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September 17, 2013, 08:11:48 AM |
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Hahaha I love it.Nice post :DDD |
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TheButterZone
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September 17, 2013, 08:34:02 AM |
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well maybe i have a lower threshold for when killing people is acceptable. live with it.
The convolution continues. Threshold: the point at which a stimulus is of sufficient intensity to begin to produce an effect, i.e. a low threshold of pain means you feel pain stimulus sooner than the mean, high pain threshold means you feel it later than the mean. Killing criminals is only acceptable if they are actively committing aggressive violence, the highest threshold there is, short of suicidal pacifism (as opposed to typical pacifism, where you resolve non-violent disputes with non-violence, which is only possible when your opponent isn't actively trying to kill you, then you do what it takes to live another day, like MLK Jr. did in surrounding himself with guns and white people who could carry them since he was denied his personal right to self-defense by Klan motherfuckers - note that it took a ranged shot to assassinate him, because he didn't have countersnipers on watch). In a real democracy (where those who count the votes are beyond reproach), whether they will admit it or not, the majority becomes criminals by proxy as they support actively committing aggressive violence. Saying you have "a lower threshold" (point at which the stimulus of other people doing things that you don't like, but don't cause you aggressively violent harm, begins to produce the effect of you killing them or supporting them being killed) "for when killing people is acceptable" and that we should "live with it" is contradictory, as we cannot live with it, only die from it. |
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September 17, 2013, 08:48:37 AM |
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A few facts from wikipedia: USA population: 316,676,000 Isreal population: 8,051,200 Just saying... |
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September 17, 2013, 08:51:19 AM |
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btw. in denmark guns are not allowed, but for the police.
We have only had 3 killed by school shooting in the last 10 years, and that was in 1994, and the only incident in Denmark.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell
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September 17, 2013, 09:42:56 AM |
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btw. in denmark guns are not allowed, but for the police.
We have only had 3 killed by school shooting in the last 10 years, and that was in 1994, and the only incident in Denmark.
Why would you as a criminal target a school to massacre, when you have AN ENTIRE COUNTRY RENDERED LEGALLY DEFENSELESS?! |
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September 17, 2013, 09:47:01 AM |
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btw. in denmark guns are not allowed, but for the police.
We have only had 3 killed by school shooting in the last 10 years, and that was in 1994, and the only incident in Denmark.
Why would you as a criminal target a school to massacre, when you have AN ENTIRE COUNTRY RENDERED LEGALLY DEFENSELESS?! ...and why hasn't is happened yet? |
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September 17, 2013, 09:54:05 AM |
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btw. in denmark guns are not allowed, but for the police.
We have only had 3 killed by school shooting in the last 10 years, and that was in 1994, and the only incident in Denmark.
Why would you as a criminal target a school to massacre, when you have AN ENTIRE COUNTRY RENDERED LEGALLY DEFENSELESS?! ...and why hasn't is happened yet? Way to revise history, Gun Control 101. Welcome to my ignore list. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/one-killed-in-denmark-mosque-shooting-2346090.html |
Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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September 17, 2013, 02:47:22 PM |
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btw. in denmark guns are not allowed, but for the police.
We have only had 3 killed by school shooting in the last 10 years, and that was in 1994, and the only incident in Denmark.
Why would you as a criminal target a school to massacre, when you have AN ENTIRE COUNTRY RENDERED LEGALLY DEFENSELESS?! ...and why hasn't is happened yet? Way to revise history, Gun Control 101. Welcome to my ignore list. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/one-killed-in-denmark-mosque-shooting-2346090.htmlCan you answer my question please? |
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September 17, 2013, 03:17:06 PM |
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btw. in denmark guns are not allowed, but for the police.
We have only had 3 killed by school shooting in the last 10 years, and that was in 1994, and the only incident in Denmark.
Why would you as a criminal target a school to massacre, when you have AN ENTIRE COUNTRY RENDERED LEGALLY DEFENSELESS?! ...and why hasn't is happened yet? Way to revise history, Gun Control 101. Welcome to my ignore list. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/one-killed-in-denmark-mosque-shooting-2346090.htmlCan you answer my question please? We've been down this path lots of times. The problem is not guns. It's culture, or lack thereof. M |
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September 17, 2013, 03:40:19 PM |
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I wasn't involved in the original discussion ... but I'll take a stab at it. Judges are supposed to be representatives of the public, those deemed to be worthy of objectively and morally determining the sentence of the tried party. More along what we have in the US today at the state and local level, instead of president appointments for life at the federal level garbage that we have today. NO public official should have a life term without being duly re-elected by the people. Furthermore, there is always supposed to be a jury of "peers" that are objectively selected by the judge. Judges should not have the sole ability of determining the guilt or innocence of the tried party, but they ought to be able to throw out objectively determined "frivolous law suites". Probably not the answer you are looking for. M |
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September 17, 2013, 03:51:15 PM |
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I wasn't involved in the original discussion ... but I'll take a stab at it. Judges are supposed to be representatives of the public, those deemed to be worthy of objectively and morally determining the sentence of the tried party. More along what we have in the US today at the state and local level, instead of president appointments for life at the federal level garbage that we have today. NO public official should have a life term without being duly re-elected by the people. Furthermore, there is always supposed to be a jury of "peers" that are objectively selected by the judge. Judges should not have the sole ability of determining the guilt or innocence of the tried party, but they ought to be able to throw out objectively determined "frivolous law suites". Probably not the answer you are looking for. Do you subscribe to NAP? |
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September 17, 2013, 03:53:35 PM |
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Do you subscribe to NAP?
No idea what that is. M |
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September 17, 2013, 04:01:51 PM |
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Do you subscribe to NAP?
No idea what that is. Great answer. Keep it that way. |
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September 17, 2013, 06:49:11 PM |
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A few facts from wikipedia: USA population: 316,676,000 Isreal population: 8,051,200 Just saying... Hahaha I love it.Nice post :DDD |
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September 17, 2013, 06:58:31 PM |
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Do you subscribe to NAP?
No idea what that is. Great answer. Keep it that way.  |
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September 17, 2013, 07:03:35 PM |
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"Self-defense for a group of people"?
WTF are you talking about? An innocent pilot shooting a terrorist trying to commandeer his plane to kill the passengers and people on the ground?
The pilot's act is a lawful killing, and not murder, not an act of aggression, only defense of innocent life. Stop redefining murder to make some convoluted point.
Who judges these cases? Who judges these cases now? Same people would judge them then (the pilots, the passengers, the potential airline customers, and ultimately the judges if it has to come to it) What are you trying to get at? |
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September 17, 2013, 07:06:03 PM |
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A few facts from wikipedia: USA population: 316,676,000 Isreal population: 8,051,200 Just saying... Talk about deflating someone's thunder! How funny! |
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September 17, 2013, 07:08:46 PM |
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But we don't want to live in a gun show. |
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September 17, 2013, 07:13:20 PM |
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But we don't want to live in a gun show.
See, that's the difference here. Some people like living in gun shows, but they are not forcing you to. You're free to live in a gun free zone if you want. You on the other hand don't want to live in a gun show, and are hoping to force everyone else to live the same way you do, too. That's the difference between others giving you the freedom to choose, and you forcing your wants on others, and is the same difference between anarchy and government. |
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