinese miners.

If the supporters of BCH already layed out the infrastructure, no wonder why BCH is catapulting to the moon right now. It's just a matter of months or weeks, when a huge spike will happen to BCH. More power and hoping that BCH dream of becoming BTC is materialized this year.

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May 07, 2018, 03:18:21 AM
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What shall I do with my Bitcoin Cash in my Trezor hardware wallet for the coming hard fork on 15th May?
I think the investors give the positive feedback for this fork as the price reflected it.

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May 07, 2018, 03:35:28 AM
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What shall I do with my Bitcoin Cash in my Trezor hardware wallet for the coming hard fork on 15th May?

Nothing.

If you control the keys (which, on a Trezor you do), your options are fully open. You don't need to make any decision until you first spend whatever coins are on addresses you hold on the 15th. This allows you to sit back and observe what happens with the fork, secure in knowing that you can pick one, the other, or both.

I rather think the 'new rules' fork chain will be near-immediately near-completely victorious. But that's just my expectation.

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May 07, 2018, 06:34:00 AM
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Bitcoin Cash this coin will rise violently in the future, so we can bargain with the warehouse holder and wait for the lift.

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May 07, 2018, 08:55:12 AM
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bCommerce: A Guide to Accepting Bitcoin Cash Payments for Your Online Store

https://derekmagill.com/2018/05/05/bcommerce-guide/

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May 07, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
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Hahaha.... It's like karma hitting on Bitcoin Cash  Grin

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May 07, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/8hma9v/bu_bitcoin_cash_ubuntu_ppa_repo_updated_to/

https://www.bitcoinabc.org/2018-05-07-incident-report/


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May 07, 2018, 03:06:41 PM
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Bitcoin Cash will be the mainstream currency callback is relatively small, BCH long-term level, we must take stability.

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May 07, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
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Dumps over, time to get back to business  Smiley Cool Kiss

Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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May 08, 2018, 01:14:33 AM
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1 WEEK LEFT .....
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(prepare asap, mega buys  will smash the sell walls  very quickly)
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Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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