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April 04, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
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I can see a BCH split sometime this year with the amount of disagreements going off though

Hmm. So are you saying that BCH:
1) is tightly controlled by a centralized cabal; or
2) splintering in fractious discord?

It can't be both. Pick a narrative and stick with it, willya?

1- Both Bcash has a following of gullible people that believe everything that some claim like CSW, Ver etc because they don't have the technical knowledge to know any different so "trust" in someone that appears very smart

2- But as more changes are happening there is more friction being created as the changes are being forced through a HF with a either upgrade or f##k off approach and the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel by eather forking off again or going back to BTC


3- While BTC is using a much safer SF method where if you agree with changes you can upgrade without issues and if you do not agree and don't upgrade you won't be forced off the network and everything will run just as before



1- Bitcoin cash is not followed by gullible people, its followed by people that want bitcoin to be bitcoin, not a 2nd layer controlled by blockstream...a company..for profit.
   OG btc was hijacked, using node exploit they stole the Bitcoin name and brand by segwetters, the thing is they call themselves btc Maximilists but always refer to using ltc as a payment method...hmmm
   maybe they are really litecoiners that hijacked btc.

2- segwet is a HF.
Everything you said at point 2 is your answer for Bitcoin cash being here today....we were not happy with the HF on og btc,
"so the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel(blockstream) by either forking off again or going back to BTC "via BCH.  

3- btc is not using a safer SF , stop lying...it is a HF
    If you dont update everything runs  like before ,slow and expensive.if you want cheaper and faster tx on btc segwet you have to
    update and more.


1. Blockstream did not invent lightning and do not control the protocol layer

Blockstream does not have any commit access to any full node/wallet repos not even the core one all they can do is submit a BIP with supporting code and hope it gets enough interest to be accepted

2. No segwit is a SF you can use any earlier client even one from a few years ago without segwit and it will still stay on the BTC chain

Hell you could even fork off the latest core client and remove all segwit and it would still follow the BTC chain but why go to that extreme when you can simply turn off segwit in the config file under 0.16.0 thus option was not available under 0.15.x because segwit was not the default format and you had to OPT IN

Or use knots that does not use segwit by default yet and remains in consensus with the BTC chain

3. And again you don't have to upgrade yes it costs more on legacy due to having a lower WU but that's a user option not a forced option


1 core worked alongside blockstream....bitcoin core aka blockstreams bitch

2- its a HF

3- yes you do need to update because who the hell likes slow and expensive tx?? 

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April 04, 2018, 11:18:18 AM
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I can see a BCH split sometime this year with the amount of disagreements going off though

Hmm. So are you saying that BCH:
1) is tightly controlled by a centralized cabal; or
2) splintering in fractious discord?

It can't be both. Pick a narrative and stick with it, willya?

1- Both Bcash has a following of gullible people that believe everything that some claim like CSW, Ver etc because they don't have the technical knowledge to know any different so "trust" in someone that appears very smart

2- But as more changes are happening there is more friction being created as the changes are being forced through a HF with a either upgrade or f##k off approach and the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel by eather forking off again or going back to BTC


3- While BTC is using a much safer SF method where if you agree with changes you can upgrade without issues and if you do not agree and don't upgrade you won't be forced off the network and everything will run just as before



1- Bitcoin cash is not followed by gullible people, its followed by people that want bitcoin to be bitcoin, not a 2nd layer controlled by blockstream...a company..for profit.
   OG btc was hijacked, using node exploit they stole the Bitcoin name and brand by segwetters, the thing is they call themselves btc Maximilists but always refer to using ltc as a payment method...hmmm
   maybe they are really litecoiners that hijacked btc.

2- segwet is a HF.
Everything you said at point 2 is your answer for Bitcoin cash being here today....we were not happy with the HF on og btc,
"so the smarter ones are starting to speak out and will eventually leave the cartel(blockstream) by either forking off again or going back to BTC "via BCH.  

3- btc is not using a safer SF , stop lying...it is a HF
    If you dont update everything runs  like before ,slow and expensive.if you want cheaper and faster tx on btc segwet you have to
    update and more.


1. Blockstream did not invent lightning and do not control the protocol layer

Blockstream does not have any commit access to any full node/wallet repos not even the core one all they can do is submit a BIP with supporting code and hope it gets enough interest to be accepted

2. No segwit is a SF you can use any earlier client even one from a few years ago without segwit and it will still stay on the BTC chain

Hell you could even fork off the latest core client and remove all segwit and it would still follow the BTC chain but why go to that extreme when you can simply turn off segwit in the config file under 0.16.0 thus option was not available under 0.15.x because segwit was not the default format and you had to OPT IN

Or use knots that does not use segwit by default yet and remains in consensus with the BTC chain

3. And again you don't have to upgrade yes it costs more on legacy due to having a lower WU but that's a user option not a forced option


1 core worked alongside blockstream....bitcoin core aka blockstreams bitch

2- its a HF

3- yes you do need to update because who the hell likes slow and expensive tx?? 

Blockstream just submits code the same as me and you could
Segwit was originally going to be a HF but was later found a way to make it a SF that legacy non upgraded nodes just ignore

No one like slow and expensive transactions but that's not forcing you to upgrade

I didn't upgrade to segwit for 2 or 3 month but didn't get kicked off during that time and if you have a balance that you do not trade or spend from then you are better off keeping it in a legacy address that way you can very easily claim the many forks that show up using the few non upgraded wallets that they get to support them

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April 04, 2018, 11:35:57 AM
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Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

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April 04, 2018, 11:48:58 AM
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Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

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Good luck with that you need it BCH couldn't topple BTC when it was extremely slow and expensive during the massive bullrun when everyone was FOMOing now everything is back to normal levels and BTC is fast and cheap you expect that to change

Now is the time that BCH can prove itself it's cheaper than ever before almost as cheap as forkday so why aren't people flocking to buy it, why is is constantly loosing ground to BTC, why does it only have a tiny fraction of the transaction Percentage when it has just "involantry adopted" 1000s of new merchants after all BTC was holding the market back right but BCH has removed the restriction why isn't it now steamrolling forward

Please enlighten us all
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April 04, 2018, 11:57:17 AM
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Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

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Good luck with that you need it BCH couldn't topple BTC when it was extremely slow and expensive during the massive bullrun when everyone was FOMOing now everything is back to normal levels and BTC is fast and cheap you expect that to change

Now is the time that BCH can prove itself it's cheaper than ever before almost as cheap as forkday so why aren't people flocking to buy it, why is is constantly loosing ground to BTC, why does it only have a tiny fraction of the transaction Percentage when it has just "involantry adopted" 1000s of new merchants after all BTC was holding the market back right but BCH has removed the restriction why isn't it now steamrolling forward

Please enlighten us all me

BCH has only been around for 6months or a bit more..during that time period it peaked at over $4k per coin a few month back. ($4k the soon to be og btc price)
old btc has the ticker and markets to all the alts, giving it a huge advantage over bch.
bch should have the btc ticker while segwitcoin should be called segwetcoin lol

BCH will be fine, its young, fresh and full of energy...give it some time to mature and you will see where it goes.
 its old segwet coin you should be worried about...what if ln fails? what if ln users start losing funds? what if miners decide to switch over to bch?

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 04, 2018, 12:35:17 PM
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Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

 Shocked
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Good luck with that you need it BCH couldn't topple BTC when it was extremely slow and expensive during the massive bullrun when everyone was FOMOing now everything is back to normal levels and BTC is fast and cheap you expect that to change

Now is the time that BCH can prove itself it's cheaper than ever before almost as cheap as forkday so why aren't people flocking to buy it, why is is constantly loosing ground to BTC, why does it only have a tiny fraction of the transaction Percentage when it has just "involantry adopted" 1000s of new merchants after all BTC was holding the market back right but BCH has removed the restriction why isn't it now steamrolling forward

Please enlighten us all me

BCH has only been around for 6months or a bit more..during that time period it peaked at over $4k per coin a few month back. ($4k the soon to be og btc price)
old btc has the ticker and markets to all the alts, giving it a huge advantage over bch.
bch should have the btc ticker while segwitcoin should be called segwetcoin lol

BCH will be fine, its young, fresh and full of energy...give it some time to mature and you will see where it goes.
 its old segwet coin you should be worried about...what if ln fails? what if ln users start losing funds? what if miners decide to switch over to bch?

It's only been around for 6 months who are you kidding it forked  1st August and is 8 month old now but everyone got it there was already over 16m in circulation so no matter how young it is it didn't start as a baby it was born to the same adoption as BTC and is now accepted everywhere and got it's own trading pairs that are now being removed because nobody is using them

It was a valid and worthwhile project that failed very few technology wars have lasted longer than a year with the outcome usually set within the first few months and the rest if the time spent by the few remaining supporters trying to convince everyone why they are better before begrudgingly forfeiting and admitting defeat to great monetry loss

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April 04, 2018, 01:11:31 PM
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Feeding destructors and trolls never can lead to success.

I wonder a bit why these trollmobs have energies left? Still fearing competition?

Get a live ...


BCH is a good target for trolls so build things up and be not derailed by others fear here.

 Shocked
 Wink

Good luck with that you need it BCH couldn't topple BTC when it was extremely slow and expensive during the massive bullrun when everyone was FOMOing now everything is back to normal levels and BTC is fast and cheap you expect that to change

Now is the time that BCH can prove itself it's cheaper than ever before almost as cheap as forkday so why aren't people flocking to buy it, why is is constantly loosing ground to BTC, why does it only have a tiny fraction of the transaction Percentage when it has just "involantry adopted" 1000s of new merchants after all BTC was holding the market back right but BCH has removed the restriction why isn't it now steamrolling forward

Please enlighten us all me

BCH has only been around for 6months or a bit more..during that time period it peaked at over $4k per coin a few month back. ($4k the soon to be og btc price)
old btc has the ticker and markets to all the alts, giving it a huge advantage over bch.
bch should have the btc ticker while segwitcoin should be called segwetcoin lol

BCH will be fine, its young, fresh and full of energy...give it some time to mature and you will see where it goes.
 its old segwet coin you should be worried about...what if ln fails? what if ln users start losing funds? what if miners decide to switch over to bch?

It's only been around for 6 months who are you kidding it forked  1st August and is 8 month old now but everyone got it there was already over 16m in circulation so no matter how young it is it didn't start as a baby it was born to the same adoption as BTC and is now accepted everywhere and got it's own trading pairs that are now being removed because nobody is using them

It was a valid and worthwhile project that failed very few technology wars have lasted longer than a year with the outcome usually set within the first few months and the rest if the time spent by the few remaining supporters trying to convince everyone why they are better before begrudgingly forfeiting and admitting defeat to great monetry loss


8months is a bit more than 6months, so im not kidding anyone.
born to the same adoption but given a new name and ticker! new name is new and bch ticker is new.
trading pairs removed from a few new small exchanges...so what
 1st the pairs they had for bch were mostly shitcoin paired
 2nd ive saw coins being delisted...then magically relisted a few month later (drk bitfinex being one)

failed? says who...you lol
 
As for the monetary loss, please get your head out of your ass , its affecting all crypto...not just bch.

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
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How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 04, 2018, 01:16:24 PM
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BCH rebound is relatively weak, and the positions can be thrown away. Personal feeling BCH will experience a big fall again, and the test will be more consistent with the trader.

Actually recent conditions are not into fever of cryptocurrencies all analysis are going into wrong direction and nothing working perfect. Overall all projects are suffering with this situation it is not only BCH who is in into this trend the market is still very bearish for all and day trading is becoming more risky in these days.

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April 04, 2018, 01:36:59 PM
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BCH rebound is relatively weak, and the positions can be thrown away. Personal feeling BCH will experience a big fall again, and the test will be more consistent with the trader.

Actually recent conditions are not into fever of cryptocurrencies all analysis are going into wrong direction and nothing working perfect. Overall all projects are suffering with this situation it is not only BCH who is in into this trend the market is still very bearish for all and day trading is becoming more risky in these days.
I agree with your explanation, right now almost all cryptocurrency assets are decreasing so BCH is not the only big coin that is in free fall in this difficult time we just have to wait until all recovered.

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April 04, 2018, 02:20:16 PM
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Mining went so difficult when not the actual eyes are within the MNX right now, things could be more difficult to my own and MNX will become much more valuable once the coin can get traction within mainstream press.

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April 04, 2018, 02:29:51 PM
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Coinmarketcap is showing marketcap using a false economy of (coinsupply*value)=marketcap

that screen is showing how much each coin has fallen and what percentage it needs to regain its prior status

'How much each coin has fallen', as measured by...?

By current value thus is completely different to marketcap

Yes marketcap is using the same metric

Thanks. That's what I thought. Another exemplary employment of consistency.  Roll Eyes

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April 04, 2018, 02:40:29 PM
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Coinmarketcap is showing marketcap using a false economy of (coinsupply*value)=marketcap

that screen is showing how much each coin has fallen and what percentage it needs to regain its prior status

'How much each coin has fallen', as measured by...?

By current value thus is completely different to marketcap

Yes marketcap is using the same metric

Thanks. That's what I thought. Another exemplary employment of consistency.  Roll Eyes

And you cut the rest of the reply market cap assumes every asset/token/coin carries the same value which is false as many are lost and you have to presume that BCH has a lot more lost than BTC simply because every BTC lost is also lost under BCH plus any that was lost during the fork from people trying to split and failing to not even attempting and sending BCH to segwit addresses etc etc

For market cap to be anywhere close to a realistic value you need to subtract all lost assets

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April 04, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
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txhighway is a nice website with live details of transaction, whoever created seems to be a legend in web designing
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April 04, 2018, 03:29:56 PM
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txhighway is a nice website with live details of transaction, whoever created seems to be a legend in web designing

It was a clone of a Bitcoin visualiser just with modified files
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April 04, 2018, 05:28:02 PM
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txhighway is a nice website with live details of transaction, whoever created seems to be a legend in web designing

It was a clone of a Bitcoin visualiser just with modified files
seems to be a copy and paste pattern forming here.

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April 04, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
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https://twitter.com/acinq_co/status/981588999121850368?s=19

The first user friendly LN wallet is now available on mainnet and no you don't need to run a full node for this one

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April 04, 2018, 06:16:03 PM
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All the information with the picture more confused to understand this project there are other tricks of this project to succeed
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April 04, 2018, 06:23:19 PM
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This segwit dragging whole market down with it. More ppl switching to BCH by selling their segwits.
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April 04, 2018, 08:53:33 PM
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The first user friendly LN wallet is now available on mainnet and no you don't need to run a full node for this one

I fail to see what that has to do with Bitcoin Cash. Or are you just trolling again?
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April 05, 2018, 12:45:06 AM
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Bitcoin ABC 0.17.0 has been released!
https://download.bitcoinabc.org/0.17.0

May 15 Hard Fork
https://www.bitcoinabc.org/may15hardfork

Use cases for re-enabled op codes
https://www.yours.org/content/use-cases-for-re-enabled-op-codes-8b150b6a0deb

A good list of features under development/discussion
https://cash.coin.dance/development

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