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Author Topic: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest  (Read 454767 times)
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June 11, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
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Okay a lottery with a house edge greater than 1% and a progressive jackpot would be cool.  That would cause the jackpot to grow.

How about if we just let players make multiple bets at the same time?

For example, put 99% of their stake at 49.5%, and the other 1% at 0.0001%. The payout on the 49.5% part will be only slightly lower than normal, but there's a tiny chance of them 'hitting the jackpot'.

We don't need a separate jackpot pool, it's a regular bet, with a regular 1% house edge, and so the investors will bankroll it just like they bankroll every other bet.
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that is the most elegant solution so far in my opinion!
(assumed that you find a way to implement this without cluttering up the beautiful, simple just-dice user interface)

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June 11, 2015, 04:41:51 PM
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fucking site
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June 11, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
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fucking site
http://prntscr.com/7fsev4
donation xCSVHcZUMsRkjc8DPtkL2ATUg5vJghZMwb

Sigh. Why are you cussing the site out and complaining in the chat that it's rigged when all that happened is you lost two 81% bets in a row and it cost you less than 1 CLAM? People win and lose much bigger amounts all the time. Do you really think the site is set up to single you out, while letting others win much bigger amounts?

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June 11, 2015, 10:48:46 PM
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We don't need a separate jackpot pool, it's a regular bet, with a regular 1% house edge, and so the investors will bankroll it just like they bankroll every other bet.
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that is the most elegant solution so far in my opinion!
(assumed that you find a way to implement this without cluttering up the beautiful, simple just-dice user interface)

I've been thinking for a while about having a way for players to make arbitrary numbers of bets at a time on a single roll, for example:

  90% of stake at 49.5% (50.5000 - 99.9999)
  9% of stake at 10% (90.0000 - 99.9999) -- note the range overlaps the previous bet - rolling 95 makes both the these bets win
  0.9% of stake at 1% (30.0000 - 30.9999) -- note it's a mid-range bet
  0.1% of stake at 0.001% (0.0000 - 0.0009)

Currently a bet is defined by 3 things: (stake, chance, hi) - ie. the amount to bet, the chance of winning, and whether to bet hi or lo.

The idea is that a bet evolves to become (stake, [(share, chance, hi), ...]) - ie. the amount to bet, and a list of (share, chance, from) triples, where the shares sum to 100%, and each 'from' is the low end of the target range; ranges can 'wrap around', so (10, 20, 90) means to bet 10% of the stake at 20% chance, where rolling 90-99.9999 or 0-9.9999 wins.

That allows this 'jackpot' style bet, where 99% goes to the main bet and 1% goes to a very low change, high multiplier bet. It also allows more of the "slot machine" style bet, where you have a range of different possible payouts with increasing payouts having decreasing chances of happening.

The tricky part is in deciding how to present this to the player. It's far too much for most people to want to have to look at or think about. I'm guessing we start with a few preset bets of this type - maybe just the 'jackpot' one, and later add a 'bet editor' page to allow those who want to to define their own custom bets.

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June 12, 2015, 01:09:35 AM
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We don't need a separate jackpot pool, it's a regular bet, with a regular 1% house edge, and so the investors will bankroll it just like they bankroll every other bet.
..

that is the most elegant solution so far in my opinion!
(assumed that you find a way to implement this without cluttering up the beautiful, simple just-dice user interface)

I've been thinking for a while about having a way for players to make arbitrary numbers of bets at a time on a single roll, for example:

  90% of stake at 49.5% (50.5000 - 99.9999)
  9% of stake at 10% (90.0000 - 99.9999) -- note the range overlaps the previous bet - rolling 95 makes both the these bets win
  0.9% of stake at 1% (30.0000 - 30.9999) -- note it's a mid-range bet
  0.1% of stake at 0.001% (0.0000 - 0.0009)

Currently a bet is defined by 3 things: (stake, chance, hi) - ie. the amount to bet, the chance of winning, and whether to bet hi or lo.

The idea is that a bet evolves to become (stake, [(share, chance, hi), ...]) - ie. the amount to bet, and a list of (share, chance, from) triples, where the shares sum to 100%, and each 'from' is the low end of the target range; ranges can 'wrap around', so (10, 20, 90) means to bet 10% of the stake at 20% chance, where rolling 90-99.9999 or 0-9.9999 wins.

That allows this 'jackpot' style bet, where 99% goes to the main bet and 1% goes to a very low change, high multiplier bet. It also allows more of the "slot machine" style bet, where you have a range of different possible payouts with increasing payouts having decreasing chances of happening.

The tricky part is in deciding how to present this to the player. It's far too much for most people to want to have to look at or think about. I'm guessing we start with a few preset bets of this type - maybe just the 'jackpot' one, and later add a 'bet editor' page to allow those who want to to define their own custom bets.

A note since this is all for the same bet on the same outcome.  Not that this is a gigantic problem but the bet limit will be different then if you made these bets separately.
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June 12, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
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fucking deb
okey i stop play gambling in your site


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June 12, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
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you seeeeeeeeeeeee
my profite never up
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yesterday -3.2 clam
now -4.2 clam
YOU FUCK

i asking number  to win change?Huh??
not nominall.....who people won / lose?HuhHuhHuhHuh?fuck

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June 12, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
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I have been around the site for a long time and can assure you ppl have won and lost, you simply had bad luck.
You can never win against any house edge in the long term.
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June 12, 2015, 02:05:44 PM
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fucking deb
okey i stop play gambling in your site


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Blaming your gambling loss on deb.... nice going.

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June 12, 2015, 11:17:07 PM
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A note since this is all for the same bet on the same outcome.  Not that this is a gigantic problem but the bet limit will be different then if you made these bets separately.

Yes, we'd have to find what the biggest possible payout multiplier was, and set the max bet accordingly.

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June 13, 2015, 12:04:20 AM
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My idea for a jackpot....

Funding:
1% progressive build on losing rolls
Ability to /tip jackpot

Determine winner:
Every 1440 blocks + value1, convert first portion of the hash into a value and the last portion of the hash into a value.
(example: block 508942 is 86dcd6fb7832361669883e55eee1afeaa790bf6577db195214c737ca640af4d1) 86d would be 2517 (value1) and 4d1 would be 1233 (value2))

Next winning bet# is the current bet# plus value2 (example 371354014 + 1233 = 371355247)
Next interval to determine a block is 1440 + 2157 = 3597

Winner gets the full payout to his/her JD balance.



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June 13, 2015, 01:34:47 AM
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I sort of like the idea of a progressive jackpot.
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June 13, 2015, 01:46:28 AM
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I like this site deposited about 0.08 clam, soon came to 0.82 clam ... After I lost everything  Undecided

                                                                       
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June 13, 2015, 07:54:35 PM
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Wow you have a private agar.io server, how did you set that up?
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June 13, 2015, 10:07:06 PM
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Wow you have a private agar.io server, how did you set that up?

Agar its open source, doog shared the github link but i lost it, im sure as soon as he sees this he will share the link.

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June 13, 2015, 10:37:56 PM
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just search for dooglus on github, its in his public repositories.

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just search for dooglus on github, its in his public repositories.

thanks, found it.  It's called Ogar.  Open source implementation.  A new mode called Hunger Games.
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just search for dooglus on github, its in his public repositories.

thanks, found it.  It's called Ogar.  Open source implementation.  A new mode called Hunger Games.
Yes the hunger games version is amazing i love it, also i think its the easiest one to implement with a pot.

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June 14, 2015, 06:03:21 PM
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Congrats to tasha on her recent big win:





The site is stuck bouncing around 100k profit:


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June 14, 2015, 06:06:37 PM
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The site is stuck bouncing around 100k profit:
Doog.  Can you tell us exactly how many times the site has crossed from <100K profit to >=100K profit now? Smiley  e.g. How many 100K parties have we had? Cheesy
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