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[slovakia]

im intstalled 1156 on VPS ubuntu 16.04 and i dont have utxooveride


coinsinspect you using win wallet,right?

[totikk]

1156x64, Win10x64.
After some time wallet crashes with no errors.
Does there some logs? Maybe its help ?

[coinsinspect]

im intstalled 1156 on VPS ubuntu 16.04 and i dont have utxooveride


coinsinspect you using win wallet,right?

I am on Linux, maybe I didn't wait enough time.
I don't want to miss next payment, I will try again after next payment.

[slovakia]

im intstalled 1156 on VPS ubuntu 16.04 and i dont have utxooveride


coinsinspect you using win wallet,right?

I am on Linux, maybe I didn't wait enough time.
I don't want to miss next payment, I will try again after next payment.

im using my linuxVPS for pow on pool and others linux machines for RAH+WCG .. on VPS i have deleted utxooveride and on cold WinWallet i have this

addnode=node.biblepay.org
addnode=biblepay.inspect.network
gen=1
genproclimit=0
minersleep=0
utxooverride=-1

all working w/problems

[slovakia]

and please update this old news 


https://www.biblepay.org/cryptoguru/#roadmap

[totikk]

What does it mean: (in getmininginfo)

  "podc_tried": 5,
  "podc_sent": 1,

Why are they not equal ?

[BlackWidow]

sorry for being late to the party, but as a good, hard-working Christian, I cannot overlook this project – there's nothing better than having the word of GOD on your side

[bible_pay]

totikk is your worker added on pool?  

Yes, certainly.
It was on the My Leaderboard a few hours ago. Now at My Missing Miners

Screanshot:

Hi Totikk,
Sorry to hear you are having so many startup issues with our infrastructure.  I see you have moved from 0 to 20 UTXO weight.
Part of the problem is as of yesterday, we didn't know you had all that WCG RAC.  Now the 'exec totalrac' is showing correctly meaning you need even more coins for full UTXOWeight.

However you should at least get the partial payment in the next superblock (@ 20%).

[bible_pay]

For now, please add 'utxooverride=1500000' and resend a podc update.

Now getboincinfo shows WCG correctly.

I am running wallet version 1145

Should I upgrade and remove utxooverride=1500000 ?

Yes, please upgrade, then comment or remove the utxooveride (I comment by putting an x in front of the key), then run, then:

Then please try 'exec podcupdate true' and lets see if it sends the right amount.

I installed latest wallet 1156 and removed utxooverride=1500000

utxoreport b340524a41bd87f75c2927ad0a24f0bc
{
  "73651 [09-28-2018 08:55:41] (342189 BBP) [TXID=d6db2254a29e5684d54dae74f6528bcd7ea433962cecea3d42263858daabbbcc] ": "0.01",
  "73651 [09-28-2018 08:55:41] (1499999 BBP) [TXID=22e39fa31baf1cd5d1f954fe6f9a2e17d72d7626be56685dfe1061fb042aee7a] ": "0.00",
  "73626 [09-28-2018 05:34:47] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=b365ecebb70b36c86f3f5c348e9c9b1456091dfff6e6779c945d370be4f954e5] ": "0.14",
  "73592 [09-28-2018 01:23:18] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=f20be7f43008229bc5fd4b773c6d851ec800c2418aa86ef8518ff77c228a25c0] ": "0.17",
  "73551 [09-27-2018 21:00:02] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=198febcb0a45e32ee4bde244bc349be7b1011d5124fbbd21ea35f5b36483cf83] ": "0.18",
  "73519 [09-27-2018 16:45:09] (1560716 BBP) [TXID=57e71c2a05a3c6bc7be44953eafc7b27c77fc6cdc47fd004997d3366cad832ae] ": "0.18",
  "73489 [09-27-2018 13:28:33] (4702 BBP) [TXID=7d3543540d2b3d3ca7678d43d7426f8ee7357263523f4974eb093f8be4d09cc8] ": "0.14",
  "73449 [09-27-2018 08:51:36] (4580 BBP) [TXID=a0b4eb2bdce6cae091693202eee90297056ae578a5766074e39def4869a7eb9a] ": "0.19",
  "73411 [09-27-2018 04:07:32] (4580 BBP) [TXID=0ee14beb1e04a589291ea8240d2946dd8bb577909e437a0754066a17d68e6f55] ": "0.20",

This doesn't look good, I will switch back to: utxooverride=1800000

I'd like to help solve this permanently, as I feel we need to get down to 0 problems, and simplify this for the influx of new users.

So on the latest version if you run the 'exec totalrac', does that total rac reflect the correct sum of both your wcg + rah or is it off?  If you run 'exec getboincinfo', does that command output the correct WCG and RAH rac individually?  Another words is it apparent where our calculation is showing a low UTXO?

[bible_pay]

Couple of questions:

A.  How do I stake my entire balance?  Or does the wallet handle this automatically?

B.  So I cannot research for WCG exclusively?  I need to have some rosetta@home work in there also?  What is the reason for this?


I saw a post on reddit about some changes (they seem positive) coming.  If I could offer one piece of advice it would be to completely update the documentation and centralize it before making any more changes.  This entire project has turned into spaghetti code.  Features added, features removed, some info on bitcointalk, some on the bbp forum, some on the website, some on the wiki.  The wiki is also worthless as there are no links to any pages.  Its impossible for anyone to keep up with this coin without a significant time suck.  And to find out where things stand it feels like I have to read 30 pages of old forum posts.  Like it was sheer luck that I saw the thing about needing to research for R@H too.  I have been doing strictly WCG.

Also I would recommend looking at Curecoin and how they handle Folding@home payments.  Their process is dead simple.

Well respectfully, it hasn't turned into spaghetti code, it turned into spaghetti documentation.  I think if you follow the testnet thread you will see that we are implementing 3 buttons to get started with 3 clicks for PODC mining.  The users voted that they want to KEEP the UTXO requirement, meaning that new users will need to still by bbp on the exchange to PODC mine - and that keeps a certain level of complexity in bbp in the next version.

Jaap is already focused on tweaking the documentation for new users and focused on a PR campaign.

The wallet stakes the entire UTXO amount (type exec totalrac to see the amount) automatically.

You cannot research just WCG today, but you CAN in the next mandatory.

Regarding Curecoin, and its centralized payment structure handled by the single point of failure, yes, it would be easy for us to emit a simple daily payment as well (like we do in our daily pool payment to all recipients at 10 am).  But we are not curecoin, and we have more features.

My apologies, my spaghetti code comment was referring to the documentation, I wasn't actually criticizing your github code  . 

After going through the documentation  yet again to make sure everything is configured correctly, I think I realized what the main problem is with setting this up.  The only documentation out there either explains in paragraphs the ideas of podc or is simplistic handholding.  Making it difficult for someone who needs the brass tacks to get the correct information. 

For example on one page it would be nice to see :

 - the definitions (in a list) of CPIDS, Magnitude, Task Weight, UTXO Weight, Sanctuaries, Proposals, Accountability, PODC, POBH. This stuff doesn't need to be super in depth, just needs to say what each term is, and what it does. Too many BBP-specific acronyms and terms are thrown around

- Better differentiation of the PODC and POBC.  Maybe instead of heat mining call it traditional mining.  Also what isn't clear (to me), does podc secure the network at all? I am guessing no. It would be good to explain (briefly) why there are 2 methods of getting BBP.  And unless I am missing something, podc is not actually mining, which brings me to my next point

-  Staking.  Is it staking or mining?  I see it referred to as staking but then I also read that it is really mining pobh, just on a lower limit.  Which is it?

- Requirements of PODC.  This is all over the place.  What are the actual requirements to earn it, in list form.  I get that its at least:  boinc research, member of team, wallet open and staking.  Is there more?  does heat mining also have to be enabled? How often do I need to submit a R@H project?  Does one always have to be running?

- Explanation of what a superblock is, how often they occur, and how the payouts are calculated.  Again simplicity is key.

- I realize this is a 3rd party site, but really if someone could understand this page, I think most of their questions would be answered:  https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1989000/   This is mine for example. I have 113,188 BBP.  This is like reading Greek.  I see rewards in the list, yet at the top it says Reward: 0, Next Payment no data, block budget 0.  Again, what is magnitude, and why is the biblepay rac difference from normal rac?  Why does my UTXO amount change?  What is the weight and why does it change?  On the podc updates tab the pdoc amount fluctuates even more.


Also in the wallet console, if you type help, none of those boinc commands are present.

Thanks!  This is definitely where we are lacking.  I'll help out on this today.

[bible_pay]

Couple of questions:

A.  How do I stake my entire balance?  Or does the wallet handle this automatically?

B.  So I cannot research for WCG exclusively?  I need to have some rosetta@home work in there also?  What is the reason for this?



Also I would recommend looking at Curecoin and how they handle Folding@home payments.  Their process is dead simple.

My apologies, my spaghetti code comment was referring to the documentation, I wasn't actually criticizing your github code  . 

After going through the documentation  yet again to make sure everything is configured correctly, I think I realized what the main problem is with setting this up.  The only documentation out there either explains in paragraphs the ideas of podc or is simplistic handholding.  Making it difficult for someone who needs the brass tacks to get the correct information. 

For example on one page it would be nice to see :

 - the definitions (in a list) of CPIDS, Magnitude, Task Weight, UTXO Weight, Sanctuaries, Proposals, Accountability, PODC, POBH. This stuff doesn't need to be super in depth, just needs to say what each term is, and what it does. Too many BBP-specific acronyms and terms are thrown around

- Better differentiation of the PODC and POBC.  Maybe instead of heat mining call it traditional mining.  Also what isn't clear (to me), does podc secure the network at all? I am guessing no. It would be good to explain (briefly) why there are 2 methods of getting BBP.  And unless I am missing something, podc is not actually mining, which brings me to my next point

-  Staking.  Is it staking or mining?  I see it referred to as staking but then I also read that it is really mining pobh, just on a lower limit.  Which is it?

- Requirements of PODC.  This is all over the place.  What are the actual requirements to earn it, in list form.  I get that its at least:  boinc research, member of team, wallet open and staking.  Is there more?  does heat mining also have to be enabled? How often do I need to submit a R@H project?  Does one always have to be running?

- Explanation of what a superblock is, how often they occur, and how the payouts are calculated.  Again simplicity is key.

- I realize this is a 3rd party site, but really if someone could understand this page, I think most of their questions would be answered:  https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1989000/   This is mine for example. I have 113,188 BBP.  This is like reading Greek.  I see rewards in the list, yet at the top it says Reward: 0, Next Payment no data, block budget 0.  Again, what is magnitude, and why is the biblepay rac difference from normal rac?  Why does my UTXO amount change?  What is the weight and why does it change?  On the podc updates tab the pdoc amount fluctuates even more.


Also in the wallet console, if you type help, none of those boinc commands are present.

Thanks!  This is definitely where we are lacking.  I'll help out on this today.

I started making this Wiki page to help explain the above answers:

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_With_PODC

I hope this helps; please anyone let me know if more needs added or edited.

This brought up two important points:

1) We should ask Lich to add hover-over or help to the biblepay-central site to whatever fields NSummy mentioned above that are hard to understand for the user.

2) I just realized in the newest wallet, we sort of leave the user hanging in regards to knowing if they have the correct UTXO weight.  In the next version we help them understand if they need to install boinc, we auto create a RAH account, we attach RAH, we start the boinc tasks, we show the task count, we make it easy to associate a CPID, but then I believe we leave them hanging at the point where they dont know how much UTXO is on the network or if they will receive a superblock reward.  In light of that I think that is one more thing we need to squeeze in the next mandatory is some type of UTXO indicator on the DC page, and a Red narrative explaining their next payment is at risk due to having low UTXO weight etc...

[slovakia]

who from BTT using wikishit? this informations must be on WEB of BBP .....

its so hard to pay from superblock monthly budget for professional graphic youtuber?He can make video tutorial...... all best coins got it...very pity

[bible_pay]

https://www.mintnodes.com/coins/BBP

If you a spare 100k BBP, put in the pool. Only 900k more needed to start 1 masternode.

Thanks.

The guy seems pretty reasonable in his e-mail exchanges to me; I'll throw a couple mil in the service and join the group.

But remember all, Invest at your own risk, and do not put in anything you cant spare to lose.

[bible_pay]

who from BTT using wikishit? this informations must be on WEB of BBP .....

its so hard to pay from superblock monthly budget for professional graphic youtuber?He can make video tutorial...... all best coins got it...very pity

I believe Wiki is the more appropriate choice in this case, as it allows one to refer to each relevant definition.

In contrast to appealing to people with ADD (attention deficit disorder).

The youtube video would be fine however to accentuate a streamlined and existing process.

[zthomasz]

It's a real pity that some people regard in-wallet prayers as a joke.  Those people are not God fearing - and will be held accountable by Jesus on judgement day for how many prayers were impeded.

This is of course going to cause BiblePay to disable the in-wallet prayer feature for the general public.  We will need to re-invent it to vet prayers before they become public.

If I may, some ideas:

1) Have a vote up/down on prayers. That affects how much rotation a prayer receives. If it goes above a certain number (like 3 net down votes), hide the prayer.

2) The other idea was the ability to reply to prayers. This means the requestor has to sign their prayer. Less anonymity, but at least you sort of know who is posting the joke prayers.

The other reason is it'd be nice to reply to prayers and prayer for other people. They can receive prayers in their qt wallet. I'm not sure if these prayer replies go on the blockchain (maybe just broadcasts?) but there'd be a use case where Christians not savvy about tech who could meaningfully participate. If you wanted, you could do Proof of Prayer (PoP) as another way to earn BBP.

3) You could also tie it in with orphan letter writing this way as well? Show image of child, profile, and ability to reply to orphan with a letter.

4) A general p2p messaging system within BBP would increase use of BiblePay wallet.

These are great suggestions.

Also consider an enable/disable button if the user doesn't want the prayers on the front/overview page of their wallet

[jaapgvk]

Couple of questions:

A.  How do I stake my entire balance?  Or does the wallet handle this automatically?

B.  So I cannot research for WCG exclusively?  I need to have some rosetta@home work in there also?  What is the reason for this?



Also I would recommend looking at Curecoin and how they handle Folding@home payments.  Their process is dead simple.

My apologies, my spaghetti code comment was referring to the documentation, I wasn't actually criticizing your github code  . 

After going through the documentation  yet again to make sure everything is configured correctly, I think I realized what the main problem is with setting this up.  The only documentation out there either explains in paragraphs the ideas of podc or is simplistic handholding.  Making it difficult for someone who needs the brass tacks to get the correct information. 

For example on one page it would be nice to see :

 - the definitions (in a list) of CPIDS, Magnitude, Task Weight, UTXO Weight, Sanctuaries, Proposals, Accountability, PODC, POBH. This stuff doesn't need to be super in depth, just needs to say what each term is, and what it does. Too many BBP-specific acronyms and terms are thrown around

- Better differentiation of the PODC and POBC.  Maybe instead of heat mining call it traditional mining.  Also what isn't clear (to me), does podc secure the network at all? I am guessing no. It would be good to explain (briefly) why there are 2 methods of getting BBP.  And unless I am missing something, podc is not actually mining, which brings me to my next point

-  Staking.  Is it staking or mining?  I see it referred to as staking but then I also read that it is really mining pobh, just on a lower limit.  Which is it?

- Requirements of PODC.  This is all over the place.  What are the actual requirements to earn it, in list form.  I get that its at least:  boinc research, member of team, wallet open and staking.  Is there more?  does heat mining also have to be enabled? How often do I need to submit a R@H project?  Does one always have to be running?

- Explanation of what a superblock is, how often they occur, and how the payouts are calculated.  Again simplicity is key.

- I realize this is a 3rd party site, but really if someone could understand this page, I think most of their questions would be answered:  https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1989000/   This is mine for example. I have 113,188 BBP.  This is like reading Greek.  I see rewards in the list, yet at the top it says Reward: 0, Next Payment no data, block budget 0.  Again, what is magnitude, and why is the biblepay rac difference from normal rac?  Why does my UTXO amount change?  What is the weight and why does it change?  On the podc updates tab the pdoc amount fluctuates even more.


Also in the wallet console, if you type help, none of those boinc commands are present.

Thanks!  This is definitely where we are lacking.  I'll help out on this today.

I started making this Wiki page to help explain the above answers:

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_With_PODC

I hope this helps; please anyone let me know if more needs added or edited.

This brought up two important points:

1) We should ask Lich to add hover-over or help to the biblepay-central site to whatever fields NSummy mentioned above that are hard to understand for the user.

2) I just realized in the newest wallet, we sort of leave the user hanging in regards to knowing if they have the correct UTXO weight.  In the next version we help them understand if they need to install boinc, we auto create a RAH account, we attach RAH, we start the boinc tasks, we show the task count, we make it easy to associate a CPID, but then I believe we leave them hanging at the point where they dont know how much UTXO is on the network or if they will receive a superblock reward.  In light of that I think that is one more thing we need to squeeze in the next mandatory is some type of UTXO indicator on the DC page, and a Red narrative explaining their next payment is at risk due to having low UTXO weight etc...

Thanks nsummy! I will use your suggestions and the Wiki to make the website and guides more clear. I will be starting this process at the end of next week.

@slovakia: I would endorse a video-guide. If someones takes the initiative, I'll vote in favor of that proposal.

[coinsinspect]

I'd like to help solve this permanently, as I feel we need to get down to 0 problems, and simplify this for the influx of new users.

So on the latest version if you run the 'exec totalrac', does that total rac reflect the correct sum of both your wcg + rah or is it off?  If you run 'exec getboincinfo', does that command output the correct WCG and RAH rac individually?  Another words is it apparent where our calculation is showing a low UTXO?

now "exec totalrac" display correct data in 1156

[sunk818]

who from BTT using wikishit? this informations must be on WEB of BBP .....

wiki.js is not open source and can use markdown and be stored on github. So, you can see revision history. MediaWiki is very 90s. There's a lot more recent products that work better. I personally like Confluence from Atlassian, but you gotta pay for that.

My understanding is that ipfs is the groundwork for the dahf (hedge fund) which I thought was a variation of a retirement 401k type fund. I'm not sure. Or it could be one of Rob does whatever he wants projects. He's the lead dev so he wants/has that perogative.

You feel the road map features should be first priority?

As for news and updates, Rob has taken away edit rights on the wiki (at least myself and several others) so we can't update the information. Frankly, mediawiki kinda sucks to work with so I'm glad I don't have access.

There's biblepay.org (official) and third party efforts like purepool, biblepay-central , etc
You want more content on BiblePay.org? What about this forum, Reddit, Twitter, discord?

Please do not just make things up SunK, thats why our communication is bad-  and posts end up getting deleted - and frankly, in a non Christian disagreement.
Let's take a step back and forgive each other first.  Next, let me explain what irks me:  a person who "guesses" and states it as fact, on a public forum (this continually happens with your account and I rashly react by deleting the post).

So jumping ahead to the wiki, I did not remove edit rights because I'm a dictator, I removed them because Slovakia defaced the front page.  Hopefully you can understand that after someone defaces the actual investor info page, we need to control access.  I have given edit to anyone who wants to make an intelligent edit Like Jaap and Togo.   "Mediawiki sucks to work with"?  Lets instead glorify the benefits that opensource software gives us.  Lets use what we have until we are a $10 mil organization then we can vote on something that everyone likes, or maybe everyone does like wiki in general.

I know I havent shared a lot of info regarding the DAHF vision.  Frankly its because I put a lot of hours into the proof of concept, got it working, and the long e-mails from the focus group and SEC attorney are frankly so long and technical, it would make most people turn away from this project.  I think at this point it is not going in the roadmap- lets keep it simple and build a stronger foundation without DAHF.  Let's be positive - and frame questions that you BELIEVE are negatives as : Hey Rob, I THINK we have a problem with this, can we do this better.    Then I reply and tell you if I agree or not- I would not say this if 80% of the time the other person doesn't understand that part of a feature exists because their solution isnt solving what they think.

I'm not sure what you mean by "forgive each other". I don't recall receiving a personal apology from you. Maybe you "forgive each other" without apologizing to the other person?

If I say something is my understanding and it is incorrect, you're welcome to correct with kindness. I was trying to defend why you keep going off the roadmap with random features.

Re: Wiki. You gave me edit rights, then took it away as soon after found disagreement with what I said, I wonder why?

[sunk818]

So the current roadmap is actually accurate.  We are waiting for beta test results in different areas.

I don't think white paper should have development roadmap progress: https://www.biblepay.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/biblepay-whitepaper-single-cover-April2018.pdf

Roadmap is a moving target and perhaps a link to the web site is better: https://www.biblepay.org/cryptoguru/#roadmap

I believe Wiki is the more appropriate choice in this case, as it allows one to refer to each relevant definition.

Thanks for making the PoDC page. They are great definitions.

How are people going to find it?

Any chance you could link to all the documents on the Wiki from the main page?

Perhaps a Table of Contents?

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Main_Page

[secoccular]

I noticed on https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_With_PODC, fourth paragraph promises I will "receive cancer" mining superblock rewards? Is that a reference to the Rosetta work, or should I see my doctor after mining?