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Have to change our seed again? That stopped me from hunting 9900x with +12k reds. This happened to me twice so far. In the past I did the same hunt and got more than 25k reds and suddently they forced me to change the seed. And now, it happened again! I dont wont to get the same problem again in the future, so I wont hunt 9900x again at Primedice!
Develop new method that doesnt need to wait too much rolls to win! x100 or x990 maybe better!
Yea, I see no reason why if they are transfering over the database (as in the site) including the bet logs, history, etc, why they can't just transfer the seeds over as well. Such a small piece of data when when looking at the big picture of whats in their rolls database. But they do seed changes from time to time. Perhaps they see a win coming that is too big. It is not about the server being transferred but I believe it is because someone won huge from 0.01 btc to 80 btc so I think stunna is securing the seed by changing it therefore to be fair player needs to change their seed once again or the site will not be a ' provably fair ' site if they change it without telling the player Forcing a seed change resets the outcome of all future bets. Once a seed is set, all bets you will make with those seeds are already generated. They can take the client seed, server seed, and any random nonce (roll) say 54,202nd roll and get 44.52 the exact roll. All in advance. So if a player is playing say 9900x and at max payout... which I think is 20BTC, they could, see that in 200 rolls the player will hit it, and hit a 2nd 9900 only 200 bets later resulting in a 40BTC payout to the player. Server down. Change Seeds folks, we had to update our Database! |
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July 14, 2016, 03:10:26 PM |
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Have to change our seed again? That stopped me from hunting 9900x with +12k reds. This happened to me twice so far. In the past I did the same hunt and got more than 25k reds and suddently they forced me to change the seed. And now, it happened again! I dont wont to get the same problem again in the future, so I wont hunt 9900x again at Primedice!
Develop new method that doesnt need to wait too much rolls to win! x100 or x990 maybe better!
Yea, I see no reason why if they are transfering over the database (as in the site) including the bet logs, history, etc, why they can't just transfer the seeds over as well. Such a small piece of data when when looking at the big picture of whats in their rolls database. But they do seed changes from time to time. Perhaps they see a win coming that is too big. It is not about the server being transferred but I believe it is because someone won huge from 0.01 btc to 80 btc so I think stunna is securing the seed by changing it therefore to be fair player needs to change their seed once again or the site will not be a ' provably fair ' site if they change it without telling the player Forcing a seed change resets the outcome of all future bets. Once a seed is set, all bets you will make with those seeds are already generated. They can take the client seed, server seed, and any random nonce (roll) say 54,202nd roll and get 44.52 the exact roll. All in advance. So if a player is playing say 9900x and at max payout... which I think is 20BTC, they could, see that in 200 rolls the player will hit it, and hit a 2nd 9900 only 200 bets later resulting in a 40BTC payout to the player. Server down. Change Seeds folks, we had to update our Database! You dont seem to know about provably fair. The roll number is not generated only from server seed, the roll number is actually generated from server seed + client seed so if they change the server seed and doesnt let the player change the server seed before playing that that is an obvious cheating |
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July 14, 2016, 03:18:30 PM |
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Have to change our seed again? That stopped me from hunting 9900x with +12k reds. This happened to me twice so far. In the past I did the same hunt and got more than 25k reds and suddently they forced me to change the seed. And now, it happened again! I dont wont to get the same problem again in the future, so I wont hunt 9900x again at Primedice!
Develop new method that doesnt need to wait too much rolls to win! x100 or x990 maybe better!
Yea, I see no reason why if they are transfering over the database (as in the site) including the bet logs, history, etc, why they can't just transfer the seeds over as well. Such a small piece of data when when looking at the big picture of whats in their rolls database. But they do seed changes from time to time. Perhaps they see a win coming that is too big. It is not about the server being transferred but I believe it is because someone won huge from 0.01 btc to 80 btc so I think stunna is securing the seed by changing it therefore to be fair player needs to change their seed once again or the site will not be a ' provably fair ' site if they change it without telling the player Forcing a seed change resets the outcome of all future bets. Once a seed is set, all bets you will make with those seeds are already generated. They can take the client seed, server seed, and any random nonce (roll) say 54,202nd roll and get 44.52 the exact roll. All in advance. So if a player is playing say 9900x and at max payout... which I think is 20BTC, they could, see that in 200 rolls the player will hit it, and hit a 2nd 9900 only 200 bets later resulting in a 40BTC payout to the player. Server down. Change Seeds folks, we had to update our Database! You dont seem to know about provably fair. The roll number is not generated only from server seed, the roll number is actually generated from server seed + client seed so if they change the server seed and doesnt let the player change the server seed before playing that that is an obvious cheating The roll number is the roll number. Period. It's called the nonce. The hash is generated from the server seed which is unknown to the player (the hash is provided), the client seed, and the roll number. If you have the server seed, and the client seed, which PD does prior to any roll, add any roll number and you can hash it and get the result (what the roll will be). The roll is not generated. Its a variable number that increases by 1 every roll that you make with a given seed. I understand provably fair. |
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oHnK
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July 14, 2016, 03:22:22 PM |
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Have to change our seed again? That stopped me from hunting 9900x with +12k reds. This happened to me twice so far. In the past I did the same hunt and got more than 25k reds and suddently they forced me to change the seed. And now, it happened again! I dont wont to get the same problem again in the future, so I wont hunt 9900x again at Primedice!
Develop new method that doesnt need to wait too much rolls to win! x100 or x990 maybe better!
Yea, I see no reason why if they are transfering over the database (as in the site) including the bet logs, history, etc, why they can't just transfer the seeds over as well. Such a small piece of data when when looking at the big picture of whats in their rolls database. But they do seed changes from time to time. Perhaps they see a win coming that is too big. It is not about the server being transferred but I believe it is because someone won huge from 0.01 btc to 80 btc so I think stunna is securing the seed by changing it therefore to be fair player needs to change their seed once again or the site will not be a ' provably fair ' site if they change it without telling the player Forcing a seed change resets the outcome of all future bets. Once a seed is set, all bets you will make with those seeds are already generated. They can take the client seed, server seed, and any random nonce (roll) say 54,202nd roll and get 44.52 the exact roll. All in advance. So if a player is playing say 9900x and at max payout... which I think is 20BTC, they could, see that in 200 rolls the player will hit it, and hit a 2nd 9900 only 200 bets later resulting in a 40BTC payout to the player. Server down. Change Seeds folks, we had to update our Database! You dont seem to know about provably fair. The roll number is not generated only from server seed, the roll number is actually generated from server seed + client seed so if they change the server seed and doesnt let the player change the server seed before playing that that is an obvious cheating The roll number is the roll number. Period. It's called the nonce. The hash is generated from the server seed which is unknown to the player (the hash is provided), the client seed, and the roll number. If you have the server seed, and the client seed, which PD does prior to any roll, add any roll number and you can hash it and get the result (what the roll will be). The roll is not generated. Its a variable number that increases by 1 every roll that you make with a given seed. I understand provably fair. , however it is too much work to do when you have to change your seed everytime so people tend to ignore it as most of them are using bots to roll on the site |
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oHnK
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July 14, 2016, 03:31:30 PM |
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which is why it is always recommended to change your seed anytime before you do a roll
No it's not. As long as you set your own client seed after the server has committed to a seed (by providing you a hash of it), there's no point in updating your seed each time. That's the whole point of the nonce system. The only caveat would be that if you're playing in a predictable fashion, the server could "look into the future" and know how you are going to perform, and possibly take action Doesnt the house wont be able to do so if you keep changing your seed everytime before you roll? the result of course will be different even if you play in the same predictable fashion everytime example, changing low to High each time you hit a red and so on |
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July 14, 2016, 03:32:26 PM |
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which is why it is always recommended to change your seed anytime before you do a roll
No it's not. As long as you set your own client seed after the server has committed to a seed (by providing you a hash of it), there's no point in updating your seed each time. That's the whole point of the nonce system. The only caveat would be that if you're playing in a predictable fashion, the server could "look into the future" and know how you are going to perform, and possibly take action is this the reason why if you are using same bet pattern and you keep on winning the time of uncounted losing streak will happen? just got curious because i did use martingail system from my small bankroll calculated the possible losing streak up to 15 rolls and start the game and after maybe 20-30 minutes 22 straight loss happen i really didn't take that much because of the small bankroll but when read your reply saying that the system will anticipate you in the future it concerned me now. thanks. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:34:59 PM |
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July 14, 2016, 03:36:00 PM |
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which is why it is always recommended to change your seed anytime before you do a roll
No it's not. As long as you set your own client seed after the server has committed to a seed (by providing you a hash of it), there's no point in updating your seed each time. That's the whole point of the nonce system. The only caveat would be that if you're playing in a predictable fashion, the server could "look into the future" and know how you are going to perform, and possibly take action Which is exactly what I had used as an example scenario. PD knows all future bets in advance. I just find it downright odd, that a website has to go dark, totally offline, for an hour a day, or every other day. I can't think of any site I know of that is "dark" like this. Either their tech people are seriously not on point, or something fishy is going on, or so I would think. I mean, if a huge, HUGE website, like Facebook has a full makeover, huge upgrade, the downtime is pre-announced, well in advance, and there is likely little to no outage. I ran a website, and when I did upgrades, there was no downtime at all, the site was built, and then if redone, the index page was the last thing to be changed, which linked into the already built and pre-tested new version. Update that simple landing page, and boom, new site up. |
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BBHex
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July 14, 2016, 03:36:58 PM |
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PD Down? Looks like it is down, i am getting cloudflare error 502 when i tried to visit the site just now. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:40:37 PM |
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which is why it is always recommended to change your seed anytime before you do a roll
No it's not. As long as you set your own client seed after the server has committed to a seed (by providing you a hash of it), there's no point in updating your seed each time. That's the whole point of the nonce system. The only caveat would be that if you're playing in a predictable fashion, the server could "look into the future" and know how you are going to perform, and possibly take action is this the reason why if you are using same bet pattern and you keep on winning the time of uncounted losing streak will happen? just got curious because i did use martingail system from my small bankroll calculated the possible losing streak up to 15 rolls and start the game and after maybe 20-30 minutes 22 straight loss happen i really didn't take that much because of the small bankroll but when read your reply saying that the system will anticipate you in the future it concerned me now. thanks. The odds of a 22 streak (roughly) if you were betting 60 rolls per minute for 30 minutes and were betting 2x are 1 in 5000 chance. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:41:23 PM |
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which is why it is always recommended to change your seed anytime before you do a roll
No it's not. As long as you set your own client seed after the server has committed to a seed (by providing you a hash of it), there's no point in updating your seed each time. That's the whole point of the nonce system. The only caveat would be that if you're playing in a predictable fashion, the server could "look into the future" and know how you are going to perform, and possibly take action Which is exactly what I had used as an example scenario. PD knows all future bets in advance. I just find it downright odd, that a website has to go dark, totally offline, for an hour a day, or every other day. I can't think of any site I know of that is "dark" like this. Either their tech people are seriously not on point, or something fishy is going on, or so I would think. I mean, if a huge, HUGE website, like Facebook has a full makeover, huge upgrade, the downtime is pre-announced, well in advance, and there is likely little to no outage. I ran a website, and when I did upgrades, there was no downtime at all, the site was built, and then if redone, the index page was the last thing to be changed, which linked into the already built and pre-tested new version. Update that simple landing page, and boom, new site up. Meh, it would take much more than an hour if you wanted to fake bets and stuff. Maintenance is always crucial for a website and maybe it's not worth it to have another server online when doing maintenance on the main one (especially when we're talking about a thing like betting ...). |
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July 14, 2016, 03:43:11 PM |
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which is why it is always recommended to change your seed anytime before you do a roll
No it's not. As long as you set your own client seed after the server has committed to a seed (by providing you a hash of it), there's no point in updating your seed each time. That's the whole point of the nonce system. The only caveat would be that if you're playing in a predictable fashion, the server could "look into the future" and know how you are going to perform, and possibly take action Which is exactly what I had used as an example scenario. PD knows all future bets in advance. I just find it downright odd, that a website has to go dark, totally offline, for an hour a day, or every other day. I can't think of any site I know of that is "dark" like this. Either their tech people are seriously not on point, or something fishy is going on, or so I would think. I mean, if a huge, HUGE website, like Facebook has a full makeover, huge upgrade, the downtime is pre-announced, well in advance, and there is likely little to no outage. I ran a website, and when I did upgrades, there was no downtime at all, the site was built, and then if redone, the index page was the last thing to be changed, which linked into the already built and pre-tested new version. Update that simple landing page, and boom, new site up. Meh, it would take much more than an hour if you wanted to fake bets and stuff. Maintenance is always crucial for a website and maybe it's not worth it to have another server online when doing maintenance on the main one (especially when we're talking about a thing like betting ...). Maintenance? As in what? What needs maintenance? And if it does, why is it not pre-announced here, or in the chat. "Maintenance will begin in 30 minutes and last approximately 1 hour". Very bizarre. I better not have to set a new seed. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:47:22 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:48:36 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. I dont think theres a need to panic. It goes down multiple times per week for hours. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:52:11 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. I dont think theres a need to panic. It goes down multiple times per week for hours. Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. |
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July 14, 2016, 03:56:49 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. I dont think theres a need to panic. It goes down multiple times per week for hours. Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. Micro, You used the term edit (mainetenance regularly). Is there any reason why you guys don't pre-announce it, as in "In 30 minutes site will go down" Or is it just PD policy to just disappear from the web and freak out your players/customers. Just wondering |
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July 14, 2016, 04:26:53 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. I dont think theres a need to panic. It goes down multiple times per week for hours. Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. Micro, You used the term edit (mainetenance regularly). Is there any reason why you guys don't pre-announce it, as in "In 30 minutes site will go down" Or is it just PD policy to just disappear from the web and freak out your players/customers. Just wondering I lost money again !!! If someone say anything before the maintenance users stop playing and they don't lost money !!! We lost and primedice win !!! |
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July 14, 2016, 04:32:56 PM |
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Primedice is down here, im trying to open it from last hour but getting this error. is its from my side or site is down ?  |
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July 14, 2016, 04:33:08 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. I dont think theres a need to panic. It goes down multiple times per week for hours. Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. Micro, You used the term edit (mainetenance regularly). Is there any reason why you guys don't pre-announce it, as in "In 30 minutes site will go down" Or is it just PD policy to just disappear from the web and freak out your players/customers. Just wondering I lost money again !!! If someone say anything before the maintenance users stop playing and they don't lost money !!! We lost and primedice win !!! Yea, I mean, if you were in a sequence or martingale, if you cant see your bets or know where you were at... depends on whats there when site comes back. Official PrimeDice Announcement regarding vanishing (for now 2 hours):Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. LOL |
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July 14, 2016, 04:39:54 PM |
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PD Down? This time down from a long time, this is very bad when mod or any official don't have time to make update about it, why it goes down and what is the reason for it, it seems this problem from server or serious from back-end, players are getting panic with this problem which have big amount into their account. I dont think theres a need to panic. It goes down multiple times per week for hours. Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. Micro, You used the term edit (mainetenance regularly). Is there any reason why you guys don't pre-announce it, as in "In 30 minutes site will go down" Or is it just PD policy to just disappear from the web and freak out your players/customers. Just wondering I lost money again !!! If someone say anything before the maintenance users stop playing and they don't lost money !!! We lost and primedice win !!! Yea, I mean, if you were in a sequence or martingale, if you cant see your bets or know where you were at... depends on whats there when site comes back. Official PrimeDice Announcement regarding vanishing (for now 2 hours):Yeah still doing some maintenance regularly. LOL Actually this downtime was not planned. Developer is now online and working on fixing it ASAP. |
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