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Author Topic: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀  (Read 56644 times)
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September 14, 2017, 12:51:20 PM

Looks like you guys are already far in development of your algorithm and you sure gave us a lot of material to read with three pdf`s.
Does your team consist of three people only? Looks like a lot of work for such a small team.

Thank you for your kind word. The founding team consists indeed of 3 senior people that have a longstanding experience in trading and algorithm development. Besides, we have been able to federate a team of 6 people, some junior and some with a lot of technical skills to help us design POCs on some of the functionalities of our future platform. You can find their background on our website www.napoleonx.ai . We want to make sure that we are covering all aspects in order to make this project a true success.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 14, 2017, 01:00:45 PM

Love the idea of being able to be a part of a trading bot without shelling out the high upfront costs or needing to spend hours figuring out how to tweak and set it up. 

The token holder payout of 85% of gas seems very fair as well - as someone else mentioned, a calculator would be a great tool to allow potential investors to play around with how the numbers may work out.

Currently going through the whitepaper in more detail to gain a stronger understanding but looking forward to following along.


Hello heyjoe,

I put the answer done to levyashin:


Some projects make a little calculator tool, will you do one?

It's like:
User will write amount of npx you hold or thinking to hold or just random number just see the result
He will choose a revenue on menu,
and calculator gives the montly profit will token holder will get.
It gets very helpful when investing. You know what to expect.


Hello levyashin,

We will think about that. However, we have to check if it is possible to do so from a legal point of view. But the math is quite easy to do. You can get an idea of the performances of our trading bots from the blackpaper : http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai
From the performance, you derived the gas which equals 25% of the performance and then NPX tokens holders gets 85% of that. You will quickly see that it is a business volume. The more is raised in DAFs, the more to the NPX token holders at the end!



The performance metrics is from backtesting the strategies on historical data?

The advantage of developing algorithm is that you can backtest them. So what we show in our Blackpaper is indeed a backtest. However, we should stress that one of the developed model has been used for several underlyings to demonstrate its robustness. We have also a very low trading frequency to avoid having large tracking error between our backtest and the live version. At last, Stephane Ifrah, one of the founder, has been using algos for more than 9 years for his own use. We have also put some of our trading strategy on an index publisher that we have developed using a test ethereum blockchain. We will release it very soon.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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this looks interesting. but will the investors receive a part of the profit? I haven't seen anything about that. TAAS for instance give a quarterly payment of 50% of the profit generated. Will you do something similar?

I just scanned the website and whitepaper, but can't seem to find the function of the NPX token itself. Will check in more detail later.

Anyone from the team that can elaborate?

Hello PS92,

The NPX token holders will have the possibility :
   to access the updated audits of the several trading bots,
   to regularly vote for the eligibility of the new trading bots,
   to regularly vote for the creation of new DAFs,
   to monitor the token events and performance of each DAF,
   to have access to relevant documentation on trading bots,
   and to access its own account and reporting on gas perceived.
Besides the right to the gas generated by each DAF, the NPX token holders shall be granted a preference right on the subscription of every DAFs ICO:
   exclusive access to a pre-sale (white-listing) to secure a minimal amount equivalent to 15 000 ETH in total,
   bonus of 15% on the pre-sale.

Hope it is clearer?


much better thank you. this project is certainly interesting and worth watching.

Plus: "When DAF will earn performance from the trading bots they use, they will pay 25% of such performance as gas, that will be given to the NPX token holders for 85%"

Really getting interested in this project. I like projects that share the wealth/pay dividends and not just increase in value if the coin demand increases.

We believe in giving to the NPX token holders the possibility to benefit directly from NapoleonX success and to design their own dividend streams / portfolio construction over time depending on their needs and sensibilities to our strategies.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Love the idea of being able to be a part of a trading bot without shelling out the high upfront costs or needing to spend hours figuring out how to tweak and set it up. 

The token holder payout of 85% of gas seems very fair as well - as someone else mentioned, a calculator would be a great tool to allow potential investors to play around with how the numbers may work out.

Currently going through the whitepaper in more detail to gain a stronger understanding but looking forward to following along.


Hello heyjoe,

I put the answer done to levyashin:


Some projects make a little calculator tool, will you do one?

It's like:
User will write amount of npx you hold or thinking to hold or just random number just see the result
He will choose a revenue on menu,
and calculator gives the montly profit will token holder will get.
It gets very helpful when investing. You know what to expect.


Hello levyashin,

We will think about that. However, we have to check if it is possible to do so from a legal point of view. But the math is quite easy to do. You can get an idea of the performances of our trading bots from the blackpaper : http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai
From the performance, you derived the gas which equals 25% of the performance and then NPX tokens holders gets 85% of that. You will quickly see that it is a business volume. The more is raised in DAFs, the more to the NPX token holders at the end!



The performance metrics is from backtesting the strategies on historical data?

The advantage of developing algorithm is that you can backtest them. So what we show in our Blackpaper is indeed a backtest. However, we should stress that one of the developed model has been used for several underlyings to demonstrate its robustness. We have also a very low trading frequency to avoid having large tracking error between our backtest and the live version. At last, Stephane Ifrah, one of the founder, has been using algos for more than 9 years for his own use. We have also put some of our trading strategy on an index publisher that we have developed using a test ethereum blockchain. We will release it very soon.

Thanks for the feedback. Indeed backtesting is beneficial but to render the metrics you have the algo must have been tweeked to that specific dataset imo. Looking forward to have a look on the index publ
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Algorithmic trading thrives in volatile markets and the crypto market sure is one hell of ride. But the crypto market is also very susceptible to news and rumors as we have seen this month. I wonder how NaPoleonX will deal with that.
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September 14, 2017, 01:27:08 PM

Algorithmic trading thrives in volatile markets and the crypto market sure is one hell of ride. But the crypto market is also very susceptible to news and rumors as we have seen this month. I wonder how NaPoleonX will deal with that.

It can easily arrange with stop-loss. They just put an stop-loss to every order, so when some stupid comment bring the whole market down, they just close the orders and take a better position.

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Algorithmic trading thrives in volatile markets and the crypto market sure is one hell of ride. But the crypto market is also very susceptible to news and rumors as we have seen this month. I wonder how NaPoleonX will deal with that.

It can easily arrange with stop-loss. They just put an stop-loss to every order, so when some stupid comment bring the whole market down, they just close the orders and take a better position.

It's not that simple. There is also such a thing as stop-loss hunting. Price dips for a few milliseconds and you just lost your position for no good reason.
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Algorithmic trading thrives in volatile markets and the crypto market sure is one hell of ride. But the crypto market is also very susceptible to news and rumors as we have seen this month. I wonder how NaPoleonX will deal with that.

We have taken the view that we will take our trading decision based on systematic model as opposed to follow the news. We know that news will have an impact but unless you have a hedge on them and you know exactly the trading psychology of the entire market at the time of the news, it is difficult to trade using just your guts and newsflow. Some people will make money on this and we made some in 2007-2009 period but it is very difficult and difficult to sustain over the years.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Algorithmic trading thrives in volatile markets and the crypto market sure is one hell of ride. But the crypto market is also very susceptible to news and rumors as we have seen this month. I wonder how NaPoleonX will deal with that.

It can easily arrange with stop-loss. They just put an stop-loss to every order, so when some stupid comment bring the whole market down, they just close the orders and take a better position.

It's not that simple. There is also such a thing as stop-loss hunting. Price dips for a few milliseconds and you just lost your position for no good reason.

Stop losses are very nice in theory, but in reality in illiquid markets, they might be dangerous. You think you will be executed at your stop limit price when in reality you will only start being executed at this level at all cost.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 14, 2017, 02:04:04 PM

I just read your video and your ICO's detailed plan, and I think you're a pragmatic team and good for you, be better

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September 14, 2017, 02:05:29 PM

I see so many people have difficulty understanding the project. It would be nice if someone from the team explains things.
Good idea, best option is to make some kind of FAQ and pinn it on ANN post and somewhere on their website. Only people with understanding of this project will invest in it
I am sure a live FAQ on youtube/ facebook would help people to understand this project.

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September 14, 2017, 02:06:55 PM

A trading bot to manage crypto assets? And what the holders of the tokens will receive, I still do not understand. How to apply tokens, I did not find in the documents, or did not see. From the video viewing is also not clear. Developers need to explain these issues in more detail.

Hello viljy,

Our trading bot are not design to give you a diversifying strategy, they are designed to generate performance. Either from the crypto, or from the real assets. In both case, such trading bots are embedded into a DAO and the performance is brought back to the crypo world.

NPX token holders will be awarded with 85% of the gas (Performance Fees generated by all the DAFs) and will be paid each month in DAF tokens.

Is it clearer?


Thank you, now I almost imagine that a trading bot will only improve performance, and decisions need to be made independently. And I first thought that the bot would trade completely independently.
Means profit will be paid in your DAF tokens, which, probably, can be sold. On how many exchanges do you plan to include a token in the listing, and on which exchanges? If of course now it is in the plans, well, or supposedly known.

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September 14, 2017, 02:10:11 PM

Sorry to sound thick but can someone explain in really easy term how this project works so all can see the benifits thanks in advance

NapoleonX aims to become the 1st 100% algorithmic crypto asset manager. There are several step to achieve this:
1. We need to get a proper asset management licence as all funds fall under security qualification and will be banned from traditional ICOs if done without licence. That is one of the usage of our ICO proceeds
2. When obtained, we will be able to launch individual funds (DAFs) that will charge performance fees, 85% being payable to NPX token holders on a monthly basis
3. To promote these funds, we need to build a platform that will host our strategies and some utility devices to NPX token holders to manage their porfolios

It is a very quick summary of our project. Feel free to ask for more elements


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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this looks interesting. but will the investors receive a part of the profit? I haven't seen anything about that. TAAS for instance give a quarterly payment of 50% of the profit generated. Will you do something similar?

I just scanned the website and whitepaper, but can't seem to find the function of the NPX token itself. Will check in more detail later.

Anyone from the team that can elaborate?

Hello PS92,

The NPX token holders will have the possibility :
   to access the updated audits of the several trading bots,
   to regularly vote for the eligibility of the new trading bots,
   to regularly vote for the creation of new DAFs,
   to monitor the token events and performance of each DAF,
   to have access to relevant documentation on trading bots,
   and to access its own account and reporting on gas perceived.
Besides the right to the gas generated by each DAF, the NPX token holders shall be granted a preference right on the subscription of every DAFs ICO:
   exclusive access to a pre-sale (white-listing) to secure a minimal amount equivalent to 15 000 ETH in total,
   bonus of 15% on the pre-sale.

Hope it is clearer?


much better thank you. this project is certainly interesting and worth watching.

Plus: "When DAF will earn performance from the trading bots they use, they will pay 25% of such performance as gas, that will be given to the NPX token holders for 85%"

Really getting interested in this project. I like projects that share the wealth/pay dividends and not just increase in value if the coin demand increases.

I wonder if they're affected by the SEC rulling, given that they pay dividends.

We are very conscious of this risk and have consulted several lawyers in France and Switzerland. NPX tokens will not be considered as securities given their functionning according to them. However, DAF tokens might be considered in a second stage as security but Napoleon Crypto will have a proper licence to distribute them by then.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 14, 2017, 02:17:04 PM

Quite a few comments from people who has a bit difficult to understand the Investor pitch. Perhaps dev can create a simple infographic (ellaborate on the one from the webpage) to understand the concepts of the use-cases from an Investor perspective.

You can access to our current marketing pitch on Slideshare that is very high level. This presentation will be given tomorrow by Jean Charles.

https://www.slideshare.net/Project_NapoleonX/napoleonx-zurich


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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So basically this is cryptocurrency trading bot? Interesting idea, but you will have many competitors around here. Where I can find more info about this project?

Yes the trading bot space is packed but we believe we have some differentiating factors:
1. We will not provide one but a series of diversified trading bots
2. A lot of our trading bots will generate returns in the fiat world without any capacity constraints
3. We will be a regulated entity so risk will diminish for our investors from a regulatory point of view


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 14, 2017, 02:27:19 PM

Interesting project ! Good to see french people here 🇫🇷

Bonne chance !

From France 🇫🇷  Curious about blockchain tech 🚀
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September 14, 2017, 02:28:10 PM

Hi, i didnt get the part where it states that the bots are running on gas and 85% of it, is paid to the token holders who selected the bots.

Could you clarify what the gas is in your psroject? some kind of performance value? Or just a cost you define?

Quite impressed by your team btw.

Thank you for your kind words

The gas that is mentioned here is a cost (25% of gross performance) that DAFs will have to pay to NPX token holders / Napoleon Crypto to rent algos that they are using. SO it is more a cost measure in that sense.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 14, 2017, 02:46:39 PM

Any practical examples of using this algorithm?
What is it for?

You can find our backtests proforma in the Blackpaper available at http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai

We will also soon released our blockchained index Publisher with our strategies in live trading. This will be the Proof of Performance !

You can have an insight of it there:
https://medium.com/proof-of-performance/proof-of-performance-blockchain-applied-to-trading-6e30404a9754

Stay tuned !


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I am trying to understand further , what is different than other projects like realto.ai? Competition is significant in this field.

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