[ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe

[J4bberwock]

I'm sorry that your request for support did not get our attention. When did you send it? I couldn't find it. You'll be the first one to receive a 16nm H-card should we gain enough interest to justify the production.

Thank you for the offer. I still have both versions of these miners. Standing and waiting.

Will the new card coming out for the older version or only for the new?

Do they need to have the original radiators ? (15.- euro piece 

I need some quiet miners .  Winter is coming.

Off topic:
You didn't watch the latest trailer, did you?
"winter is not coming" 

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[dogie]

Will be reopening the shop soon! The chip is crazy and amazing. Anyone interested in H-cards with 16nm chips?

I think people are more interested in all the non chip parts of this, power consumption can only sell people so far.

• What will the estimated MOQ be? $1k, $10k, $100k etc.
• Please don't announce preorders...
• How much engagement we will get with the community which isn't done through a PR agency?
• How will these be sold? Please don't say system integrators and please don't say by resellers, both of which have been a detriment to end users.
• Are they going to be priced at remotely viable levels? I'm not one to comment on profitability usually but lets at least get in the ballpark.
• When is Soon^TM, cutting through the PR when are we actually expecting products?
• Who is going to support sales and support? Bitmain currently has droves of people doing just that and I can't see the Head of Product Development sticking about to answer 200 emails a day.
• Will you finally release or showcase previous designs (BF3500 etc) outside of NDA? It adds credibility and trust to consumers knowing what previous machines looked like. The last thing we saw were H-boards, which while sufficient at the time are a pretty outdated design.

I feel this - like many other previous announcements - are the diamond ring at the proposal. I just hope we don't get mistreated in the rest of the marriage.

[philipma1957]

Will be reopening the shop soon! The chip is crazy and amazing. Anyone interested in H-cards with 16nm chips?

I think people are more interested in all the non chip parts of this, power consumption can only sell people so far.

• What will the estimated MOQ be? $1k, $10k, $100k etc.
• Please don't announce preorders...
• How much engagement we will get with the community which isn't done through a PR agency?
• How will these be sold? Please don't say system integrators and please don't say by resellers, both of which have been a detriment to end users.
• Are they going to be priced at remotely viable levels? I'm not one to comment on profitability usually but lets at least get in the ballpark.
• When is Soon^TM, cutting through the PR when are we actually expecting products?
• Who is going to support sales and support? Bitmain currently has droves of people doing just that and I can't see the Head of Product Development sticking about to answer 200 emails a day.
• Will you finally release or showcase previous designs (BF3500 etc) outside of NDA? It adds credibility and trust to consumers knowing what previous machines looked like. The last thing we saw were H-boards, which while sufficient at the time are a pretty outdated design.

I feel this - like many other previous announcements - are the diamond ring at the proposal. I just hope we don't get mistreated in the rest of the marriage.

 We agree again time will tell how good it is  to buy them.

[KNK]

I sure wouldn't mind having some bare chips and documentation.

I would like to see the things you could do with bare chips and documentation. 

Would make for some impressive GekkoScience Projects!

+1 for bare chips and documentation!

I guess the volume of bare chip purchases will not be big, but for me (and probably some others) the development is fun and a Bitcoin miner as a hobby project is more fun.
I have an idea for a project, which I was about to make with some leftover 55nm chips, but with the new chips it will be even more fun and may end up less wasteful hobby.

[Gyrsur]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YRCzEqkCoiM/maxresdefault.jpg

Will be reopening the shop soon! The chip is crazy and amazing.

Anyone interested in H-cards with 16nm chips?

the price matters. we've learned a lot since summer 2013. 

but thank you for a sign to the retailers which are able to risk money.

[spiccioli]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YRCzEqkCoiM/maxresdefault.jpg

Will be reopening the shop soon! The chip is crazy and amazing.

Anyone interested in H-cards with 16nm chips?

the price matters. we've learned a lot since summer 2013. 

but thank you for a sign to the retailers which are able to risk money.

Yeah,

first units were sooo overpriced and I know from experience... sob

spiccioli

[Mitak]

But in the same time first unit did an excellent ROI.
My 25 GHS starter kit delivered 1-st of Sept 2013 made 4-5 times ROI by the end of the year

Also bought some chips and used assembly service for them 1-st gen
Got 3-4 times ROI

So  in fact all my bitfury based gear made ROI

[wlefever]

But in the same time first unit did an excellent ROI.
My 25 GHS starter kit delivered 1-st of Sept 2013 made 4-5 times ROI by the end of the year

Also bought some chips and used assembly service for them 1-st gen
Got 3-4 times ROI

So  in fact all my bitfury based gear made ROI

Quite different times when ASICs fist came out back then, but that is good to hear they ROI'd so fast the first go round!

[dropt]

But in the same time first unit did an excellent ROI.
My 25 GHS starter kit delivered 1-st of Sept 2013 made 4-5 times ROI by the end of the year

Also bought some chips and used assembly service for them 1-st gen
Got 3-4 times ROI

So  in fact all my bitfury based gear made ROI

Quite different times when ASICs fist came out back then, but that is good to hear they ROI'd so fast the first go round!

I think the only reason he "ROI'd" is because of the run up in Nov 2013.  He would have likely done waaaaayy better buying BTC In Sept and holding.

[Gyrsur]

But in the same time first unit did an excellent ROI.
My 25 GHS starter kit delivered 1-st of Sept 2013 made 4-5 times ROI by the end of the year

Also bought some chips and used assembly service for them 1-st gen
Got 3-4 times ROI

So  in fact all my bitfury based gear made ROI

Quite different times when ASICs fist came out back then, but that is good to hear they ROI'd so fast the first go round!

I think the only reason he "ROI'd" is because of the run up in Nov 2013.  He would have likely done waaaaayy better buying BTC In Sept and holding.

about 120$ one bitcoin in the beginning of September 2013.

[KNK]

The design target was 40 gigahash per second with power efficiency of 0.06 joules per gigahash ...
... BitFury’s 16nm ASIC Chip can run with as low as 0.35V power supply voltage ...
... from 55 Gh/s up to 180 Gh/s follows an almost linear relationship of 0.0011, while at 40 – 55 Gh/s measured slope converges to plateau ...
... Every BitFury 16nm Chip delivers a minimum of 100 gigahash per second of computing power. On average, the BitFury 16nm ASIC can compute in the range of as high as 140 gigahash per second using air cooling, and up to 184 gigahash per second using immersion cooling

According to my crystal ball from last night and coffee stains from this morning ... some chip specs:
1. Minimum voltage for stable operation should be 0.4V and 10A for about 60Gh/s
2. Air cooled nominal power options: 0.45V and 10A  OR  0.5V and 14A  OR  0.6V and 12A with lower freq, if the internal oscillator is programmable and voltage dependant as in the 55nm chip
3. Immersion cooled power 0.65V and 20A

Some wild guesses and speculations about the internal structure:
Let's assume 4096 cores, because on the same die size at 16nm you can fit 4 times more. Using the same rolling cores (61+4 cicles) from the 55nm chip this gives 1GHz min working freq.
Then the nominal working frequency should be ~2GHz and up to 2.9GHz with immersion cooling

EDIT: Actually you can fit 16 times more (16*864=13824) and the frequency difference above is too big, so some other options:
 with 8192 cores the numbers are coming down to 500MHz min, 1GHz nominal and 1.45GHz ... still too big frequency difference
 with 10240 cores: 400MHz min, 800MHz nominal and 1.1GHz
 with 13824 cores: ~300MHz min, ~600MHz nominal and ~860Mhz ... seems normal, so that is more likely the case

[Mitak]

I personally hope that there is a chance if in fact bitfury will release the dev chip sales there will be again incentive for developers like intron or vs3 and we'll see again treads in this section about real hardware design .
Maybe then again this part of the forum will match it's point.
I'm sick and tired to read endless posts about Ant miner setups, paid reviews (hidden PR of overpriced mass produced Chinese HW), scams with Photoshop pictures  etc.
There are close to any HW and SW miner design treads around lately .

Make it a Christmas wish

[HyperMega]

The design target was 40 gigahash per second with power efficiency of 0.06 joules per gigahash ...
... BitFury’s 16nm ASIC Chip can run with as low as 0.35V power supply voltage ...
... from 55 Gh/s up to 180 Gh/s follows an almost linear relationship of 0.0011, while at 40 – 55 Gh/s measured slope converges to plateau ...
... Every BitFury 16nm Chip delivers a minimum of 100 gigahash per second of computing power. On average, the BitFury 16nm ASIC can compute in the range of as high as 140 gigahash per second using air cooling, and up to 184 gigahash per second using immersion cooling

According to my crystal ball from last night and coffee stains from this morning ... some chip specs:
1. Minimum voltage for stable operation should be 0.4V and 10A for about 60Gh/s
2. Air cooled nominal power options: 0.45V and 10A  OR  0.5V and 14A  OR  0.6V and 12A with lower freq, if the internal oscillator is programmable and voltage dependant as in the 55nm chip
3. Immersion cooled power 0.65V and 20A

Some wild guesses and speculations about the internal structure:
Let's assume 4096 cores, because on the same die size at 16nm you can fit 4 times more. Using the same rolling cores (61+4 cicles) from the 55nm chip this gives 1GHz min working freq.
Then the nominal working frequency should be ~2GHz and up to 2.9GHz with immersion cooling

EDIT: Actually you can fit 16 times more (16*864=13824) and the frequency difference above is too big, so some other options:
 with 8192 cores the numbers are coming down to 500MHz min, 1GHz nominal and 1.45GHz ... still too big frequency difference
 with 10240 cores: 400MHz min, 800MHz nominal and 1.1GHz
 with 13824 cores: ~300MHz min, ~600MHz nominal and ~860Mhz ... seems normal, so that is more likely the case

I was just about to express my doubts, about the technology scaling factor and the achieveable frequrencies around 0.4V with 16nm FinFETs, but your EDIT sounds much more feasible.

[KNK]

I was just about to express my doubts, about the technology scaling factor and the achieveable frequrencies around 0.4V with 16nm FinFETs, but your EDIT sounds much more feasible.

Yeah sorry, the coffee stain wasn't dry enough yet

[BTC LOVER]

Will be reopening the shop soon! The chip is crazy and amazing. Anyone interested in H-cards with 16nm chips?

I think people are more interested in all the non chip parts of this, power consumption can only sell people so far.

• What will the estimated MOQ be? $1k, $10k, $100k etc.
• Please don't announce preorders...
• How much engagement we will get with the community which isn't done through a PR agency?
• How will these be sold? Please don't say system integrators and please don't say by resellers, both of which have been a detriment to end users.
• Are they going to be priced at remotely viable levels? I'm not one to comment on profitability usually but lets at least get in the ballpark.
• When is Soon^TM, cutting through the PR when are we actually expecting products?
• Who is going to support sales and support? Bitmain currently has droves of people doing just that and I can't see the Head of Product Development sticking about to answer 200 emails a day.
• Will you finally release or showcase previous designs (BF3500 etc) outside of NDA? It adds credibility and trust to consumers knowing what previous machines looked like. The last thing we saw were H-boards, which while sufficient at the time are a pretty outdated design.

I feel this - like many other previous announcements - are the diamond ring at the proposal. I just hope we don't get mistreated in the rest of the marriage.

 We agree again time will tell how good it is  to buy them.

anyways a ROI would be great within that kind of invests

[sobe-it]

Will be reopening the shop soon! The chip is crazy and amazing. Anyone interested in H-cards with 16nm chips?

I think people are more interested in all the non chip parts of this, power consumption can only sell people so far.

• What will the estimated MOQ be? $1k, $10k, $100k etc.
• Please don't announce preorders...
• How much engagement we will get with the community which isn't done through a PR agency?
• How will these be sold? Please don't say system integrators and please don't say by resellers, both of which have been a detriment to end users.
• Are they going to be priced at remotely viable levels? I'm not one to comment on profitability usually but lets at least get in the ballpark.
• When is Soon^TM, cutting through the PR when are we actually expecting products?
• Who is going to support sales and support? Bitmain currently has droves of people doing just that and I can't see the Head of Product Development sticking about to answer 200 emails a day.
• Will you finally release or showcase previous designs (BF3500 etc) outside of NDA? It adds credibility and trust to consumers knowing what previous machines looked like. The last thing we saw were H-boards, which while sufficient at the time are a pretty outdated design.

I feel this - like many other previous announcements - are the diamond ring at the proposal. I just hope we don't get mistreated in the rest of the marriage.

Yes the h card may be an outdated design but it worked... with the specs of this chip it means 1 h card would almost hit 1th @ 60 ghs or easily above 1.5th per card on the high end (air). Hell I would take a 1-4 card setup over an s5 or s7 even if they had the same efficiency, yes a little wonkey but the scalability and quietness would win me over. The scalability would win IMO, alot of people dont want to or cant dump 5 btc for a rig designed like avalon, antminer ect nor want to be locked in at that much power draw (price per kwh also plays into it) but would like to run something current gen. I have 2 h card rigs stitting here that I turn on every so often, I could easily sleep next to these things..... newer gen chips in place of these, why yes please.

[Micky25]

The chip is crazy and amazing.

pics or it didn't happen 

[hdbuck]

The chip is crazy and amazing.

pics or it didn't happen  

[Micky25]

The chip is crazy and amazing.

pics or it didn't happen  

[RealMalatesta]

With these chips I'll need some heating in my mine...