[OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 #

[coblee]

That's why I proposed RSMMPS (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=27698.0).
If buffer goes into too much negative, it automatically becomes a proportional payout until the pool gets lucky again.

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[Bobnova]

Anything that presumes an infinite amount of anything should be immediately thrown out as a crap statistic IMO.  It's like the monkeys and the typewriters, except that here in the real world we have neither infinite monkeys nor infinite time.
Sure Eligius will crash given infinite time, but the odds are excellent that it'll be something over a million years in the future.

[Jack of Diamonds]

Anything that presumes an infinite amount of anything should be immediately thrown out as a crap statistic IMO.  It's like the monkeys and the typewriters, except that here in the real world we have neither infinite monkeys nor infinite time.
Sure Eligius will crash given infinite time, but the odds are excellent that it'll be something over a million years in the future.

The million monkeys writing Shakespeare's full productions theorem is infeasible, because there is a practically zero chance (3.4 ×10^183,946) of it happening from today until the heat death of the universe even if all the million monkeys could punch in 1,000 letters per second.
http://skylla.wz-berlin.de/pdf/2002/ii02-101.pdf

A SMPPS pool running 500 BTC negative is a very real chance (while -5000 or -50000 is a minuscule, very improbable event). That would be enough to drive away most dedicated miners.

[Clipse]

Im a bit curious bout the auto payment.

After autopayment gets initiated, whats the delay once cleared from the stats to actually sending the funds? Ive noticed about 12hrs delay now whereas all my other pool withdrawals reached me in <2hrs.

[gentakin]

Im a bit curious bout the auto payment.

After autopayment gets initiated, whats the delay once cleared from the stats to actually sending the funds? Ive noticed about 12hrs delay now whereas all my other pool withdrawals reached me in <2hrs.

You're using MyBitcoin? It doesn't work with eligius.

The payout should show up in your client pretty fast (if you actually get a payout and it's not queued for later execution - but it'd still be in your eligius account then), and then take 120 confirmations to mature.

[shamathana]

Time to increase the reward per share? I have a proposal:

I think this is dangerous. It means a 100% guaranteed "better than average" luck to anyone who mines on eligius. If everyone was 100% rational (and not pool hopping), they'd stop mining at their current pool and jump to eligius instantly as soon as payouts are increased. Until, at some point in the future, eligius has 100BTC funds and reduces payouts. Chances are the situation won't improve and payouts are lowered even more after the next block. Now everyone should go to a score-based pool or ArsBitcoin with SMPPS.

that is already disproven, because eligius pays already more than many pools for example deepbit. deepbit has 4661 Gh/s and eligius only 450Gh/s, but eligius pays 10/9 per share in comparision to deepbit. if it's all about the money they should have switched a very long time ago...

so what do i have to allow in ghostery requestpolicy noscript abp or cookies that it works?

I use noscript and abp, and all that was needed to let the charts work was to allow Javascript on eligius.st

yes, that's how it was for me before the update too. but not now anymore.
the graph on http://eligius.st/~artefact2/ http://s7.directupload.net/images/110718/temp/6ldzo5wl.jpg works as it should, but not the individual ones like http://eligius.st/~artefact2/5/16ccjkuuQjQ64H9qssmXnj695DdBDR75wJ http://s1.directupload.net/images/110718/temp/7t8y6zjl.jpg

[Clipse]

Im a bit curious bout the auto payment.

After autopayment gets initiated, whats the delay once cleared from the stats to actually sending the funds? Ive noticed about 12hrs delay now whereas all my other pool withdrawals reached me in <2hrs.

You're using MyBitcoin? It doesn't work with eligius.

The payout should show up in your client pretty fast (if you actually get a payout and it's not queued for later execution - but it'd still be in your eligius account then), and then take 120 confirmations to mature.

Huh, why doesnt it work with mybitcoin? Its still a wallet?

I dont see any reason why eligius cant work with mybitcoin, not to mention the fact that if thats the case(for god knows what reason) my coins just went into retardville which is quite unacceptable.

[Sukrim]

Huh, why doesnt it work with mybitcoin? Its still a wallet?

I dont see any reason why eligius cant work with mybitcoin, not to mention the fact that if thats the case(for god knows what reason) my coins just went into retardville which is quite unacceptable.

Bitcoind cannot track generated transactions on it's own (it does not display on which address these transactions were generated) - this means there is no (easy) way for mybitcoin to verify who owns which generated transaction.

[Luke-Jr]

Huh, why doesnt it work with mybitcoin? Its still a wallet?

I dont see any reason why eligius cant work with mybitcoin, not to mention the fact that if thats the case(for god knows what reason) my coins just went into retardville which is quite unacceptable.

It "doesn't work" because MyBitcoin basically steals it for themselves, probably due to a bug. I agree, it's unacceptable, but only MyBitcoin can fix their stuff. MtGox's wallet works fine.

[Xephan]

Huh, why doesnt it work with mybitcoin? Its still a wallet?

I dont see any reason why eligius cant work with mybitcoin, not to mention the fact that if thats the case(for god knows what reason) my coins just went into retardville which is quite unacceptable.

There's a big bold warning on the getting started page which links to this
http://eligius.st/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Payouts_don.27t_show_with_MyBitcoin

[Stupidpal]

Pool's been going down a lot today.

[Yeti]

that is already disproven, because eligius pays already more than many pools for example deepbit. deepbit has 4661 Gh/s and eligius only 450Gh/s, but eligius pays 10/9 per share in comparision to deepbit. if it's all about the money they should have switched a very long time ago...

The individual utility function of miners does include more than just price/reward per share. Eligius is small and only has one server, is still experimental, has a history of being offline for hours at a time... people might find it's "worth" earning 10% less if they on the other hand have a more stable connection. Then again, bigger pools are more likely to be hacked / attacked / DDoSed / botnetted... It's not all in the price.

[Luke-Jr]

Pool's been going down a lot today.

We seem to be under a light DoS, and Linux won't let more than 256 pending connections in at a time for some reason. In the meantime, I've whitelisted the top 25 miner IPs, and rate-limited port 8337 for everyone else. Port 8332 is passing 100% for now, since the botnet seems to be only using 8337.

Botnet operator: I don't care to fight you; just get your stuff fixed so it doesn't kill the pool. Let me know if you need help (with mining sanely, not operating a botnet-- I have no experience with the latter).

[Jack of Diamonds]

Is the whitelist based on last 24 hours or during your post?

Due to the downtime my tracked average dropped by multiple ghash.

[Xephan]

Pool's been going down a lot today.

We seem to be under a light DoS, and Linux won't let more than 256 pending connections in at a time for some reason. In the meantime, I've whitelisted the top 25 miner IPs, and rate-limited port 8337 for everyone else. Port 8332 is passing 100% for now, since the botnet seems to be only using 8337.

Botnet operator: I don't care to fight you; just get your stuff fixed so it doesn't kill the pool. Let me know if you need help (with mining sanely, not operating a botnet-- I have no experience with the latter).

Thanks for the update, I was wondering why suddenly my hash rate went flat for a few hours when I wasn't around.

[cpunks]

Thanks for the info. My Phoenix client was experiencing notable trouble getting work -- it tries reconnecting pretty soon after its "work queue" runs empty, and thus helped contribute to an excess of incoming connections. I directed it to get work from the alternate port, and it helped. In long term, I need to figure out which command line arguments (ASKRATE?) to pass, as to have Phoenix not reconnect so easily or wait longer for connection attempts to succeed, so that it would not start contributing to an attack via more persistent retrying.

[Luke-Jr]

I'd recommend poclbm instead of Phoenix. Phoenix has simply fallen too far behind to be a good choice anymore. poclbm has the latest optimized phatk kernel, plus support for X-Roll-Ntime so it will never be idle just because of network delays. I have a branch of poclbm on Gitorious that will also resend shares when there's a network issue (sometimes this causes invalid/duplicate for the retry, but you can ignore those).

[Luke-Jr]

Updates:

• I have added every IP to submit a valid share to Eligius, to the whitelist.
• The DDoS/botnet seems to have subsided.
• Therefore, things should be back to normal.

Maybe I should make the anti-DDoS stuff more permanent, and update the whitelist in realtime? Dunno yet...

[coblee]

I'd recommend poclbm instead of Phoenix. Phoenix has simply fallen too far behind to be a good choice anymore. poclbm has the latest optimized phatk kernel, plus support for X-Roll-Ntime so it will never be idle just because of network delays. I have a branch of poclbm on Gitorious that will also resend shares when there's a network issue (sometimes this causes invalid/duplicate for the retry, but you can ignore those).

Luke-jr, where's your branch on Gitorius? I'd like to try it out. Thanks.

[Luke-Jr]

I'd recommend poclbm instead of Phoenix. Phoenix has simply fallen too far behind to be a good choice anymore. poclbm has the latest optimized phatk kernel, plus support for X-Roll-Ntime so it will never be idle just because of network delays. I have a branch of poclbm on Gitorious that will also resend shares when there's a network issue (sometimes this causes invalid/duplicate for the retry, but you can ignore those).

Luke-jr, where's your branch on Gitorius? I'd like to try it out. Thanks.

http://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jrs-poclbm