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May 26, 2018, 10:45:10 AM
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Have some fun and individual thinking with that one


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May 26, 2018, 02:51:58 PM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).

Hmm. Central banker misunderstands where the value of a currency comes from. Defines it in terms of trade balances between nations. Yet in a frictionless environment, it will not be the 'nations' that choose their adopted currency. It will be the people therein.

Personally, once most people understand the nature of a currency that cannot be inflated upon a whim, I belive they will choose such an immutable currency.

Which bodes poorly for his position.

Lastly, if he wants to ascribe correspondence between currency and 'nation', then fine. We are the nation named Internet. Deal with that, central banker dude.
What you say will happen, i agree, but not yet.
I believe it was the central bankers that made og btc so over priced in the first place.
(Davos ,world economic forum 2016 is where it began, btc price was around $500 , they were buying a few month before , around Nov2015 before the forum in 2016 at around $250)

Its very easy for them to scare away people from crypto(short term) by causing huge price manipulation...making fiat seem like the safer choice.


this is the critical discussion.
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May 27, 2018, 01:05:46 AM
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^ Hi E  Smiley
Whats your thoughts on this?


also another sad day from blockstreamcore rep Mow....
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May 27, 2018, 01:11:47 AM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).



I said a few month back around $2k to mine 1 og btc...
Probably going to go lower than that ( $800-$1400 possible )


The energy is obviously not the only cost of mining, so his hypothetical value is far from realistic.
To mine 1 BTC with 1 Antminer S9 one needs 1223 days at constant (=current) difficulty.
The energy used during that time would be ~40k kWh (cost ~ $2000 at $0.05 per kWh).
S9 price is ~$900-1000, so energy + miner would be $3000, and then there're other costs, like employees, buildings, HVAC, repairs, etc.


True for the average consumer(miner)your prices are probably accurate.
However for industrial scale miners, its not, its alot cheaper.
They buy asics in bulk and get cheaper elec, leading to huge savings.

Also the producers of asics are always  ahead.
While average miners use s9, the asic producers will be using "testing" s10 and be creating s11 always remain a few steps ahead of the rest.


Probably true about the equipment prices, but energy at $0.05 is rather low... at least for US and EU, not sure about China and far east in general.
Also, for the average consumer grade miner there're no additional costs of large buildings, HVAC installations and employees, so the costs aren't much different imo.
We probably both right depending on the miner.
I think we can agree the price to mine 1og btc is between $2k - $3500 , def not the $8k some places have been reporting.
Lets say $2700 is an average price ...that price will 100% happen for og btc and
then more panic dumping can take its price lower than $2k, imo  

I wonder if Jihan or some other big mining group will tell us the cost for them to mine 1og btc. Smiley

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How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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May 27, 2018, 05:21:24 AM
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New service for BitcoinCash(BCH) full ANN here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4311308.new#new

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May 27, 2018, 12:48:28 PM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).



I said a few month back around $2k to mine 1 og btc...
Probably going to go lower than that ( $800-$1400 possible )


The energy is obviously not the only cost of mining, so his hypothetical value is far from realistic.
To mine 1 BTC with 1 Antminer S9 one needs 1223 days at constant (=current) difficulty.
The energy used during that time would be ~40k kWh (cost ~ $2000 at $0.05 per kWh).
S9 price is ~$900-1000, so energy + miner would be $3000, and then there're other costs, like employees, buildings, HVAC, repairs, etc.


True for the average consumer(miner)your prices are probably accurate.
However for industrial scale miners, its not, its alot cheaper.
They buy asics in bulk and get cheaper elec, leading to huge savings.

Also the producers of asics are always  ahead.
While average miners use s9, the asic producers will be using "testing" s10 and be creating s11 always remain a few steps ahead of the rest.


Probably true about the equipment prices, but energy at $0.05 is rather low... at least for US and EU, not sure about China and far east in general.
Also, for the average consumer grade miner there're no additional costs of large buildings, HVAC installations and employees, so the costs aren't much different imo.
We probably both right depending on the miner.
I think we can agree the price to mine 1og btc is between $2k - $3500 , def not the $8k some places have been reporting.
Lets say $2700 is an average price ...that price will 100% happen for og btc and
then more panic dumping can take its price lower than $2k, imo  

I wonder if Jihan or some other big mining group will tell us the cost for them to mine 1og btc. Smiley

Yes, your average is plausible, and... No, I doubt big miners will ever disclose their costs  Undecided
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May 27, 2018, 04:02:13 PM
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Perhaps Bitcoin and other proof-of-work algorithms were created not only for global monetary decentralisation but also to encourage the use of alternative energy in financial production  Cool

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May 27, 2018, 04:54:51 PM
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As time goes on mining hardware effectiveness increase and energy consumption will decrease. And more hardware companies will enter mining industry which is good for consumers. More countries will offer discounts which should encourage big mining companies to start businesses in those countries.
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May 27, 2018, 06:23:00 PM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).



I said a few month back around $2k to mine 1 og btc...
Probably going to go lower than that ( $800-$1400 possible )


The energy is obviously not the only cost of mining, so his hypothetical value is far from realistic.
To mine 1 BTC with 1 Antminer S9 one needs 1223 days at constant (=current) difficulty.
The energy used during that time would be ~40k kWh (cost ~ $2000 at $0.05 per kWh).
S9 price is ~$900-1000, so energy + miner would be $3000, and then there're other costs, like employees, buildings, HVAC, repairs, etc.


True for the average consumer(miner)your prices are probably accurate.
However for industrial scale miners, its not, its alot cheaper.
They buy asics in bulk and get cheaper elec, leading to huge savings.

Also the producers of asics are always  ahead.
While average miners use s9, the asic producers will be using "testing" s10 and be creating s11 always remain a few steps ahead of the rest.


Probably true about the equipment prices, but energy at $0.05 is rather low... at least for US and EU, not sure about China and far east in general.
Also, for the average consumer grade miner there're no additional costs of large buildings, HVAC installations and employees, so the costs aren't much different imo.
We probably both right depending on the miner.
I think we can agree the price to mine 1og btc is between $2k - $3500 , def not the $8k some places have been reporting.
Lets say $2700 is an average price ...that price will 100% happen for og btc and
then more panic dumping can take its price lower than $2k, imo  

I wonder if Jihan or some other big mining group will tell us the cost for them to mine 1og btc. Smiley

Yes, your average is plausible, and... No, I doubt big miners will ever disclose their costs  Undecided


BTI vs. BCH flippening occuring ~ more miners switching to Instantcoin Wink weeee

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https://freiexchange.com/market/BTI/BTC

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May 27, 2018, 06:47:57 PM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).



I said a few month back around $2k to mine 1 og btc...
Probably going to go lower than that ( $800-$1400 possible )


The energy is obviously not the only cost of mining, so his hypothetical value is far from realistic.
To mine 1 BTC with 1 Antminer S9 one needs 1223 days at constant (=current) difficulty.
The energy used during that time would be ~40k kWh (cost ~ $2000 at $0.05 per kWh).
S9 price is ~$900-1000, so energy + miner would be $3000, and then there're other costs, like employees, buildings, HVAC, repairs, etc.


True for the average consumer(miner)your prices are probably accurate.
However for industrial scale miners, its not, its alot cheaper.
They buy asics in bulk and get cheaper elec, leading to huge savings.

Also the producers of asics are always  ahead.
While average miners use s9, the asic producers will be using "testing" s10 and be creating s11 always remain a few steps ahead of the rest.


Probably true about the equipment prices, but energy at $0.05 is rather low... at least for US and EU, not sure about China and far east in general.
Also, for the average consumer grade miner there're no additional costs of large buildings, HVAC installations and employees, so the costs aren't much different imo.
We probably both right depending on the miner.
I think we can agree the price to mine 1og btc is between $2k - $3500 , def not the $8k some places have been reporting.
Lets say $2700 is an average price ...that price will 100% happen for og btc and
then more panic dumping can take its price lower than $2k, imo  

I wonder if Jihan or some other big mining group will tell us the cost for them to mine 1og btc. Smiley

Yes, your average is plausible, and... No, I doubt big miners will ever disclose their costs  Undecided


BTI vs. BCH flippening occuring ~ more miners switching to Instantcoin Wink weeee

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http://abe.getbitcoininstant.org:2750/chain/Instant

https://freiexchange.com/market/BTI/BTC


I think the 0.08 BTC daily volume says otherwise. Ive seen more volume at a lemonade stand.

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May 27, 2018, 07:21:12 PM
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Free stuff here


https://www.bitcoinmarketinsider.com/free-bitcoin-cash-point-of-sale-platform/


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May 27, 2018, 08:37:57 PM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).



I said a few month back around $2k to mine 1 og btc...
Probably going to go lower than that ( $800-$1400 possible )


The energy is obviously not the only cost of mining, so his hypothetical value is far from realistic.
To mine 1 BTC with 1 Antminer S9 one needs 1223 days at constant (=current) difficulty.
The energy used during that time would be ~40k kWh (cost ~ $2000 at $0.05 per kWh).
S9 price is ~$900-1000, so energy + miner would be $3000, and then there're other costs, like employees, buildings, HVAC, repairs, etc.


True for the average consumer(miner)your prices are probably accurate.
However for industrial scale miners, its not, its alot cheaper.
They buy asics in bulk and get cheaper elec, leading to huge savings.

Also the producers of asics are always  ahead.
While average miners use s9, the asic producers will be using "testing" s10 and be creating s11 always remain a few steps ahead of the rest.


Probably true about the equipment prices, but energy at $0.05 is rather low... at least for US and EU, not sure about China and far east in general.
Also, for the average consumer grade miner there're no additional costs of large buildings, HVAC installations and employees, so the costs aren't much different imo.
We probably both right depending on the miner.
I think we can agree the price to mine 1og btc is between $2k - $3500 , def not the $8k some places have been reporting.
Lets say $2700 is an average price ...that price will 100% happen for og btc and
then more panic dumping can take its price lower than $2k, imo  

I wonder if Jihan or some other big mining group will tell us the cost for them to mine 1og btc. Smiley

Yes, your average is plausible, and... No, I doubt big miners will ever disclose their costs  Undecided

I know its from crazy John lols but  here is a recent comment(dec2017) from him regarding cost to mine a btc..
John McAfee
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Replying to @MusicalKasparov
The coin itself us a product costing $2,000 to make.   https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/938953574729637889?lang=en

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How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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May 27, 2018, 08:45:32 PM
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Watched a recent Max keiser episode ...
He and Stacy both were so keen to point out censorship resistant social media ...
Max says he knows two twitter competitors on bitcoin..(memo,blockpress)...
but both failed to mention the censorship on og btc  Cheesy and the censorship resistant social media platforms are on Bitcoin(BCH)

Please max,stacy , you maybe trying to avoid taking sides, but you are confusing newbies..
dont mislead your viewers into buying Bitcoin(btc) thinking that they can use these new censorship resistant platforms,
when you clearly know they are for BCH..   Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKsPhtSjcuU - talks around 5min in.



Its all in the ticker...
2 Bitcoins..
BTC - old limited tech, no dapps
BCH - new evolving tech , lots of dapps

Simple  Smiley

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How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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May 27, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
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So whether bitcoin cash will get worse after seeing the bitcoin charts are getting degenerate, let alone the weekly chart will be formed soon and it is not easy. Smiley


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May 27, 2018, 10:23:32 PM
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https://www.merkle.press/2018/05/bitcoin-price-has-hypothetical-value-of.html
Bitcoin Price Has Hypothetical Value of $1,800: Federal Reserve Report
“Although Bitcoins do not possess any real intrinsic value, from a commodity valuation perspective, we can estimate a hypothetical value based on its production costs. Recent estimates regarding the energy involved in mining a single Bitcoin by professional energy-efficient mining rigs put it at about $1,800 when mined in China (where 80% of the currently mined Bitcoins originate).



I said a few month back around $2k to mine 1 og btc...
Probably going to go lower than that ( $800-$1400 possible )


The energy is obviously not the only cost of mining, so his hypothetical value is far from realistic.
To mine 1 BTC with 1 Antminer S9 one needs 1223 days at constant (=current) difficulty.
The energy used during that time would be ~40k kWh (cost ~ $2000 at $0.05 per kWh).
S9 price is ~$900-1000, so energy + miner would be $3000, and then there're other costs, like employees, buildings, HVAC, repairs, etc.


True for the average consumer(miner)your prices are probably accurate.
However for industrial scale miners, its not, its alot cheaper.
They buy asics in bulk and get cheaper elec, leading to huge savings.

Also the producers of asics are always  ahead.
While average miners use s9, the asic producers will be using "testing" s10 and be creating s11 always remain a few steps ahead of the rest.


Probably true about the equipment prices, but energy at $0.05 is rather low... at least for US and EU, not sure about China and far east in general.
Also, for the average consumer grade miner there're no additional costs of large buildings, HVAC installations and employees, so the costs aren't much different imo.
We probably both right depending on the miner.
I think we can agree the price to mine 1og btc is between $2k - $3500 , def not the $8k some places have been reporting.
Lets say $2700 is an average price ...that price will 100% happen for og btc and
then more panic dumping can take its price lower than $2k, imo  

I wonder if Jihan or some other big mining group will tell us the cost for them to mine 1og btc. Smiley

Yes, your average is plausible, and... No, I doubt big miners will ever disclose their costs  Undecided


BTI vs. BCH flippening occuring ~ more miners switching to Instantcoin Wink weeee

====>

http://abe.getbitcoininstant.org:2750/chain/Instant

https://freiexchange.com/market/BTI/BTC


I think the 0.08 BTC daily volume says otherwise. Ive seen more volume at a lemonade stand.

watch as BTI goes higher while fake satoshi and roger ver circle jerk BCH to zer00000000 Wink weeee

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May 28, 2018, 08:31:27 AM
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MoneyButton impl in Telescope wallet

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May 28, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
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EOS will be used by anyone/everyone in the world, on top of BCH.  People will create their own business/tokens in EOS, being backed in BCH as the global backed currency.  This “race” to be the dominant crypto was never real.  It was always Bitcoin (Cash) and now with the final piece being EOS.

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May 28, 2018, 09:29:08 PM
 #15318

I am very glad that the people prone to hate have blinders on to this coin.  This helps this community stay free from such evil & anti-social types.

Also I am glad those prone to nude emperor worship are blind to this coin.  That keeps us from having lemmings on the ground floor.

And lastly, I am glad that only those who seek and know the truth as relates to BTC vs BCH will see this coin for what it truly is.  This means our foundation is laid by those who possess a clear mastery of the material they are working with. 


                                                                                          I am truly honored to be among this class of individual,

                                                                                                 Best


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May 28, 2018, 09:56:13 PM
 #15319

It's rather dead in here now

How's your fork coming along



may pop back in another week or 2 and check in
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May 28, 2018, 10:13:45 PM
 #15320

It's rather dead in here now

How's your fork coming along

may pop back in another week or 2 and check in



 the best measurement is trolls posting stuff.  So by your own posting of non-sense you are proving the threat BCH poses to your altcoins.  LOL

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