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Proposal:
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=83.0We were rejected again by Theymos, Bitcointalk Forum Admin, on June 20th
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4471292.msg40517470#msg40517470I've decided that masternode coins can sometimes be acceptable, but Biblepay seems highly deceptive.
For example, you say "10% of the emission goes to sponsoring Orphans, with provable contributions," but:
- 10% of the monthly emission should be somewhere around 6 million coins, but the monthly trade volume tends to be
only slightly higher than this, which is unbelievable if you're actually selling the coins in order to make donations.
- This 10% goes to a hardcoded non-multisig address with no explanation.
- "THE COIN HAS RPC COMMANDS THAT PROVE 100% OF CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SPENT THE WAY INTENDED" is completely false.
The RPC command just totals up all of the payments to the hardcoded address.
What happens after the coins go to that address is unexplained.
- There is no non-profit registration, receipts for donations, any info about the people who are supposedly facilitating donations, etc.
Biblepay looks like a generic coin with hardcoded dev subsidy plus some probably-totally-fabricated marketing about orphans.
I posted the bad news in the forum and we had more conversation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg40625636#msg40625636Here are my collection of notes below,
is there anything more we can add?
is there a better way to organize the information?
Did you talk with Theymos further Rob?
Should I try contacting Theymos again, with this summary below?
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BiblePay Team:
https://www.biblepay.org/cryptoguru/#_teamBiblePay Foundation - Non-Profit Texas Corporation (In Development):
https://wiki.biblepay.org/BiblePay_DAOBiblePay White Paper:
https://pool.biblepay.org/Docs/BiblePay_White_Paper.pdf===
What Evidence/Proof does BiblePay have of 10% Charity Donations?
Accountability: http://accountability.biblepay.org/====================================
CHARITY #1
Compassion International
https://www.compassion.com/"All of our Actual Orphan ID #s are listed in:
http://pool.biblepay.org/ >>> "Orphans" >>> "Sponsored Orphan List"
Also, the receipts I posted in EXPENSES are the actual payments I made on my credit card.
I have a copy here in case the IRS comes to my house." -Rob (Creator)
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COMPASSION INTL
ORGANIZATION NAME: BIBLEPAY
ACCOUNT #: 07816292
PHONE# : (800) 336-7676
HOURS: Monday through Friday, 7 a.m. to 5:30 p.m.
Mailing address: Compassion International Colorado Springs, CO 80997
ORG CONTACT: ROBERT A.
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thesnat21 called Compassion, confirmed 305 orphan sponsorships:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg40663169#msg40663169Brian879 called Compassion, confirmed 308 orphan sponsorships:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg40664957#msg40664957==
Contact:
Ginger Langehennig
Area Director of Donor Relations
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ginger-langehennig-4b31981b/832-797-3749 or
glangehennig@us.ci.org Proposals:
December -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=53.0February -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=105.0March -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=137.0April -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=162.0May -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=181.0June -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=195.0July -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=214.0August -
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=229.0Pictures:
https://pool.biblepay.org/ >>> Orphans >>> Sponsored Orphan List
Tmike talking to Ginger from Compassion:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg39981340#msg39981340Rob's Scan of Ginger's Pamphlet:
http://pool.biblepay.org/san/mission/CompassionMeetingGinger.pdfStatement from Santiago “Jimmy” Mellado, President & CEO, Compassion International
https://medium.com/biblepay-news/charity-profile-compassion-international-75741753e1c8Letter Writing
BiblePay rewards BBP to write letters to the sponspored orphans through the biblepay pool website
https://pool.biblepay.org/ >>> "Orphans" tab >>> "Write Letter"
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CHARITY #2
BLOOM (Be Love Orphan Outreach Missions)
http://www.bloomworldwide.org/Contact:
Executive Director, April Wareham
aprilw@nhoom.orgProposals:
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=73.0https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=150.0https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=186.0https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=219.0https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=227.0Pictures:
https://biblepaysponsorkids.tumblr.com/Facebook Mention:
https://www.facebook.com/Beloveorphanoutreach/posts/1603251943055348Newsletter Mention:
https://mailchi.mp/bceb933b9ea4/updates-straight-from-africaTestimonials from BLOOM and CameroonONE
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg39527580#msg39527580====================================
CHARITY #3
CameroonONE
https://www.cameroonone.org/Contact:
Director of Operations, Todd Finklestone
Proposals:
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=86.0Pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/CameroonONE/photos/2003983039625722https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86.0;attach=164;imagehttps://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86.0;attach=166;imagehttps://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86.0;attach=168;imageTwitter Mention:
https://twitter.com/CameroonONE/status/1010845995188588549====================================
CHARITY #4
Kairos Childrens Fund
https://www.facebook.com/kairoschildrensfund/https://kcf.winnegor.org/Contact:
Andrew Scribner
scribners@gmail.comProposals:
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=201.0https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=226.0Pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/kairoschildrensfund/photos/2084557715144222https://www.facebook.com/kairoschildrensfund/photos/2084557528477574Website Mention:
https://kcf.winnegor.org/biblepay/====================================
MISC:
Orphan Collage (NOTE: 12MB file):
http://pool.biblepay.org/docs/SponsorshipsAugust2018.pdfBiblePay Proposals:
https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/proposals/Console Command:
Understanding BiblePay Governance:
http://wiki.biblepay.org/UnderstandingGovernanceI've decided that masternode coins can sometimes be acceptable, but Biblepay seems highly deceptive.
For example, you say "10% of the emission goes to sponsoring Orphans, with provable contributions," but:
- 10% of the monthly emission should be somewhere around 6 million coins, but the monthly trade volume tends to be
only slightly higher than this, which is unbelievable if you're actually selling the coins in order to make donations.
- This 10% goes to a hardcoded non-multisig address with no explanation.
- "THE COIN HAS RPC COMMANDS THAT PROVE 100% OF CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SPENT THE WAY INTENDED" is completely false.
The RPC command just totals up all of the payments to the hardcoded address.
What happens after the coins go to that address is unexplained.
- There is no non-profit registration, receipts for donations, any info about the people who are supposedly facilitating donations, etc.
Biblepay looks like a generic coin with hardcoded dev subsidy plus some probably-totally-fabricated marketing about orphans.
Yes, I sent him a PM explaining the reality of how reputable we are and he didnt reply which gives me the impression he is too lazy to do any due diligence.
Anyway, each of his points are mildly to grossly inaccurate which should be frowned upon by a service person collecting revenue for services from branches of coins that affect our market share.
Theymos:
- 10% of the monthly emission should be somewhere around 6 million coins, but the monthly trade volume tends to be
only slightly higher than this, which is unbelievable if you're actually selling the coins in order to make donations.
Rob:
This is completely incorrect. Our average trade volume was $6300 per day until c-cex went on vacation, and all you have to do is look at the volume on the date we sold the coins (which is provided at accountability.biblepay.org) and you will always see the coins were sold, and more volume.
Theymos: - This 10% goes to a hardcoded non-multisig address with no explanation.
Rob: Incorrect. All of our expenses are sent to a non-hardcoded address in a superblock by the person listed that "handled" that monthly expense and all are documented with receipts at accountability.biblepay.org and reconcile to the totals in the exec contributions command.
Theymos: - "THE COIN HAS RPC COMMANDS THAT PROVE 100% OF CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SPENT THE WAY INTENDED" is completely false.
The RPC command just totals up all of the payments to the hardcoded address.
What happens after the coins go to that address is unexplained.
- This is 100% incorrect again. All of our payments always have and still are completely documented with backup paperwork. Our contributions were audited up to June from Ginger (compassion) to Mike-T - who confirmed the totals to a point in time (around $120,000 at the time). Therefore now you can provably confirm all the expenses were audited and roll up to the wallet checkpoint date.
Theymos: Biblepay looks like a generic coin with hardcoded dev subsidy plus some probably-totally-fabricated marketing about orphans.
Rob: No actually we don't look generic at all, with our PODC cancer mining algo, POBH cpu-mining heat-algo and decentralized governance and orphan sponsorships.
Why don't you invite him to post in our thread and challenge even one point and we will prove him wrong every time, and then lets ask him why we cant advertise a Christian charity that is helping 339 orphans every month?
