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Not provably fair doesnt mean that the site is cheating, it just means you cant verify wether the site cheats you or not and it only works if you verify your own bets otherwise it doesnt. I do know that. I also do know that not knowing whether my money was wagered fairly or not means that cynicism and skepticism should be the default. We don't automatically assume the best of others in hypotheticals, do we? That would be an incredibly silly way to operate! I doubt that majority of the player would verify their bets one by one after rolling tons with the autobet on the original stake game, do you? We have bots for that, but regardless just because a minority of players actually care that their bets are verifiable doesn't mean that it's not important. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Remember, I'm not complaining about Stake at all. I'm complaining about these providers. That's an important distinction.
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July 20, 2020, 09:49:02 PM |
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Remember, I'm not complaining about Stake at all. I'm complaining about these providers. That's an important distinction.
It seems to me that you are complaining about their decision to side with all these non provably fair game provider ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) but I truly get your point and your frustration on this matter. For a site like Stake that boast their site being provably fair to side with all these game providers might seems to be an unpleasant thing to some people They have made their decision and have put all those 3rd party game on their site, This will be a starting point to wether Stake will be more popular in the future with all these new games or this would be their downfall for siding with non provably fair provider. I personally choose to believe on the former option ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Well atleast Stake put the house edge of those 3rd party game in the game description unlike some other site that host the same game ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
You should try and check their live game like Monopoly, its fun to watch even if you are not betting any ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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July 20, 2020, 09:52:29 PM |
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One of the best parts about stake was the fact that they were their own providers and they were dealing with everything themselves. I think it is amazing that there is a lot more games but I am not sure about how much I trust those other providers, I know stake and love stake, I do not know the other ones, the other ones are brand new to me and I am not sure if I trust them or not.
However this is definitely a step towards something much better, this is just a good improvement, and stake 3 came in a bit too big obviously, there was smaller improvements along the way during this period in v2 but with v3 now it is a lot bigger. Hopefully we will get used to the other providers as well and we can use this amazing amount of games, it is definitely something that can occupy someones mind for a long time.
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July 21, 2020, 01:30:04 AM |
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Edit : @Symphonized : Your signature still says Stake 2 , you might want to change it to Stake 3 ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) True, Thank You for the heads up ICYMI | We posted a part two to our best sports documentaries of all time!With documentaries ranging from the stories of @SHAQ to Pablo Escobar, there is a lot to unpack in these classic productions! Read all about it here: https://news.stake.com/top-5-sports-documentaries-part-2/![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FW62zi79.png&t=665&c=p_p1XVtlYZnBOQ)
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July 21, 2020, 02:18:32 AM |
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Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.
Crypto Gaming Foundation was and is a complete joke.
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July 21, 2020, 04:13:30 AM |
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Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.
Stake Originals will continue to be a prime focus, the new providers were highly demanded and are available for those who enjoy them. Stake games remain the primary section of the website. With our new partnerships we are now in a position to action change in the long-term from a provider level. We are not trying to pretend like the third party providers are provably fair, we did however carefully select our partners. https://stake.com/casino/group/stake-originals if you prefer to view Stake without the extra games
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July 21, 2020, 04:14:29 AM |
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Remember, I'm not complaining about Stake at all. I'm complaining about these providers. That's an important distinction.
It seems to me that you are complaining about their decision to side with all these non provably fair game provider ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) but I truly get your point and your frustration on this matter. For a site like Stake that boast their site being provably fair to side with all these game providers might seems to be an unpleasant thing to some people They have made their decision and have put all those 3rd party game on their site, This will be a starting point to wether Stake will be more popular in the future with all these new games or this would be their downfall for siding with non provably fair provider. I personally choose to believe on the former option ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Well atleast Stake put the house edge of those 3rd party game in the game description unlike some other site that host the same game ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
You should try and check their live game like Monopoly, its fun to watch even if you are not betting any ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) @arallmuss @actmyname while I’m yet checking the games I have to ask when did Stake plan this big upgrade, because few days ago when members here were asking for new games they did not provide any insight that these games would be coming this month. Also I saw the live monopoly it’s indeed fun to watch, and I can’t wait to wager some small amounts to test it and hopefully win the big price too. Btw, why Stake team has no interest to cooperate with live dealer providers for better user experience?
I guess they want to maintain their list of games being provably fair. It's easy for them to get a third party provider and get more games but it's better if they slowly release their own games as they'll be known for the uniqueness of their games instead of having several games that could be seen on tons of casinos. Exactly and I do not think that Stake has intentions to provide live dealer games. Even if they want to do so in the future, I guess they will provide it themselves without 3rd party providers. Having original games created by themselves is better than providing tons of games from 3rd party providers. Even if one day they decide to do live dealers for some reason (probably earning more money) they would probably do it themselves and not a provider. It is not really that hard to have few managers, few dealers and some tables in a place and pay them to make more money, however it is one of the costliest ways to start a game and you can never really make it provably fair as well which is a big hit to stake's mindset. They are known to be obsessed about provably fair, they even had like this organization or something for provably fair casinos in crypto world. So, I do not think they will even consider it (and there is really not much reason to it) and even if by some magical luck that they do end up working on it, it will be purely stake workers and stake responsibility and not some third party provider. We thought about that but its not as simple as it seems there is a lot of infrastructure needed to stream that 24/7 But who knows maybe one day
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July 21, 2020, 05:46:33 AM |
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This new update is pretty decent in my opinion. The big pro is the ability to check details regarding the game like house edge etc before playing which is something I usually check though provably fair mechanism is an issue as the posters above pointed out.
game details and thier house edge is already available before the upgrade afaik but i still love the old site in my opinion , the site looks more complicated now with so many writings while i like the simple design/layout because they arent confusing . Also, the segregation of Stake Originals and 3rd party games in an organized manner is another pro. However, performance still needs improvement in many departments on mobile and desktop.
they need to oganized it so that thier own games wont mixed on the other . its still thier website anyway and the games are only came from thier providers but yes performance had dropped alot . now i often experience much loading operning the first page and opening the games . site refreshes too more often
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July 21, 2020, 06:08:35 AM |
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Thank you for the explanation about this Stunna. I think it was not going to be surprising to see the comments from the old players, safe to say that people who came to gambling with crypto not only admired provably fair, they believed that this was the way to go from now on, so Stake 3 expanding non-provably-fair games does seem to hurt but we'll all get over it:)
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July 21, 2020, 09:04:39 AM |
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One of the best parts about stake was the fact that they were their own providers and they were dealing with everything themselves. I think it is amazing that there is a lot more games but I am not sure about how much I trust those other providers, I know stake and love stake, I do not know the other ones, the other ones are brand new to me and I am not sure if I trust them or not.
However this is definitely a step towards something much better, this is just a good improvement, and stake 3 came in a bit too big obviously, there was smaller improvements along the way during this period in v2 but with v3 now it is a lot bigger. Hopefully we will get used to the other providers as well and we can use this amazing amount of games, it is definitely something that can occupy someones mind for a long time.
They still have their own original games, so I do not see what all the fuss is all about. There are so many other casinos out there, so it is understandable that Stake has to step up with loads more games to stay competitive. Gamblers get bored soon and then they move on to the next casino that are catering for their needs. I played the Egyptian Slot for months, because it was the only one on this site.. I then asked for more Slots to be added and they added the new Samurai slot.. if they did not add more slots, I would have been bored in a few weeks and then I would have moved over to other casinos with a wider variety of slots. (It is just as simple as that.)
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July 21, 2020, 10:24:48 AM |
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Remember, I'm not complaining about Stake at all. I'm complaining about these providers. That's an important distinction.
It seems to me that you are complaining about their decision to side with all these non provably fair game provider ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) but I truly get your point and your frustration on this matter. For a site like Stake that boast their site being provably fair to side with all these game providers might seems to be an unpleasant thing to some people They have made their decision and have put all those 3rd party game on their site, This will be a starting point to wether Stake will be more popular in the future with all these new games or this would be their downfall for siding with non provably fair provider. I personally choose to believe on the former option ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Well atleast Stake put the house edge of those 3rd party game in the game description unlike some other site that host the same game ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
You should try and check their live game like Monopoly, its fun to watch even if you are not betting any ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) @arallmuss @actmyname while I’m yet checking the games I have to ask when did Stake plan this big upgrade, because few days ago when members here were asking for new games they did not provide any insight that these games would be coming this month. Also I saw the live monopoly it’s indeed fun to watch, and I can’t wait to wager some small amounts to test it and hopefully win the big price too. Btw, why Stake team has no interest to cooperate with live dealer providers for better user experience?
I guess they want to maintain their list of games being provably fair. It's easy for them to get a third party provider and get more games but it's better if they slowly release their own games as they'll be known for the uniqueness of their games instead of having several games that could be seen on tons of casinos. Exactly and I do not think that Stake has intentions to provide live dealer games. Even if they want to do so in the future, I guess they will provide it themselves without 3rd party providers. Having original games created by themselves is better than providing tons of games from 3rd party providers. Even if one day they decide to do live dealers for some reason (probably earning more money) they would probably do it themselves and not a provider. It is not really that hard to have few managers, few dealers and some tables in a place and pay them to make more money, however it is one of the costliest ways to start a game and you can never really make it provably fair as well which is a big hit to stake's mindset. They are known to be obsessed about provably fair, they even had like this organization or something for provably fair casinos in crypto world. So, I do not think they will even consider it (and there is really not much reason to it) and even if by some magical luck that they do end up working on it, it will be purely stake workers and stake responsibility and not some third party provider. We thought about that but its not as simple as it seems there is a lot of infrastructure needed to stream that 24/7 But who knows maybe one day I said that about our own live dealers. At that point i already knew we are adding evolution gaming and others obviously but we like to keep our updates secret. We did give some hints though
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July 21, 2020, 10:27:20 AM |
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This new update is pretty decent in my opinion. The big pro is the ability to check details regarding the game like house edge etc before playing which is something I usually check though provably fair mechanism is an issue as the posters above pointed out.
game details and thier house edge is already available before the upgrade afaik but i still love the old site in my opinion , the site looks more complicated now with so many writings while i like the simple design/layout because they arent confusing . Also, the segregation of Stake Originals and 3rd party games in an organized manner is another pro. However, performance still needs improvement in many departments on mobile and desktop.
they need to oganized it so that thier own games wont mixed on the other . its still thier website anyway and the games are only came from thier providers but yes performance had dropped alot . now i often experience much loading operning the first page and opening the games . site refreshes too more often We already did. Top of the page will always be only our games. And also you can select group stake originals and you wont see other games but our.
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July 21, 2020, 05:00:20 PM |
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One of the best parts about stake was the fact that they were their own providers and they were dealing with everything themselves. I think it is amazing that there is a lot more games but I am not sure about how much I trust those other providers, I know stake and love stake, I do not know the other ones, the other ones are brand new to me and I am not sure if I trust them or not.
However this is definitely a step towards something much better, this is just a good improvement, and stake 3 came in a bit too big obviously, there was smaller improvements along the way during this period in v2 but with v3 now it is a lot bigger. Hopefully we will get used to the other providers as well and we can use this amazing amount of games, it is definitely something that can occupy someones mind for a long time.
They still have their own original games, so I do not see what all the fuss is all about. There are so many other casinos out there, so it is understandable that Stake has to step up with loads more games to stay competitive. Gamblers get bored soon and then they move on to the next casino that are catering for their needs. I played the Egyptian Slot for months, because it was the only one on this site.. I then asked for more Slots to be added and they added the new Samurai slot.. if they did not add more slots, I would have been bored in a few weeks and then I would have moved over to other casinos with a wider variety of slots. (It is just as simple as that.) Stake was a step behind on the other casinos by not having games from 3rd party providers so it is indeed a logic and good step in the right direction. Even if there are not provably fair, they provide a lot of fun. By the way, thanks for the reload bonus ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Kakmakr
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July 21, 2020, 05:37:24 PM |
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I played a lot of the Slot games from many of the new service providers and my experience was not that good. I kept on losing "connection" with the server errors during play. I also think Stake are losing some of the micro betting appeal with these games. The lowest bet on most of these games are $0.10 per bet ....where we can play for a fraction of a cent on Stake original games. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I hoped to have played these slots with micro bets too... but they are just a BTC to $ conversion of the original Fiat casinos... not really Crypto games. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif)
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I doubt that non-provably fair games would make too much issue, I mean they are there and you are free to play them but nobody is forcing you to play them at all. You can still play at the provably fair original stake games if you want to and that is what matters, they are not taking that away from you. Plus, it is more like 10% of the games are provably fair and not 1%, there is about 500 games in total and there is about 20-30 games of stake right? I didn't count but it is not 5 for sure, so it is not 1%.
So, you still get to play provably fair games that you are certain you will not be cheated out on and other people who want to test the new games would end up playing in those ones, this way everyone gets to be happy and playing on the games they would prefer to play.
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July 22, 2020, 09:15:09 AM |
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Does anyone know if I can accumulate 7 days reload into one piece and make a bet, or do I have to spend previous day free reload to get a new one? So far ai have noticed, that selecting ltc is the best one due to its low withdrawal minimum and fee. P.s Can i exchange doge to ltc on stake or exchange works only with crappy alts (forgot to check it and now I.m far from pc)?
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July 22, 2020, 09:33:23 AM |
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Does anyone know if I can accumulate 7 days reload into one piece and make a bet, or do I have to spend previous day free reload to get a new one? So far ai have noticed, that selecting ltc is the best one due to its low withdrawal minimum and fee. P.s Can i exchange doge to ltc on stake or exchange works only with crappy alts (forgot to check it and now I.m far from pc)?
I always claim mine everyday so I could use them as a withdrawal fee. I haven't heard rules about reloads so putting it all on one bet should be okay. If you're going to exchange below the minimum withdraw amount I suggest using dinabot.
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July 22, 2020, 09:50:23 AM |
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Bad experience when I played DICE, all my funds disappeared with successive defeats, this is my sad day, is there any advice in the game DICE? or is there a good strategy in playing DICE here?
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July 22, 2020, 11:02:40 AM |
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I hoped to have played these slots with micro bets too... but they are just a BTC to $ conversion of the original Fiat casinos... not really Crypto games. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) This is a con that I have noticed too. One of the best parts of crypto gambling is the ability to bet with minute amounts so that we can stay in the game longer and have more fun. 3rd party providers should have done better in this aspect. Bad experience when I played DICE, all my funds disappeared with successive defeats, this is my sad day, is there any advice in the game DICE? or is there a good strategy in playing DICE here?
There is no perfect strategy for any game in gambling. If you wish to have fun, you could try strategies like Martingale, D'ALEMBERT etc, but don't expect to always win or anything.
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