[ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe

[MXRider]

why ? you pay in eu, and  send for free in Asia as a gift there is nothing else or do You think the folks will be happy  pay more then 25% (i do not know,where i live it's Tax+fee 35%) from 15 000 EUR pre-orders in USA as the customs fee ))

Good luck sending it uninsured. Gifts are not insured for 15k€

[madsusies]

it must be me, but I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

buzzdave sell the Bitfury ASIC stuff from EU in USA, if he gets a 1 mil.USD(teoreticky) from US folks to buy units how get the units to US soil and avoid to pay customs fee?

Good luck sending it uninsured. Gifts are not insured for 15k€

I do not know the laws in Asia but in Slovakia You Sir pay just 2% as customs gift fee

[alfabitcoin]

it must be me, but I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

buzzdave sell the Bitfury ASIC stuff from EU in USA, if he gets a 1 mil.USD(teoreticky) from US folks to buy units how get the units to US soil and avoid to pay customs fee?

Good luck sending it uninsured. Gifts are not insured for 15k€

I do not know the laws in Asia but in Slovakia You Sir pay just 2% as customs gift fee

VAT is one thing, customs fee is another and insurance is another.
Most country in Eu does not have customs fee for electronics but they need to pay VAT.

[madsusies]

Yes Sir, but only if You are the Company, you ask from peeps the VAT, not if you are someshop.com . The tax department  would kill me if I ask for Tax return from invoice where the company address is just shop.com (zero track to check) Gosh Kemiö, really In project (development) was/are folks from USA,CA,RU and the production or HQ is in Kemiö. I was there it's nice place but....you know 

[alfabitcoin]

Yes Sir, but only if You are the Company, you ask from peeps the VAT, not if you are someshop.com . The tax department  would kill me if I ask for Tax return from invoice where the company address is just shop.com (zero track to check) Gosh Kemiö, really In project (development) was/are folks from USA,CA,RU and the production or HQ is in Kemiö. I was there it's nice place but....you know 

There should be no problems if both of seller and the buyer has company and valid VAT number. Futher, inovice need to have all that information.
Sending something as a gift or of declared value what is under the limit what carry tax duty or VAT is a risky and you as a buyer could have a problems. Customs can inspect it and if they suspect it then, you have a big problem. By "you" I does not mean necessary "you".
All of that depend on the seller, who is in this case a company and must comply with the import/export regulations.

I still do not understand your idea and you should expain it a little more....

[punin]

Hello everyone, I'm sorry for my absence in the thread. Been really busy here and I bet you all know how much questions Bitcointalk can generate in just a few hours

I updated the OP with some Q&A where I tried to address most of questions. Thank you for your support, orders and trust!

[Foofighter]

Hello everyone, I'm sorry for my absence in the thread. Been really busy here and I bet you all know how much questions Bitcointalk can generate in just a few hours

I updated the OP with some Q&A where I tried to address most of questions. Thank you for your support, orders and trust!

thanks for the FAQ,

what about the sold out units? WIll there be more August Units available?

Thanks

[madsusies]

I  Join too. Nice from You Sir, but aren't You Out Of stock for July & August? Many people like me do not know if they should buy BTC or wait for SEPA payments if the august is "Out Of stock"

[darkfriend77]

Hey guys, I will probably make a design for a casing, currently waiting for punins answer on this matter, he mentioned that they will maybe provide casings on there own.

Anyone interested in this?

regards

im interested in a case ....

[achimsmile]

Thanks for the update niko!

A: Demonstrated max speed of chip is 3.4GH/s with c-scape quick proto board and massive cooling. This could perhaps be further increased with even better cooling and board design. On our kits the chips are under clocked however to produce better efficiency and easier cooling.

This is great news!  soldering a different regulator on the pcb get's tempting if I added heatsinks...

Hope that you can fix the VAT issue soon, because if I get the VAT back of my swiss order, I could buy another H-Board

[klondike_bar]

Thanks for the update niko!

A: Demonstrated max speed of chip is 3.4GH/s with c-scape quick proto board and massive cooling. This could perhaps be further increased with even better cooling and board design. On our kits the chips are under clocked however to produce better efficiency and easier cooling.

This is great news!  soldering a different regulator on the pcb get's tempting if I added heatsinks...

that means that the chips can run at twice their advertised speed potentially!  I can't wait to hear whether that becomes reproducible with the H-boards either via firmware changes or hardware mods/cooling

[allinvain]

Do you guys think it's worth getting an Oct 400 gh kit? It looks like by then KNC will likely deliver and BFL will continue to pump out ASICS so difficulty may make it impossible to pay this kit off.

[tom99]

Do you guys think it's worth getting an Oct 400 gh kit? It looks like by then KNC will likely deliver and BFL will continue to pump out ASICS so difficulty may make it impossible to pay this kit off.

Alot of people think KNC wont make it by Sept. shpping but when no one know for sure.

[madsusies]

If the diff in Oct. will be 200mil. the 400Gh unit give you Sir only 2000USD month 1BTC a day

[allinvain]

If the diff in Oct. will be 200mil. the 400Gh unit give you Sir only 2000USD month 1BTC a day

Hmm, that would bring the ROI period to 3.5 months. From that point on it's only downhill as far as earnings.

But look at it this way at 200 mil difficulty an avalon unit will make just 0.18 btc per day.

[androz]

all August Units unavailable?

[Anduck]

all August Units unavailable?

I think they're sold, yes. October delivered might be sold soon, too, dunno.

[androz]

all August Units unavailable?

I think they're sold, yes. October delivered might be sold soon, too, dunno.

unfortunately i don't even see 25GH Miner Starter Kit october delivery, so for small budget ppl is too late

shit, i saw couple of days before were still available august items, we weren't told about "hurry up " 

[alfabitcoin]

If the diff in Oct. will be 200mil. the 400Gh unit give you Sir only 2000USD month 1BTC a day

Hmm, that would bring the ROI period to 3.5 months. From that point on it's only downhill as far as earnings.

But look at it this way at 200 mil difficulty an avalon unit will make just 0.18 btc per day.

I do not believe in oct diff will be so high; maybe 100-150mil. Anyhow, I feel that 400ghs miner is the "best buy" Will met ROI in couple of months and in next several months will give decent profit. But again, that depend on many factors.

[Its About Sharing]

all August Units unavailable?

I think they're sold, yes. October delivered might be sold soon, too, dunno.

unfortunately i don't even see 25GH Miner Starter Kit october delivery, so for small budget ppl is too late

shit, i saw couple of days before were still available august items, we weren't told about "hurry up " 

This is too bad. The thing about BTC that is iffy is the miners getting in too few hands and as the difficulty increases it takes the small guy out of it for the most part.