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Author Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees  (Read 614043 times)
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April 17, 2018, 07:43:09 PM
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did everybody have fun to pay your taxes?   Cheesy

Does anyone wish to learn about a thing called non-tax payer?


or do you prefer to have the paperwork just done for you? 


you can pay 2k usd worth of bch and have them made for you, with no questions asked.



I wonder if the govs figured out yet how many did not voluntarily assess themselves as relates to the digital money side of their portfolio? 

better question:  I wonder if the taxpayers wondered yet if they really are taxpayers according to the govs own definitions for same..




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April 17, 2018, 07:48:16 PM
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Interesting signing use case spotted



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April 17, 2018, 07:49:01 PM
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Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

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the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

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The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

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he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

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beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?


will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

As a non believer in BCH this may come as a surprise  to you but most of these claims so seem to be false

1. Yes there will be some wallet somewhere that does contain viruses but the dominant full node is virus free
2. The wallet is not under government control but the heart of BCH is under control of the one's financing it
3. I wouldn't say the coins are completely under the control of ver, nChain (Wright), coingeek (Ayre), and bitmain (Wu) control a huge share too
4. All BCH holders wish to destroy bitcoin as they see BCh as being bitcoin
5. As stated earlier I doubt ver controls 50% of coins maybe 10-20% along with his buddies but I would guess between Ver, Wright, Ayre, Wu combined that they could quite easily control at least 50% of all circulating coins

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April 17, 2018, 08:09:48 PM
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Hello dear friends! Help please! 01.04.2018 I sent the BCH with Bitcoin ABC on the bittrex. The transaction in the wallet was confirmed and the coins were debited from the wallet. But Bitcoin Cash not credited to Bitrix. I looked at the transaction in the BCH blockchain. The transaction is not displayed in the blockchain. Please tell me how I can get your bitcoin Cash!  Who should I ask for help? Thank You!

Status: 5633 confirmations
Date: 01.04.2018 13:32
For: 1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o
Debit: -4.22843270 BCC
Commission: -0.00024560 BCC
Net amount: -4.22867830 BCC
Transaction ID: 620f59973fd7b10ec33dd3c4490ff838f2df6977e15cea215b5cfa7efb42565f
Total transaction size: 1226 bytes
Output number: 0

Are you sure you used a BCH adress, since I only find sth  here

https://blockchain.info/en/address/1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o

but not in

https://blockchair.com/search?q=1HJ9QYxj1ZGXawrTKK8usb4tisLxAfj42o

??

For questions regarding the ABC client reddit/rbc is moar coverd

or go directly over the Bittrex help desk .

Cheers





Thank you for your time. Yes, I am sure. I've checked the address many times before sending BCH.  On bittrex BCH - it's BCC. I need to contact bittrex Technical Support, right?
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April 18, 2018, 12:08:27 AM
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Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

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the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

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The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

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he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

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beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?


will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

As a non believer in BCH this may come as a surprise  to you but most of these claims so seem to be false

1. Yes there will be some wallet somewhere that does contain viruses but the dominant full node is virus free
2. The wallet is not under government control but the heart of BCH is under control of the one's financing it
3. I wouldn't say the coins are completely under the control of ver, nChain (Wright), coingeek (Ayre), and bitmain (Wu) control a huge share too
4. All BCH holders wish to destroy bitcoin as they see BCh as being bitcoin
5. As stated earlier I doubt ver controls 50% of coins maybe 10-20% along with his buddies but I would guess between Ver, Wright, Ayre, Wu combined that they could quite easily control at least 50% of all circulating coins

So you already admit to 1, 3, and 5 being unsupported by evidence.
For number 2 - no evidence supplied. Put up or shut up.
4: False. While I view BCH as The One True Bitcoin, I would not want to see it destroyed. Further, it would be detrimental to my finances for even BTC to be destroyed. From public statements, he (Roger Ver) also holds a lot of BTC. Accordingly, him seeking to destroy Bitcoin would be irrational - whether BCH or BTC.


Hey tek: did you just miss this post?:


Finally. We get to something concrete and debatable. Thanks.

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Yes they are proposals nothing more I'm not saying that any will be adopted just that their is a chance

Exactly. Three people met and discussed what -- if anything -- to do about malleability. The outcome: nothing at this time. Slight preference for MalFix, but no consensus.

True, one of the participants was the individual who currently leads the market-leading client implementation. Was he the holdout? Who knows? Doesn't matter.

But you fail to support your claim that MalFix would result in Bitcoin Cash abandoning Bitcoin's tried and true security model. Again, put up or shut up. You may just be parroting my observation that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset has caused Bitcoin Segwit to abandon Bitcoin's tried and true security model. But you seem to fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. For it is not the separation of sig from tx within The SegWit Omnibus Changeset that has abandoned Bitcoin's security model. Rather, it is the misguided abortional crude hack of pretending that an anyonecanspend tx is anything other than exactly that, which has opened post- SegWit Omnibus Changeset Bitcoin Segwit to a myriad of new attack vectors.

Go sharpen your pencil and get back to us.

Again, until you provide some evidence, all can safely consider this claim debunked, dispatched, and discredited.

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As for Bitcoin Cash users won't accept being forced into a new system the whole premise of Bitcoin cash is users nodes don't matter only mining nodes matter

Again, you fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. Non-mining, fully-validating clients (often misrepresented as 'full nodes') have no power to effect the network itself. This is true whether discussing Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Segwit, or any other PoW satoshi-pattern cryptocurrency. Miners have the power to enact any change they want to - or the majority thereof does. This power is counterbalanced only by the power of users and holders to abandon any chain that does not implement the characteristics they desire. In contrast, the only power non-mining, fully-validating clients possess is to divorce themselves from the network. Period. Other than suiciding themselves, they do not affect they network in any way.

The above is true regardless of Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Segwit. For better or for worse, this is the system satoshi bequeathed us. True, miners are likely to use such chain abandonment as a signal of user/hodler displeasure. However, they are fully aware that such non-mining, fully-validating clients are subject to Sybil attacks. The only non-Sybillable resources are mining power and Bitcoin ownership, which is what makes the system work to begin with.

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so you will get forced if the exchanges upgrade and the miners upgrade the users are forced to either upgrade or sell taking huge losses

Exactly - and exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

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The only reason BTC users can have a say is the users run the majority of the nodes therefore the miners etc won't switch as it's not in their interest to mine something the vast majority of users define worthless

No. Non-mining, fully-validating clients are the only entities in the system subject to Sybil attack. While they bring benefits to their owners, they do nothing for the network itself. They are merely a Sybiled proxy for economic power. Again, this is exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

Still waiting on your rebuttal. Since days.

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April 18, 2018, 12:19:04 AM
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The BCH community has been plagued by this problem. The community is a unified understanding, BCH is a good stuff, but it is not punished, especially in the currency price

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April 18, 2018, 12:39:17 AM
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Bitcoin cash has been rumoured to have viruses in its wallet

Of course, this being a decentralized, permissionless system, there is no 'the' Bitcoin Cash wallet. Which specific Bitcoin Cash wallet is _rumored_ to have viruses?

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the wallet is centralized Under government control.

Evidence? Any?

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The bcash coins are completely under the control of roger ver

Evidence? Any?

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he wishes to destroy Bitcoin with the tactics of manipulating the users..

Seems awfully unlikely to me. Any evidence?

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beware roger ver controls over 50% of bcash coins

So of course, you have a listing of his wallet addresses so you can back up your claim. Hint: here is where you back up your claim by providing a list of Roger Ver's BCH addresses demonstrating ownership of over 50% Bitcoin Cash. Right?


will be interesting to see if this troll can have any comment that includes some proof.  I will not hold any breath waiting though..

As a non believer in BCH this may come as a surprise  to you but most of these claims so seem to be false

1. Yes there will be some wallet somewhere that does contain viruses but the dominant full node is virus free
2. The wallet is not under government control but the heart of BCH is under control of the one's financing it
3. I wouldn't say the coins are completely under the control of ver, nChain (Wright), coingeek (Ayre), and bitmain (Wu) control a huge share too
4. All BCH holders wish to destroy bitcoin as they see BCh as being bitcoin
5. As stated earlier I doubt ver controls 50% of coins maybe 10-20% along with his buddies but I would guess between Ver, Wright, Ayre, Wu combined that they could quite easily control at least 50% of all circulating coins

So you already admit to 1, 3, and 5 being unsupported by evidence.
For number 2 - no evidence supplied. Put up or shut up.
4: False. While I view BCH as The One True Bitcoin, I would not want to see it destroyed. Further, it would be detrimental to my finances for even BTC to be destroyed. From public statements, he (Roger Ver) also holds a lot of BTC. Accordingly, him seeking to destroy Bitcoin would be irrational - whether BCH or BTC.


Hey tek: did you just miss this post?:


Finally. We get to something concrete and debatable. Thanks.

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Yes they are proposals nothing more I'm not saying that any will be adopted just that their is a chance

Exactly. Three people met and discussed what -- if anything -- to do about malleability. The outcome: nothing at this time. Slight preference for MalFix, but no consensus.

True, one of the participants was the individual who currently leads the market-leading client implementation. Was he the holdout? Who knows? Doesn't matter.

But you fail to support your claim that MalFix would result in Bitcoin Cash abandoning Bitcoin's tried and true security model. Again, put up or shut up. You may just be parroting my observation that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset has caused Bitcoin Segwit to abandon Bitcoin's tried and true security model. But you seem to fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. For it is not the separation of sig from tx within The SegWit Omnibus Changeset that has abandoned Bitcoin's security model. Rather, it is the misguided abortional crude hack of pretending that an anyonecanspend tx is anything other than exactly that, which has opened post- SegWit Omnibus Changeset Bitcoin Segwit to a myriad of new attack vectors.

Go sharpen your pencil and get back to us.

Again, until you provide some evidence, all can safely consider this claim debunked, dispatched, and discredited.

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As for Bitcoin Cash users won't accept being forced into a new system the whole premise of Bitcoin cash is users nodes don't matter only mining nodes matter

Again, you fundamentally misunderstand Bitcoin. Non-mining, fully-validating clients (often misrepresented as 'full nodes') have no power to effect the network itself. This is true whether discussing Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Segwit, or any other PoW satoshi-pattern cryptocurrency. Miners have the power to enact any change they want to - or the majority thereof does. This power is counterbalanced only by the power of users and holders to abandon any chain that does not implement the characteristics they desire. In contrast, the only power non-mining, fully-validating clients possess is to divorce themselves from the network. Period. Other than suiciding themselves, they do not affect they network in any way.

The above is true regardless of Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Segwit. For better or for worse, this is the system satoshi bequeathed us. True, miners are likely to use such chain abandonment as a signal of user/hodler displeasure. However, they are fully aware that such non-mining, fully-validating clients are subject to Sybil attacks. The only non-Sybillable resources are mining power and Bitcoin ownership, which is what makes the system work to begin with.

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so you will get forced if the exchanges upgrade and the miners upgrade the users are forced to either upgrade or sell taking huge losses

Exactly - and exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

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The only reason BTC users can have a say is the users run the majority of the nodes therefore the miners etc won't switch as it's not in their interest to mine something the vast majority of users define worthless

No. Non-mining, fully-validating clients are the only entities in the system subject to Sybil attack. While they bring benefits to their owners, they do nothing for the network itself. They are merely a Sybiled proxy for economic power. Again, this is exactly identical for Bitcoin SegWit as for Bitcoin Cash.

Still waiting on your rebuttal. Since days.

There was nothing more to say regarding the above I said my opinion


As for point 4 you may not want to see BTC Bitcoin destroyed but most of the diehard BCHers would like nothing more including ver yes he still owns some as collateral in case BCH dies but he would rather see Bitcoin go down and BCH take it's place and of he was so confident that BCH would topple Bitcoin he would sell it all.
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April 18, 2018, 03:48:18 AM
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There was nothing more to say regarding the above I said my opinion

So you concede the points. All can safely consider your claim debunked, dispatched, and discredited. Duly noted.

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(i)f he was so confident that BCH would topple Bitcoin he would sell it all.

If anyone was confident that BCH would topple BTC, it would be irrational not to convert all their BTC into BCH. Right?

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April 18, 2018, 04:02:30 AM
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There was nothing more to say regarding the above I said my opinion

So you concede the points. All can safely consider your claim debunked, dispatched, and discredited. Duly noted.

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(i)f he was so confident that BCH would topple Bitcoin he would sell it all.

If anyone was confident that BCH would topple BTC, it would be irrational not to convert all their BTC into BCH. Right?

No my point was a malfix would change the security model of BCH for everyone which it would

Transaction malleability is caused by the signature in the transaction area so any modifications to the signature data automatically changes the security model since the signature is the security

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April 18, 2018, 04:18:28 AM
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any modifications to the signature data automatically changes the security model

So you are conceding that segwit has irrevocably changed the security model of BTC. Got it.

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April 18, 2018, 04:50:39 AM
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any modifications to the signature data automatically changes the security model

So you are conceding that segwit has irrevocably changed the security model of BTC. Got it.

It depends on what type of address you use on BTC segwit was a soft fork and legacy addresses are backwards compatible so of use still use a 1xxx address then no it does not only if you use a segwit address

BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone so you won't get the choice to keep using the old legacy address

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April 18, 2018, 05:21:48 AM
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Read about Bitcoin cash employing smart contracts.  I wonder what scripting/programming language it will be used to propel the said feature. Rootstock is doing the same thing with bitcoin.

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April 18, 2018, 05:44:52 AM
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BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone

Which is of course what enables BCH to avoid the big giant gaping security hole that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset dug for itself.

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April 18, 2018, 05:49:55 AM
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BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone

Which is of course what enables BCH to avoid the big giant gaping security hole that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset dug for itself.

Incorrect Bitcoin is just as secure as ever you just have a choice you are not force fed whatever the devs come up with if you like if fine upgrade if you don't then fine don't upgrade you won't be penalized and kicked off the chain
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April 18, 2018, 06:12:59 AM
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BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone

Which is of course what enables BCH to avoid the big giant gaping security hole that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset dug for itself.

Incorrect Bitcoin is just as secure as ever you just have a choice you are not force fed whatever the devs come up with if you like if fine upgrade if you don't then fine don't upgrade you won't be penalized and kicked off the chain
ffs not this shit again tek.
You cant stay on the old version forever, ffs its code, it updates...
Everything upgrades.

who use the old iphone software from 10years ago?
who still goes out and buys a playstation 1?
Hardly anyone, they all upgrade to the lastest, fastest and better versions....
but your precious blockstreamcore have hijacked all routes fro og btc to upgrade....FORCING users to use the old version forever or upgrade to THEIR version if they want to experince a better version...and to make it worse the upgrade blockcore are offering doesnt even work and may never fully work as they claim.

You are being  penalized because you are forced to use a slow, old shit version vs a new non working version.
You should educate and be honest and tell people they have another choice , BCH, the true way to upgrade og btc..

tek....seriously, maybe you forget what you type after 24hours, but others dont.
Stop talking shit...please.

Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 18, 2018, 06:15:40 AM
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BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone

Which is of course what enables BCH to avoid the big giant gaping security hole that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset dug for itself.

Incorrect Bitcoin is just as secure as ever you just have a choice you are not force fed whatever the devs come up with if you like if fine upgrade if you don't then fine don't upgrade you won't be penalized and kicked off the chain
ffs not this shit again tek.
You cant stay on the old version forever, ffs its code, it updates...
Everything upgrades.

who use the old iphone software from 10years ago?
who still goes out and buys a playstation 1?
Hardly anyone, they all upgrade to the lastest, fastest and better versions....
but your precious blockstreamcore have hijacked all routes fro og btc to upgrade....FORCING users to use the old version forever or upgrade to THEIR version if they want to experince a better version...and to make it worse the upgrade blockcore are offering doesnt even work and may never fully work as they claim.

tek....seriously, maybe you forget what you type after 24hours, but others dont.
Stop talking shit...please.


Read back I didn't bring it up I said my bit and that was the end just jb brought it back again
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April 18, 2018, 06:17:03 AM
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BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone

Which is of course what enables BCH to avoid the big giant gaping security hole that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset dug for itself.

Incorrect Bitcoin is just as secure as ever you just have a choice you are not force fed whatever the devs come up with if you like if fine upgrade if you don't then fine don't upgrade you won't be penalized and kicked off the chain
ffs not this shit again tek.
You cant stay on the old version forever, ffs its code, it updates...
Everything upgrades.

who use the old iphone software from 10years ago?
who still goes out and buys a playstation 1?
Hardly anyone, they all upgrade to the lastest, fastest and better versions....
but your precious blockstreamcore have hijacked all routes fro og btc to upgrade....FORCING users to use the old version forever or upgrade to THEIR version if they want to experince a better version...and to make it worse the upgrade blockcore are offering doesnt even work and may never fully work as they claim.

tek....seriously, maybe you forget what you type after 24hours, but others dont.
Stop talking shit...please.


Read back I didn't bring it up I said my bit and that was the end just jb brought it back again
ok  Smiley

Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 18, 2018, 06:24:56 AM
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BCH upgrades are hard forked for everyone

Which is of course what enables BCH to avoid the big giant gaping security hole that The SegWit Omnibus Changeset dug for itself.

Incorrect Bitcoin is just as secure as ever you just have a choice you are not force fed whatever the devs come up with if you like if fine upgrade if you don't then fine don't upgrade you won't be penalized and kicked off the chain
ffs not this shit again tek.
You cant stay on the old version forever, ffs its code, it updates...
Everything upgrades.

who use the old iphone software from 10years ago?
who still goes out and buys a playstation 1?
Hardly anyone, they all upgrade to the lastest, fastest and better versions....
but your precious blockstreamcore have hijacked all routes fro og btc to upgrade....FORCING users to use the old version forever or upgrade to THEIR version if they want to experince a better version...and to make it worse the upgrade blockcore are offering doesnt even work and may never fully work as they claim.

tek....seriously, maybe you forget what you type after 24hours, but others dont.
Stop talking shit...please.


Read back I didn't bring it up I said my bit and that was the end just jb brought it back again
ok  Smiley

As for your bit about upgrade yes people upgrade and using your analogy how many people upgrade on day 1 their are still many many people that use older versions of windows and macOS there are still people that use older versions of Linux why ? Because they prefer them

How would you feel if every new os revision used the same approach

Microsoft is upgrading to windows 11 from the 15th of May if you don't upgrade all your programs will stop working upgrade now without delay !!!

Backwards compatible allows everyone time to upgrade in there own time

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April 18, 2018, 06:32:17 AM
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No - pls stop trolling over. ^

You must get paid for your FUD - I hope for u.


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