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September 24, 2018, 02:10:37 PM
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This is an old article but just came to light for me.  https://capital.com/scams-and-regulation-fear-sweep-cryptos I think regardless of the rest of the content it shows the public perception that we must overcome.

It's criticisms of us are:

No direct accountability for the orphan sponsorships - This situation is far better now, but it makes me think having a link to Compassion that showed our sponsorships would be the only real fool-proof way to allay those concerns.  Since we hope to continue to sponsor a large number at Compassion, I would think we could get them to do this for us.

Website typo - This is an older article, the website has been changed and I believe it is correct.  However, people will judge us by our website before they even try out our wallet so it's good to keep in my that the website is a vital face of the coin.

No staff biographical information - There is a staff page now under Press Kit.  The main issue I see is that on many coins, the staff page includes links to Linked In or other identification verifying pages.  This hurts the credibility of the coin in a realm where trust is key.  The crypto world is full of scams (both intentional and unintentional) and users feel more comfortable with "real" people.  Trust is even more key in a coin that is also in the religious realm, as the area of religion gets looked at with a skeptical eye by the non-religious.  Religious minded individuals are also skeptical as they are often targeted by scams and mechanisms to take advantage of their trust.

Anonymous Location - This goes hand in hand with the previous point.  But again, the issue is the more trust we engender, the better off our coin will be.

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September 24, 2018, 02:22:02 PM
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I was just taking a look at this site this morning, where we have been listed with Clusternodes:

https://www.mintnodes.com/faq

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I have to warn everyone, I don't think this is a very safe operation.  They are concentrating all the deposits into one place, hold all the keys to the crypto, and from what I can see, I don't have any reason to believe they are even creating real masternodes.

At the very least it looks like a way that someone can allow $1 mil to pile up and then they can run away with all of it.

Additionally Im not sure if its legal, because selling slices of nodes may be viewed as selling securities (and that could cause a shutdown for an sec violation).

Imo, we should pull support for this, unless the owner comes forward and proves the funds are stored in a cold wallet and posts the code that creates the masternodes.



indeed ... better choice is make MN between ppl like frenchise ... we had MN ... dave,rastiks,etc


I just sent an e-mail to mintnodes asking questions.


By default I would assume all money put into mintnodes is 100% at risk and may dissapear overnight. 


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We have a few ppl that were on BiblePay leaving for GridCoin and ByteBall. I wonder why... For CPU mining, BiblePay is still 10x more profitable than GridCoin.
https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=teamoldusers&team=Biblepay

Odd.. maybe because of the no team requirement change?

Rob: when is this going into effect?

Byteball is far easier to set up than GRC or BBP.   And team members on Byteball do receive a 10% bonus, no staking.  Not clear why users would be leaving for GRC as the economics are better still at BBP but if they came over and didn't realize that staking was necessary here, I could see them returning to something they felt more comfortable with.

I think the Team Requirement removal is part of the next mandatory, and now there is the issue of voting for if non-team members should receive a smaller reward than team members.  The forum vote closed and had low turnout, saying non-team members should get 100%, which I think is unwise but who knows.  The final piece of the puzzle is to determine what are other "competing cryptocurrency teams", I'd say Gridcoin, Byteball.org and Nuemennium Labs teams are the only competing crypto teams I saw.  Competing teams will be prohibited from earning BBP (blacklisted), so again, why someone would leave to another team doesn't fully make sense to me.

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September 24, 2018, 02:28:46 PM
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616westwarmoth when ill to jump to BB,i have to setup new mining?i hope that not.....only change team and thats all, right?

i dont trust https://www.mintnodes.com better/secure choice is build masternode with users from here  
why
1.masternode was very long preenabled with expired
2.when somebody left from MN,whats next?
3.site can be hack
4.owner can left

very untrustable


im finding somebody for build new MN:  write me PM with how much BBP you have: only future tenants please,thanks
for 2% i can to build it for you...im using my machines in my datacenter
online spreedsheet+NODE checker will be too for owners of MN

example of spreadscheet our 240 days old masternode= 9 ppl


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September 24, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
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Team, you have to either simplify mining or automate it.

The curren situation is ridiculous. You are mining via wallet,
but you also mine via external tool, which has two different options.

On top of that you can stake, and your mining profit depends
a lot on your number of coins (if i got that right).

Meaning: if you have a small amount of BBP, no matter how hard
you mine in Roseta, you still get small rewards.

Final result is totally unpredictable.

The easiest way to mine is at BBP-Pool, https://www.bbppool.com/.  Yes, we're pretty complicated and could use a bit more hand-holding for new users, but if you are generally familiar with crypto and follow the guides, it should work for you.  But in short, for full rewards, you need 20 BBP per RAC you have.  The situation is similar to wallets that allow heat mining and stake mining, except in our case, you're doing a bit of both.  The Discord Channel is full of helpful people that can answer most any questions (and most of the time we're right too!).

So if you're hashing well at Rosetta and lack the stake, go to the above pool, it operates like GRCPool.  Otherwise, reduce your hashing at Rosetta and do more PoBH (heat mining) with your computer while doing some Rosetta.


So I supposed I started mining with my wallet as I followed the instructions here https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/documentations/mining-how-to/mine-desktop/ . It tells about Rosetta, so I registered there. I don't quite get this. But is increasing the RAC also mining? Am I mining both in the wallet and Rosetta?

In other threads I read about mining BBP. It is connected with Rosetta. There's also WCG. Then byteball is connected. Things are very confusing I think I have to allocate more time understanding these things and research more.

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This is an old article but just came to light for me.  https://capital.com/scams-and-regulation-fear-sweep-cryptos I think regardless of the rest of the content it shows the public perception that we must overcome.

It's criticisms of us are:

No direct accountability for the orphan sponsorships - This situation is far better now, but it makes me think having a link to Compassion that showed our sponsorships would be the only real fool-proof way to allay those concerns.  Since we hope to continue to sponsor a large number at Compassion, I would think we could get them to do this for us.

Website typo - This is an older article, the website has been changed and I believe it is correct.  However, people will judge us by our website before they even try out our wallet so it's good to keep in my that the website is a vital face of the coin.

No staff biographical information - There is a staff page now under Press Kit.  The main issue I see is that on many coins, the staff page includes links to Linked In or other identification verifying pages.  This hurts the credibility of the coin in a realm where trust is key.  The crypto world is full of scams (both intentional and unintentional) and users feel more comfortable with "real" people.  Trust is even more key in a coin that is also in the religious realm, as the area of religion gets looked at with a skeptical eye by the non-religious.  Religious minded individuals are also skeptical as they are often targeted by scams and mechanisms to take advantage of their trust.

Anonymous Location - This goes hand in hand with the previous point.  But again, the issue is the more trust we engender, the better off our coin will be.
don't see any problem right now, I believe this is a good coin to have in existence.
any price predictions during the next 2 months on biblepay? any new exchanges coming?
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kissmarx are you read www.biblepay.org? i can you help if you wanna

goldart we filled more the forms, few good exchanges want to list us, but for BTC  hotbit,bitbay,cryptonex=3BTC for pair, like said Rob , now we need to focus to marketing,PR... no need exchanges now: but, bittrex,poloniex can be good Tongue

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616westwarmoth when ill to jump to BB,i have to setup new mining?i hope that not.....only change team and thats all, right?

i dont trust https://www.mintnodes.com better/secure choice is build masternode with users from here  
why
1.masternode was very long preenabled with expired
2.when somebody left from MN,whats next?
3.site can be hack
4.owner can left

very untrustable

im finding somebody for build new MN:  write me PM with how much BBP you have: only future tenants please,thanks
for 2% i can to build it for you...im using my machines in my datacenter
online spreedsheet+NODE checker will be too for owners of MN

I don't understand your first question about jumping to BB...  As I understand it, only the TEAMS will be blacklisted.  I believe you'll still be able to mine Byteball (and Neumennium, and DCC/SPARK) on the side as long as you aren't part of their team.  If that is the case (which I'm 99% sure it is), then you can stay on team BBP, and mine BBP, BB, NEU and DCC.  Or you can go to one of the other teams (HARDOCP for instance) and still mine BBP, just there may be a small to moderate penalty for not being on Team Biblepay (much like there is currently a small bonus for being on team Byteball.org).

As far as Mintnodes, I would saw it's a good option for someone with open eyes.  Its roughly like leaving your coins on an exchange, would not be recommended for large amounts but for someone with no other options, might be worth the risk.  In two years, if they're still around and no complaints, then they'll have earned the trust.

I can build my own MN, I will build them for others when I have time.  I've built three nodes for others, am set to build another one this week, and I run one shared node personally.  

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*** HUGE CHANGES IN BIBLEPAY TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP OUR CREDIBILITY AND CREATE STRENGTH ***



So this all started when one of our fast participants, Andy from LA offered to help with a few things.  Things that resonated with me because we both pray for BiblePay and receive confirmations about issues.  

I admit not all of my ideas are going to stick forever - as some are rooted in prior IT experience and not in God's will.  So when I hear that God wants to change something about BiblePay, I listen.

There were 3 areas that Andy brought to my attention that resonated:  Ease-of-use for investors and users, Key-man risk (dev+governmental), Sanctuary simplicity.  You are already seeing some of the changes (with these providers for masternodes like GIN we reached out to in response to the Sanc issue).  

For the Ease-of-use part, our complaint was that when an investor arrives on our landing page- they are way too confused.  And the page is dark and not full of love.  In light of that, Jaap is working on our landing page changes:  Show key information to potential investors (Quickly download the wallet, how to trade biblepay, what we do, boilerplate) and he is also adding a brighter background theme and images of children.   He is also making it easier for new users to understand how to get started in relation to the next wallet version (which will have a couple more GUI buttons to get started with one click).

Key Man Risk:  This started with a conversation from one of Andys clients, wanting to get into BiblePay as a whale, but he was afraid that I was the single point of failure.  After showing him the DAO page, many, many changes were put into play.  One being that we are working on an internal plan to remove key-man risk in Phase 1 (that is at the end of this month).  More info will be given on this today.  This will eliminate key-man risk.

Sanctuary Simplicity:  The whale would not join unless they find a way for a one-click masternode.  In this case, MIP is now creating a script for one-click sanctuaries.  We also reached out to GIN who came through for us for decentralized sancs.

This exercise brought up many sub-exercises and new projects for us, which I think in the long run make us stronger and more credible.

The key-man exercise brought up some of the weak points that exist in having a BiblePay foundation.

The problems with the BiblePay foundation are that we were becoming centralized, and "ruled" by only 6 individuals, with governmental systemic risk.  This gave the rest of the community the feeling that their masternode investment voting rights were not being used appropriately by biblepay, the biblepay directors were "better" than everyone else (IE could make legal decisions and trample on the rights of the community).  Arguably, one of the most important issues raised was the governmental risk involved with a centralized foundation.  This was the risk of being a lightning rod for a government to shut down biblepay or force biblepay to add wallet rules that remove anonymity.

In light of all these points, and with the desire to decentralize I feel we should dissolve the biblepay foundation.

The primary reason we started the foundation was to enable conversion of biblepay to Fiat for Compassion.com payments.  However, I feel we have other options for this now.  All of our other vendors, Kairos, Cameroon One, BLOOM accept BiblePay or Bitcoin.  I've reached out to compassion over the weekend to ask if they will set up a dedicated receiving address and accept our payments in Bitcoin.  If not, I will provide a homework assignment for the community to find a way to set up a program where we can convert biblepay to fiat for slices of payments to compassion.  Another option is to phase out compassion and ramp up sponsoring with orgs who do accept BTC (although Im not recommending this as compassion is $38 per month per child).


As far as Newbie Experience:  As you know we recently saw the no-team requirement poll pass, and the reward level to non-biblepay teams set to 100%.  In the next version of biblepay, we are trying to make it so a brand new user can mine with very little resistance.  This means downloading the wallet, buying the UTXO amount on the exchange, downloading boinc, and clicking "Add me to Rosetta", and then click "Associate".  The next version will also show how many tasks are running on the GUI - giving the user the understanding that the wallet is working (without going through RPC commands).






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So I supposed I started mining with my wallet as I followed the instructions here https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/documentations/mining-how-to/mine-desktop/ . It tells about Rosetta, so I registered there. I don't quite get this. But is increasing the RAC also mining? Am I mining both in the wallet and Rosetta?

In other threads I read about mining BBP. It is connected with Rosetta. There's also WCG. Then byteball is connected. Things are very confusing I think I have to allocate more time understanding these things and research more.

So if you followed those directions, you should be in good shape.  For now, you must do some work on Rosetta but you can also do work (through BOINC) at World Community Grid (although for now, note you have to generate some work at Rosetta at all times...the next mandatory release will allow for WCG work by itself).  You do the "hash" work at BOINC, doing scientific research, then you are rewarded in the wallet.  You can optionally, also do "hash" work (heat mining, PoBH) on the wallet as a small portion of the reward is generated through that method.

The discussion about Byteball (which is another project) is relevant because for MOST large scale miners, mining BBP is unprofitable unless you dual mine Byteball.  They are one of at least two other projects you can dual-mine while mining BBP.

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616westwarmoth when ill to jump to BB,i have to setup new mining?i hope that not.....only change team and thats all, right?

i dont trust https://www.mintnodes.com better/secure choice is build masternode with users from here  
why
1.masternode was very long preenabled with expired
2.when somebody left from MN,whats next?
3.site can be hack
4.owner can left

very untrustable

im finding somebody for build new MN:  write me PM with how much BBP you have: only future tenants please,thanks
for 2% i can to build it for you...im using my machines in my datacenter
online spreedsheet+NODE checker will be too for owners of MN

I don't understand your first question about jumping to BB...  As I understand it, only the TEAMS will be blacklisted.  I believe you'll still be able to mine Byteball (and Neumennium, and DCC/SPARK) on the side as long as you aren't part of their team.  If that is the case (which I'm 99% sure it is), then you can stay on team BBP, and mine BBP, BB, NEU and DCC.  Or you can go to one of the other teams (HARDOCP for instance) and still mine BBP, just there may be a small to moderate penalty for not being on Team Biblepay (much like there is currently a small bonus for being on team Byteball.org).

As far as Mintnodes, I would saw it's a good option for someone with open eyes.  Its roughly like leaving your coins on an exchange, would not be recommended for large amounts but for someone with no other options, might be worth the risk.  In two years, if they're still around and no complaints, then they'll have earned the trust.

I can build my own MN, I will build them for others when I have time.  I've built three nodes for others, am set to build another one this week, and I run one shared node personally.  


Please let me clarify the difference between leaving coins on an exchange and leaving on mintnodes:

An exchange moves stored balances to cold wallets, and has better experience in preventing web site hacks.  (At least, the top 50 exchanges supposedly do).
Mintnodes appears to be a new domain run by one individual, and does not appear to have cold wallets in place.  So from a hacking perspective I give them a risk level of 10, and bittrex a risk level of 4 for example.

No centralized service is perfectly safe.




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Hi can anyone help? Ever since the WCG problem a few days ago, all my WCG RAC disappeared and still reads 0.
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*** HUGE CHANGES IN BIBLEPAY TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP OUR CREDIBILITY AND CREATE STRENGTH ***


So this all started when one of our fast participants, Andy from LA offered to help with a few things.  Things that resonated with me because we both pray for BiblePay and receive confirmations about issues.  

I admit not all of my ideas are going to stick forever - as some are rooted in prior IT experience and not in God's will.  So when I hear that God wants to change something about BiblePay, I listen.

There were 3 areas that Andy brought to my attention that resonated:  Ease-of-use for investors and users, Key-man risk (dev+governmental), Sanctuary simplicity.  You are already seeing some of the changes (with these providers for masternodes like GIN we reached out to in response to the Sanc issue).  

For the Ease-of-use part, our complaint was that when an investor arrives on our landing page- they are way too confused.  And the page is dark and not full of love.  In light of that, Jaap is working on our landing page changes:  Show key information to potential investors (Quickly download the wallet, how to trade biblepay, what we do, boilerplate) and he is also adding a brighter background theme and images of children.   He is also making it easier for new users to understand how to get started in relation to the next wallet version (which will have a couple more GUI buttons to get started with one click).

Key Man Risk:  This started with a conversation from one of Andys clients, wanting to get into BiblePay as a whale, but he was afraid that I was the single point of failure.  After showing him the DAO page, many, many changes were put into play.  One being that we are working on an internal plan to remove key-man risk in Phase 1 (that is at the end of this month).  More info will be given on this today.  This will eliminate key-man risk.

Sanctuary Simplicity:  The whale would not join unless they find a way for a one-click masternode.  In this case, MIP is now creating a script for one-click sanctuaries.  We also reached out to GIN who came through for us for decentralized sancs.

This exercise brought up many sub-exercises and new projects for us, which I think in the long run make us stronger and more credible.

The key-man exercise brought up some of the weak points that exist in having a BiblePay foundation.

The problems with the BiblePay foundation are that we were becoming centralized, and "ruled" by only 6 individuals, with governmental systemic risk.  This gave the rest of the community the feeling that their masternode investment voting rights were not being used appropriately by biblepay, the biblepay directors were "better" than everyone else (IE could make legal decisions and trample on the rights of the community).  Arguably, one of the most important issues raised was the governmental risk involved with a centralized foundation.  This was the risk of being a lightning rod for a government to shut down biblepay or force biblepay to add wallet rules that remove anonymity.

In light of all these points, and with the desire to decentralize I feel we should dissolve the biblepay foundation.

The primary reason we started the foundation was to enable conversion of biblepay to Fiat for Compassion.com payments.  However, I feel we have other options for this now.  All of our other vendors, Kairos, Cameroon One, BLOOM accept BiblePay or Bitcoin.  I've reached out to compassion over the weekend to ask if they will set up a dedicated receiving address and accept our payments in Bitcoin.  If not, I will provide a homework assignment for the community to find a way to set up a program where we can convert biblepay to fiat for slices of payments to compassion.  Another option is to phase out compassion and ramp up sponsoring with orgs who do accept BTC (although Im not recommending this as compassion is $38 per month per child).


As far as Newbie Experience:  As you know we recently saw the no-team requirement poll pass, and the reward level to non-biblepay teams set to 100%.  In the next version of biblepay, we are trying to make it so a brand new user can mine with very little resistance.  This means downloading the wallet, buying the UTXO amount on the exchange, downloading boinc, and clicking "Add me to Rosetta", and then click "Associate".  The next version will also show how many tasks are running on the GUI - giving the user the understanding that the wallet is working (without going through RPC commands).


I am pleased to see the openness to change.

On the Sanctuary Simplicity, would it be practical to make a site like Gin where the community could host others Sanctuaries but at a more competitive rate and one that does not primarily benefit another coin?

Foundation / Sanctuary rule - This is fine to change from a Foundation from a centralization standpoint, although it still does not address the issue that a whale could in easily have a controlling share of the Sanctuaries and force their agenda on the community.  Then we would be 1) more centralized and 2) less accountable since the whale could be anonymous.

Key-man -This is a good step as right now we're one unfortunate event away from disaster (such as if the fire Rob recently suffered through had not been limited to just property damage).

The main elephant that still is in the room is overall trust.  The main members of the community are anonymous.  That is atypical in major cryptocurrency projects.  There is still concern about how our coins are sold for charity and how that is distributed (yes, there are steps being taken to show the process, but it really needs to be easier to follow and easier to verify, see my post below).  If we aim to be a top coin (500/250/100, whatever) trust is the issue that will hold us back in most

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September 24, 2018, 03:09:19 PM
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Please let me clarify the difference between leaving coins on an exchange and leaving on mintnodes:

An exchange moves stored balances to cold wallets, and has better experience in preventing web site hacks.  (At least, the top 50 exchanges supposedly do).
Mintnodes appears to be a new domain run by one individual, and does not appear to have cold wallets in place.  So from a hacking perspective I give them a risk level of 10, and bittrex a risk level of 4 for example.

No centralized service is perfectly safe.


I would agree, much higher risk at Mintnodes versus an exchange.  Only meant to say they are comparable in that you are giving up physical control of your coins, they are not REALLY your coins unless you hold the keys.

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I am pleased to see the openness to change.

On the Sanctuary Simplicity, would it be practical to make a site like Gin where the community could host others Sanctuaries but at a more competitive rate and one that does not primarily benefit another coin?

Foundation / Sanctuary rule - This is fine to change from a Foundation from a centralization standpoint, although it still does not address the issue that a whale could in easily have a controlling share of the Sanctuaries and force their agenda on the community.  Then we would be 1) more centralized and 2) less accountable since the whale could be anonymous.

Key-man -This is a good step as right now we're one unfortunate event away from disaster (such as if the fire Rob recently suffered through had not been limited to just property damage).

The main elephant that still is in the room is overall trust.  The main members of the community are anonymous.  That is atypical in major cryptocurrency projects.  There is still concern about how our coins are sold for charity and how that is distributed (yes, there are steps being taken to show the process, but it really needs to be easier to follow and easier to verify, see my post below).  If we aim to be a top coin (500/250/100, whatever) trust is the issue that will hold us back in most


I disagree on your comment about a "whale".  The free market has never been controlled by one individual, and I assert that after 5 years of existence, BiblePay will still be controlled by a disparate group of individuals with fair voting rights.  In addition, if a whale is rich enough to buy biblepay, then its their baby and they can run it into the ground or into the air if they wish.  If you think the Masternode model sucks, then you should be promoting other types of coins.  I primarily started this as a masternode coin because I agree with the governance model.  End of story - its a good model for a sanctuary economy with governance.

Yes, I agree a large part of the problem is trust - although I dont agree its trust with biblepay.  I agree there is a group here who thinks they shouldnt trust biblepay because they are mistaken.  And a lot of people here give way too much weight and credibility to them.   I think 50% of what we need to do is revamp our model to educate those who dont trust us.  The other half should be addressed at the problems with cryptocurrency trust in general.

Before we do that, we need to talk about a better plan for BTC->fiat liquidation for compassion - Ill get to that in a minute.

I wanted to make one comment about a personality flaw that I see repeated here - based out of our last version of compassion liquidations.  If someone like t-Mike checked on the compassion total Paid up to a point in time - it proves we were 100% with integrity up to that date.  I agree having a web site from compassion open to the public would be nice- we asked for it.  Ive been emailing Ginger asking IT to respond to my questions about the compassion API (no response yet).



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A good coin for raising money for charity, I am also a member of the religious community so I am quite interested in this coin. I will buy this currency as a contribution.

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So lets talk about brainstorming how to pay Compassion slices of USD from BBP/BTC legally without tax risk for the volunteer.

T-Mike brought up the idea of everyone in BBP sponsor their own children, and write to them personally, and turn the receipt in to the governance system for payment.  This is great in the sense that it gives personal communication to the child, and it adds a lot of overhead - in the form of a massive quantity of extra gov votes required monthly for the sanc voting (which is fine).  The biggest issue is trusting the receipt of each persons submitted payment.  We would need to trust the individual receipt posted on the forum thread (which might be fine).  So this is one option.  (Maybe people do spot checks at compassion to see if children are really sponsored by Customer #X with Name #ABC.)   I sent a request to compassion asking them to open an API to us so we can do check by customer account.  

Another idea is to find a way to have many volunteers send checks to compassion monthly and receive reimbursement in BBP after the account is credited that specific amount.  I suppose each $100 check would need a proposal submitted monthly.  We would vote on the checks as we review the compassion statement (for specific credits).  Maybe checks could end in random numbers to make it easy to connect the check with the receipt.

Any other ideas are welcome.  


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September 24, 2018, 04:42:36 PM
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Hello,

I have the following problem. I transferred 3300 bbp from one wallet to another but ./biblepay-cli getwalletinfo never shown my balance. It shows 80 bbp which was the balance before transfer. if you see here

https://explorer.biblepay-central.org/address/B6qdMpj9CsCd9n4PXMmEZJS3DratUsS8pH

you can see the correct balance 3371.47375961 bbp.

Any ideas?

./biblepay-cli getaddressesbyaccount "" shows this address (B6qdMpj9CsCd9n4PXMmEZJS3DratUsS8pH) between my addresses.

Thanks
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I disagree on your comment about a "whale".  The free market has never been controlled by one individual, and I assert that after 5 years of existence, BiblePay will still be controlled by a disparate group of individuals with fair voting rights.  In addition, if a whale is rich enough to buy biblepay, then its their baby and they can run it into the ground or into the air if they wish.  If you think the Masternode model sucks, then you should be promoting other types of coins.  I primarily started this as a masternode coin because I agree with the governance model.  End of story - its a good model for a sanctuary economy with governance.

Yes, I agree a large part of the problem is trust - although I dont agree its trust with biblepay.  I agree there is a group here who thinks they shouldnt trust biblepay because they are mistaken.  And a lot of people here give way too much weight and credibility to them.   I think 50% of what we need to do is revamp our model to educate those who dont trust us.  The other half should be addressed at the problems with cryptocurrency trust in general.

Before we do that, we need to talk about a better plan for BTC->fiat liquidation for compassion - Ill get to that in a minute.

I wanted to make one comment about a personality flaw that I see repeated here - based out of our last version of compassion liquidations.  If someone like t-Mike checked on the compassion total Paid up to a point in time - it proves we were 100% with integrity up to that date.  I agree having a web site from compassion open to the public would be nice- we asked for it.  Ive been emailing Ginger asking IT to respond to my questions about the compassion API (no response yet).


I don't think the Masternode model to use your words "sucks".  However, I do think there is a significant risk to this coin from whales.  In theory, a whale could buy enough masternodes to move the coin away from our mission of supporting orphans.  They could in theory, buy enough votes to pass a proposal that said "the 10% of the charity coins come to me, Mr. Whale".  At that point the only recourse would be for you, the developer to step in and exert centralized control and prevent it.  I would posit that we are not solely a Masternode coin, and therefore safeguards are necessary.  So having the charity funds go to a Foundation controlled address would be an acceptable level of centralization to maintain our mission.  Having a Foundation, which for the record I support and am not a proposed part of so I have no skin in the game, eliminates having to piece together a less elegant solution.  Additionally, having a Foundation gives an obvious place for IP of Biblepay to reside, so if we came up with a game changing idea, we could chose to keep it non-open source and give our coin a dramatic competitive advantage.  A Foundation puts a face to our name, gives users someone they can trust rather than just a group of pseudonym's.  Finally, I would position that we are based on DASH, and they have a Foundation and Masternodes.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Hello,

I have the following problem. I transferred 3300 bbp from one wallet to another but ./biblepay-cli getwalletinfo never shown my balance. It shows 80 bbp which was the balance before transfer. if you see here

https://explorer.biblepay-central.org/address/B6qdMpj9CsCd9n4PXMmEZJS3DratUsS8pH

you can see the correct balance 3371.47375961 bbp.

Any ideas?

./biblepay-cli getaddressesbyaccount "" shows this address (B6qdMpj9CsCd9n4PXMmEZJS3DratUsS8pH) between my addresses.

Thanks

In your wallet, try going to Wallet Repair, start with rescan, and if need be work your way down to rebuild.

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