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[slovakia]

is this OK? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.0

[slovakia]

SKUNK have you any problem?

[bible_pay]

is this OK? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.0

No - its not OK.  This is still our official forum.  We could ask that the thread is taken down unless its marked non-official, or supporter.
For now, I just posted there that its not official.

This is why we eventually need a continuity plan, DAO based (not 501c3 based) that organizes our 'organization level' assets, to prevent one user from going rogue and making biblepay into something it wasnt intended (like Non-Christian for example).

For now, I mentioned a while back I would share control (with our website keys for example) with a few trusted people to create seeds for this next org - I originally said when we reach approx $20 million market cap but I have been adjusting that early based on west coast consultants and Dev continuity requirements. 

The important thing to know for now is I am the founder, and I created biblepay, and I control the official web site and own the domain.  I can still officially say where our official forum is until this new DAO org with assets is created.

This forum is our official forum for new exposure.  Forum.biblepay.org is our official forum.

It is necessary to work with me as Founder until all measures of continuity are addressed.
We are working on something, very very promising right now, and we really need to come together as a community.

I still manage development resources, talk to devs, and create releases.  You cant possibly expect to have a fractured community with a Social Media campaign that is not in alignment with what our devs are doing and our next release.  A divided house will fall.

Please come together and support me, and as I said on the reddit thread I promise to be nice and malleable. 

I apologize for coming across in a harsh way to anyone.

 

[bible_pay]

Stay tuned for a major discussion thread later today, that appears to be very, very promising for BiblePay.

[thesnat21]

is this OK? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.0

No - its not OK.  This is still our official forum.  We could ask that the thread is taken down unless its marked non-official, or supporter.
For now, I just posted there that its not official.

This is why we eventually need a continuity plan, DAO based (not 501c3 based) that organizes our 'organization level' assets, to prevent one user from going rogue and making biblepay into something it wasnt intended (like Non-Christian for example).

For now, I mentioned a while back I would share control (with our website keys for example) with a few trusted people to create seeds for this next org - I originally said when we reach approx $20 million market cap but I have been adjusting that early based on west coast consultants and Dev continuity requirements. 

The important thing to know for now is I am the founder, and I created biblepay, and I control the official web site and own the domain.  I can still officially say where our official forum is until this new DAO org with assets is created.

This forum is our official forum for new exposure.  Forum.biblepay.org is our official forum.

It is necessary to work with me as Founder until all measures of continuity are addressed.
We are working on something, very very promising right now, and we really need to come together as a community.

I still manage development resources, talk to devs, and create releases.  You cant possibly expect to have a fractured community with a Social Media campaign that is not in alignment with what our devs are doing and our next release.  A divided house will fall.

Please come together and support me, and as I said on the reddit thread I promise to be nice and malleable. 

I apologize for coming across in a harsh way to anyone.

I agree with this, we cannot spread our current limited resources more ..  I am eager to see a DAO, but I don't want to lose track of what we have accomplished thus far.

Where there are humans we will always have trouble...  unfortunately

What we need to focus on is why we are here.   We have some hiccups but our mission is clear, Represent Christ!

[bible_pay]

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.msg47868086#msg47868086

** Warning:  Not official **

Rob, don't spread FUD that it's "risky" to use this thread,

Hi inblue, Please do not post messages here that violate the guidelines.  If you continue to do so you will be banned.

Multiple times I asked you to email me if you have any personal problems but you are afraid to.  Rob@biblepay.org.  Im waiting.

[inblue]

Togo, amazing work on the first post design! It's very clear and easy to see all info. Could we have OP in this thread updated with it please?

Let's first see if we can hear an apology from you to me for :
Claiming that I was hiding proposals
Claiming that I am dishonest
Recognizing that it was a misunderstanding on your part

And I will apologize back to you and move forward in a positive light.

Um, what are you talking about, the proof is right there - you've hidden the previous proposal from your website and made a new one, misleading users that there are not so many negative votes on that proposals, and rigging the voting system in your favor, so that your proposal could pass. This is the 100% undeniable truth, with proof on the blockchain which will never go away, no matter how hard you want it.

Also, read this:

Why Making People Apologize For Their Mistakes Is A Bad Idea
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/07/22/why-making-people-apologize-for-their-mistakes-is-a-bad-idea/

It will be a good start on your way to becoming more mature.

[inblue]

Seriously, everyone here should read this:

Why Making People Apologize For Their Mistakes Is A Bad Idea
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/07/22/why-making-people-apologize-for-their-mistakes-is-a-bad-idea/

[thesnat21]

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.msg47868086#msg47868086

There is no "official" in a decentralized project. And Togo is one of BiblePay's most loyal users.

Rob, don't spread FUD that it's "risky" to use this thread, when he posted all information correctly, all links go where they should, I checked. It's actually more "risky" to use your thread where you don't update it for months and a new user could go to an old link, see old information and generally get dizzy from the jumbled mess the post is.

inblue: please check your attitude,   I don't think it is bad to have an "official" thread (look at any other coin/project on BCT)...  

I do agree the main post should be maintained regularly(honestly I have not looked at it in a while),  and we can have that discussion.

But lets keep this thread more positive.

I'm more concerned with user/information dilution.  

If you see old/outdated stuff can you post that here? We(community managers) will address it with Rob to get the main post updated.

[bible_pay]

Togo, amazing work on the first post design! It's very clear and easy to see all info. Could we have OP in this thread updated with it please?

Let's first see if we can hear an apology from you to me for :
Claiming that I was hiding proposals
Claiming that I am dishonest
Recognizing that it was a misunderstanding on your part

And I will apologize back to you and move forward in a positive light.

Um, what are you talking about, the proof is right there - you've hidden the previous proposal from your website and made a new one, misleading users that there are not so many negative votes on that proposals, and rigging the voting system in your favor, so that your proposal could pass. This is the 100% undeniable truth, with proof on the blockchain which will never go away, no matter how hard you want it.

Also, read this:

Why Making People Apologize For Their Mistakes Is A Bad Idea
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/07/22/why-making-people-apologize-for-their-mistakes-is-a-bad-idea/

It will be a good start on your way to becoming more mature.

No, you misinterpret the feature in the pool - and misconstrue its use - any proposal can be voted on and any one user, not just me, can enter a second proposal if they wish to risk the 2500 bbp.  Same as dash - if you wish to risk 5 dash you can enter multiple dash proposals, and ask users to vote on the latest.  

I'm warning you to be a team player on this thread, and show respect in every post, or you will end up being banned.  Im starting to report your posts to the mods as they violate our community guidelines.  They attempt to mischaracterize our feature to be dishonest, while Me, as the creator clearly explain the usefulness of the feature.  Compassion uses it, BLOOM uses it, and its not dishonest.  A losing proposal is a losing proposal.  People have to pay more to re-enter another instance.  It still needs voted in.

You really need to start acting as a man and not a whiny baby InBlue.  Im acting professional and giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Please remove your bad attitude from our forum.

[inblue]

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.msg47868086#msg47868086

** Warning:  Not official **

Rob, don't spread FUD that it's "risky" to use this thread,

Hi inblue, Please do not post messages here that violate the guidelines.  If you continue to do so you will be banned.

Multiple times I asked you to email me if you have any personal problems but you are afraid to.  Rob@biblepay.org.  Im waiting.

No, the messages violate your brain, not any guidelines.

And how ironic that you call me afraid, yet you are clearly afraid because you always want to hide in private conversations! Why not be a man and speak in front of everyone? Instead, you delete messages and you manipulate everyone individually in private. Also, you are even more rude in private, so I can't see any upside to that.

[thesnat21]

Seriously, everyone here should read this:

Why Making People Apologize For Their Mistakes Is A Bad Idea
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/07/22/why-making-people-apologize-for-their-mistakes-is-a-bad-idea/

I agree with this,   imho, a forced apology is worse than no apology.   The heart is what really matters in any interaction.

[inblue]

inblue: please check your attitude

Rob attacked me because I praised Togo's redesigned OP. Is that normal to you? And then he wanted me to apologize for my "lies", but I spoke the truth, it's in the blockchain, I will link it again if needed. And he also attacked Togo naming him "rogue" and naming "risky" his totally clean thread (which I checked).

We(community managers) will address it with Rob to get the main post updated.

Lol, good luck with that, we've been trying that for months and for many times separated in time.

[bible_pay]

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5067231.msg47868086#msg47868086

** Warning:  Not official **

Rob, don't spread FUD that it's "risky" to use this thread,

Hi inblue, Please do not post messages here that violate the guidelines.  If you continue to do so you will be banned.

Multiple times I asked you to email me if you have any personal problems but you are afraid to.  Rob@biblepay.org.  Im waiting.

No, the messages violate your brain, not any guidelines.

And how ironic that you call me afraid, yet you are clearly afraid because you always want to hide in private conversations! Why not be a man and speak in front of everyone? Instead, you delete messages and you manipulate everyone individually in private. Also, you are even more rude in private, so I can't see any upside to that.

I realize you don't see an upside in it - but since I have to explain this to you - I guess Ill go ahead and do it:
This is not the place to dump your lists of unfounded inaccurate attacks.  Im telling you if you would have emailed me, I would have worked through every one until you had no choice but to reply with an apology (since the truth stands), and we would have saved the drama here.

[thesnat21]

inblue: please check your attitude

Rob attacked me because I praised Togo's redesigned OP. Is that normal to you? And then he wanted me to apologize for my "lies", but I spoke the truth, it's in the blockchain, I will link it again if needed. And he also attacked Togo naming him "rogue" and naming "risky" his totally clean thread (which I checked).

I don't agree with ANY of the attacks going on here...  I think it's more how you spoke it than what was said.

We(community managers) will address it with Rob to get the main post updated.

Lol, good luck with that, we've been trying that for months and for many times separated in time.

I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why...   I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public.

We were trying to start with a clean slate where t-mike and I were helping to maintain things here, and so far there have been issues that have been resolved due to this.

I must have missed posts, or frankly wasn't worried about the OP so never considered it before..  Can you start fresh and give it a chance?

[inblue]

Same as dash - if you wish to risk 5 dash you can enter multiple dash proposals, and ask users to vote on the latest.

NOPE, NOT SAME. In Dash the old proposal would stay visible!

A losing proposal is a losing proposal. People have to pay more to re-enter another instance. It still needs voted in.

A losing proposal is a losing proposal? Well, that's exactly what I'm advocating, but that's exactly what's NOT the case with the incident you made. You made a losing proposal into a not-losing-proposal-anymore. You practically removed all the negative votes. And then those who voted negative didn't see the new proposal or they simply thought "well I voted already for that proposal" and of course they will not vote again.

You really need to start acting as a man and not a whiny baby InBlue. Im acting professional and giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Um, you started this when you attacked me because I praised Togo's redesigned OP, lol.

[inblue]

Im telling you if you would have emailed me, I would have worked through every one until you had no choice but to reply with an apology (since the truth stands), and we would have saved the drama here.

Why don't you then work through every issue here? What is the difference? Why do you need to hide?

And the truth doesn't choose sides, it is the truth. You can't bend truth.

Also, I see you didn't take my advice and read this:
Why Making People Apologize For Their Mistakes Is A Bad Idea
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/07/22/why-making-people-apologize-for-their-mistakes-is-a-bad-idea/

[inblue]

I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why...   I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public.

Tell me one reason why. We're talking about project-related things, not our personal lives.

We were trying to start with a clean slate where t-mike and I were helping to maintain things here

Yes, I respect your and tmike's effort very much. Everything was well until user bible_pay showed up again. And wasn't the deal that he will retreat from this place? I can't remember your exact words.

[vahtis]

I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why...   I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public.

Tell me one reason why. We're talking about project-related things, not our personal lives.

We were trying to start with a clean slate where t-mike and I were helping to maintain things here

Yes, I respect your and tmike's effort very much. Everything was well until user bible_pay showed up again. And wasn't the deal that he will retreat from this place? I can't remember your exact words.

As an outsider to this heated conversation I agree with you. Rob seems to be amazing developer. But like myself and many of us developers we are not good at public discussions. This thread was going to right way as people were quite polite and there was lot of answers and improvements.
Nowadays I feel fearful as I see that rob has written to this thread.

[sunk818]

Proof of Orphan Mining: https://wiki.biblepay.org/Concept_POOM

I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why...   I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public.

Tell me one reason why. We're talking about project-related things, not our personal lives.

If a proposal is voted down, I'd say live with it. At least wait a month before you try again. Why do people get to re-submit a second proposal if the first one is voted down? I don't think any proposal should ever be hidden. It really is an insult to the entire process when people treat it like a working document. Oh, let's just change the proposal's intent on the fly or re-submit it because the BBP amount is wrong. Proposal process needs to be treated with the utmost respect.