Why do you believe God exists?

[af_newbie]

Man... The scientists have shied away

Oh man, you are not only a gullible idiot but also an uneducated one.

Did you take Biology in high school? 

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/a/lines-of-evidence-for-evolution

You sound like an ignorant bronze age goat herder.  Magic is everywhere, God created everything, "he sees you when you sleeping, he knows when you are awake..." etc.

Just learn the basics, you will be overwhelmed with evidence.

Even Pope disagrees with morons like you:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html

[exemplaar]

Too many words to try to argue a theory isn't a bunch of assumptions that haven't been tested.

Faithful NO evidence atheist COUNT: 1

   

?? Too many words? The definition of a scientific theory is clear and has been clear all along, the fact that you can't even admit that you were deeply wrong on this clearly shows your bias and lack of critical thinking. You are a disgusting human being, get out of my face, keep living your ignorant life and believing random youtube videos like a 5 year old. Don't bother responding, you are ignored forever.

You are just running away cause you have no arguments against his challenge. Coward.

Not worth wasting time with monkey men here.

Astargath is also a top 3 knucklehead in our thread, you can check it out.

Can't post link, otherwise another one of them will delete my post.






 

[michaelkelly8798]

Man... The scientists have shied away

Oh man, you are not only a gullible idiot but also an uneducated one.

Did you take Biology in high school? 

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/a/lines-of-evidence-for-evolution

You sound like an ignorant bronze age goat herder.  Magic is everywhere, God created everything, "he sees you when you sleeping, he knows when you are awake..." etc.

Just learn the basics, you will be overwhelmed with evidence.

Even Pope disagrees with morons like you:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html

Is this your proof? I will break down each of your subtheories with real science:

Anatomy: There are families of species, which doesn't mean one evolved from the other they simply have similar features. It just proves a common designer. Comodo dragon didn’t evolve from the lizard just because the look similar, they are just from the same family.

DNA: Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes; Apes and monkeys have 24 pairs this must mean we come from the monkey, but wait tobacco also has 24 pairs we might have come from tobacco as well. Chicken and dogs both have 78 chromosomes who evolved from who? They’re very similar. Amebas have 50 chromosomes if we came from ameba how come they have more chromosomes than us.

Fossils: You don't need a creationist telling debating fossils don't prove evolution cause you can find scientists that support evolution stating fossils don’t prove it. (Yo u tube .c om/watch?v=X28MZbQGjZk (see by yourself, you won’t have issues finding other videos XD))

Direct observation: All you can see is MICRO evolution (which exists), macroevolution hasn't been observed. (That's why is just a theory)

Now let's compare your whole evolutive theory with a real LAW, let's review basic biology, according to the LAW OF BIOGENESIS: it refers to the production of life from already-living matter or organisms. Living organisms CAN'T be produced from non-living matter. You can look for a guy named Louis Pasteur (if you remember him from your school years) and the meat experiment reproduced over and over by other scientists.  Biogenesis is routinely observed at all levels of life. When a bacteria divides, a plant produces seeds, or a mammal gives birth and so on. Now repeat again how bacteria originated from an explosion of different gases.

Don't quote the pope man, he is as ignorant as you are, he doesn't represent the God of Israel because he is speaking against Him and against the way the Bible describes God made the world, whoever says God is a liar doesn’t represent God.

[michaelkelly8798]

Too many words to try to argue a theory isn't a bunch of assumptions that haven't been tested.

Faithful NO evidence atheist COUNT: 1

   

?? Too many words? The definition of a scientific theory is clear and has been clear all along, the fact that you can't even admit that you were deeply wrong on this clearly shows your bias and lack of critical thinking. You are a disgusting human being, get out of my face, keep living your ignorant life and believing random youtube videos like a 5 year old. Don't bother responding, you are ignored forever.

You are just running away cause you have no arguments against his challenge. Coward.

Not worth wasting time with monkey men here.

Astargath is also a top 3 knucklehead in our thread, you can check it out.

Can't post link, otherwise another one of them will delete my post.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9Ai09Ik0Adg/maxresdefault.jpg




 

Yes man, I could see he is just another fanatic, no reasoning from his side.

[CoinCube]

Even Pope disagrees with morons like you:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html

Not sure the Pope is the best source to be citing for moral clarity. He is not widly regarding outside of Catholic circles and even withing Catholicism his standing is rapidly diminishing for various reasons.

Pope Francis’ approval rating plummets among Catholics
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-approval-rating-plummets-among-american-catholics-in-response


michaelkelly8798 raises a fair point about scientific theories. Many people grab onto whatever scientific theory is currently in vogue and proclaim it as absolute truth. Often this is a way for the slower minded to avoid thinking about a topic. They just want to be told the answer. People who just want to be told the answer often get upset and angry when an answer they have already accepted is questioned.

Uncorrupted science is a search for truth. Plausible ideas and concepts that are not incompatible with current observations are scientific theories. Proven reproducible facts are scientific laws. Theories are often wrong no matter how many scientists ascribe to them. The trashcan of history is full of discarded theories that were once widely embraced by scientists.

The best modern example I can think of is the current scare mongering over man made global warming. The media, the majority of climate scientists, and indeed even the Pope are on record proclaiming that we are cooking the planet and to question this narrative is to be anti-science and worthy of public shamming.

The reality however is that there are very compelling reasons to doubt this uniform presentation of doom. It just takes a genuine scientist and a superior idea to do so.
 
Professor Valentina Zharkova is a tenured professor Mathematician and Astrophysicist. Her model of solar cycles is entirely reproducible, and accurately accounts for prior global temperature variations with a greater then 90% accuracy. It also almost entirely repudiates the current global warming narrative so it is ignored.

Professor Valentina Zharkova: The Solar Magnet Field and the Terrestrial Climate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY&feature=youtu.be

How many people will take the 90 minutes to watch Professor Zharkova's presentation?  Very few most will prefer to just be told the answer by the media the Pope or whoever else is whispering in their ear.

Truth is like that. Often hidden away in the background present but not demanding or forceful. It patiently waits for people to get tired of their current falsehood and approach it when they are ready.

[BADecker]

All you have to do is read through the topic, Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0 However, this topic is not for believing that God exists. It is for showing the proof that God exists, so that you KNOW that God exists.

When a person doesn't understand the proof, he might believe (or not) depending on the way the discussion goes. When a person understands the proof, he stops being a believer that God exists, because he KNOWS that God exists.

Then why does the Bible - and many other religious books - say that faith is required for salvation? What does a person have to have faith in to be saved?

Faith is in the things that God SAYS and PROMISES. Faith is NOT faith in the fact that God exists. God's existence in known. The thing that is not known is if He is telling the truth about Himself and salvation. We have faith that He IS truthful.

Believe what God says. You already know that He exists.

[cryptoperkele]

I was a believer until somewhere like 16, i was questioning the hypocrisy of my beliefs. I didn't immediately change my views because i could not see what else there was and i was afraid. So first i changed my views to buddhism, to shamanism and was grasping all the other views as well as long they were somehow keeping some sort of human centric angle to the universe.

Why i was a believer? I was raised to it. Just plain and simple. I could not grasp that everything that has been tought to me by my loving mom could be such a nonsense.

[exemplaar]

What do you want to tell here. Everyone is a believer. 

Atheists believe in monkeyman science which is BTW not testable nor even repeatable and is unprovable.

Got some stardust?



DYOR! Scientism is just modern repackage of mystic occult practices.



 

[michaelkelly8798]

All you have to do is read through the topic, Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0 However, this topic is not for believing that God exists. It is for showing the proof that God exists, so that you KNOW that God exists.

When a person doesn't understand the proof, he might believe (or not) depending on the way the discussion goes. When a person understands the proof, he stops being a believer that God exists, because he KNOWS that God exists.

Then why does the Bible - and many other religious books - say that faith is required for salvation? What does a person have to have faith in to be saved?

Faith is in the things that God SAYS and PROMISES. Faith is NOT faith in the fact that God exists. God's existence in known. The thing that is not known is if He is telling the truth about Himself and salvation. We have faith that He IS truthful.

Believe what God says. You already know that He exists.

These folks need some real knowledge, well done.

[af_newbie]

All you have to do is read through the topic, Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0 However, this topic is not for believing that God exists. It is for showing the proof that God exists, so that you KNOW that God exists.

When a person doesn't understand the proof, he might believe (or not) depending on the way the discussion goes. When a person understands the proof, he stops being a believer that God exists, because he KNOWS that God exists.

Then why does the Bible - and many other religious books - say that faith is required for salvation? What does a person have to have faith in to be saved?

Faith is in the things that God SAYS and PROMISES. Faith is NOT faith in the fact that God exists. God's existence in known. The thing that is not known is if He is telling the truth about Himself and salvation. We have faith that He IS truthful.

Believe what God says. You already know that He exists.

These folks need some real knowledge, well done.

You win, I give up.  Now, take your medication and go read the Bible.

Good night boys and girls.

[Astargath]

Even Pope disagrees with morons like you:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html

Not sure the Pope is the best source to be citing for moral clarity. He is not widly regarding outside of Catholic circles and even withing Catholicism his standing is rapidly diminishing for various reasons.

Pope Francis’ approval rating plummets among Catholics
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-approval-rating-plummets-among-american-catholics-in-response


michaelkelly8798 raises a fair point about scientific theories. Many people grab onto whatever scientific theory is currently in vogue and proclaim it as absolute truth. Often this is a way for the slower minded to avoid thinking about a topic. They just want to be told the answer. People who just want to be told the answer often get upset and angry when an answer they have already accepted is questioned.

Uncorrupted science is a search for truth. Plausible ideas and concepts that are not incompatible with current observations are scientific theories. Proven reproducible facts are scientific laws. Theories are often wrong no matter how many scientists ascribe to them. The trashcan of history is full of discarded theories that were once widely embraced by scientists.

The best modern example I can think of is the current scare mongering over man made global warming. The media, the majority of climate scientists, and indeed even the Pope are on record proclaiming that we are cooking the planet and to question this narrative is to be anti-science and worthy of public shamming.

The reality however is that there are very compelling reasons to doubt this uniform presentation of doom. It just takes a genuine scientist and a superior idea to do so.
 
Professor Valentina Zharkova is a tenured professor Mathematician and Astrophysicist. Her model of solar cycles is entirely reproducible, and accurately accounts for prior global temperature variations with a greater then 90% accuracy. It also almost entirely repudiates the current global warming narrative so it is ignored.

Professor Valentina Zharkova: The Solar Magnet Field and the Terrestrial Climate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY&feature=youtu.be

How many people will take the 90 minutes to watch Professor Zharkova's presentation?  Very few most will prefer to just be told the answer by the media the Pope or whoever else is whispering in their ear.

Truth is like that. Often hidden away in the background present but not demanding or forceful. It patiently waits for people to get tired of their current falsehood and approach it when they are ready.

Scientific theories are the best explanation for a specific thing though. Also global warming is not a scientific theory. The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

[ATMD]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

[Astargath]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

[BADecker]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

When you get right into the reason why some medicine seems to heal people, you have the same thing. Here's what happens.

We get some medical testing that shows biochemically in the lab that a particular medicine works. Then in live testing, some people seem to be healed by the medicine in question. Some are not. The thing we don't understand enough, is the working of the psyche, to be able to say for a fact that it was the medicine that healed them.

Well, if it wasn't the medicine, then what was it? Maybe 90% of the healings are placebo effect... faith (even in animals). Maybe, when it comes right down to it, close to 100% are placebo-like effect.

Maybe being healed by medicine has to do with the treated person subconsciously recognizing, through his nervous system, that there is some biochemical activity going on from the medicine. And then he heals himself by what he feels through his nervous system. The medicine action doesn't really have anything to do with the actual healing in a biochemical way.

Some studies suggest that placebo effect heals in as many as 30+% or the cases. We simply don't know enough about the psyche of people in general to know if it is more or not. And the medical doesn't want to do these kinds of studies in a big way. Do enough of them to make it look like we are studying placebo effect. But don't do enough to take business away from Big Pharma.

[af_newbie]

Even Pope disagrees with morons like you:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html

Not sure the Pope is the best source to be citing for moral clarity. He is not widly regarding outside of Catholic circles and even withing Catholicism his standing is rapidly diminishing for various reasons.

Pope Francis’ approval rating plummets among Catholics
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-approval-rating-plummets-among-american-catholics-in-response


michaelkelly8798 raises a fair point about scientific theories. Many people grab onto whatever scientific theory is currently in vogue and proclaim it as absolute truth. Often this is a way for the slower minded to avoid thinking about a topic. They just want to be told the answer. People who just want to be told the answer often get upset and angry when an answer they have already accepted is questioned.

Uncorrupted science is a search for truth. Plausible ideas and concepts that are not incompatible with current observations are scientific theories. Proven reproducible facts are scientific laws. Theories are often wrong no matter how many scientists ascribe to them. The trashcan of history is full of discarded theories that were once widely embraced by scientists.

michaelkelly8798, is a deluded automaton, he probably cannot tie his shoes never mind understand anything in biochemistry or biology.

Pope was just echoing what PAS (Pontifical Academy of Sciences) has been saying for years.

http://www.pas.va/content/accademia/en/publications/acta/acta23/arber.html

[Astargath]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

When you get right into the reason why some medicine seems to heal people, you have the same thing. Here's what happens.

We get some medical testing that shows biochemically in the lab that a particular medicine works. Then in live testing, some people seem to be healed by the medicine in question. Some are not. The thing we don't understand enough, is the working of the psyche, to be able to say for a fact that it was the medicine that healed them.

Well, if it wasn't the medicine, then what was it? Maybe 90% of the healings are placebo effect... faith (even in animals). Maybe, when it comes right down to it, close to 100% are placebo-like effect.

Maybe being healed by medicine has to do with the treated person subconsciously recognizing, through his nervous system, that there is some biochemical activity going on from the medicine. And then he heals himself by what he feels through his nervous system. The medicine action doesn't really have anything to do with the actual healing in a biochemical way.

Some studies suggest that placebo effect heals in as many as 30+% or the cases. We simply don't know enough about the psyche of people in general to know if it is more or not. And the medical doesn't want to do these kinds of studies in a big way. Do enough of them to make it look like we are studying placebo effect. But don't do enough to take business away from Big Pharma.

No. Placebo effect exists, that's true, however you will not be ''cured'' by placebo effect alone. No one has been ever ''cured'' from cancer due to placebo. It's true that when it comes to pain relief treatments, the placebo effect can play a big role and a lot of people can feel better even though they are getting worse. This is because the placebo effect is a psychological effect not physiological. The brain is the responsible of pain and other symptoms, pain is literally a fabrication of your brain and the placebo effect can stop it, however that's where it ends, it does not heal you from deadly diseases.

[BADecker]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

When you get right into the reason why some medicine seems to heal people, you have the same thing. Here's what happens.

We get some medical testing that shows biochemically in the lab that a particular medicine works. Then in live testing, some people seem to be healed by the medicine in question. Some are not. The thing we don't understand enough, is the working of the psyche, to be able to say for a fact that it was the medicine that healed them.

Well, if it wasn't the medicine, then what was it? Maybe 90% of the healings are placebo effect... faith (even in animals). Maybe, when it comes right down to it, close to 100% are placebo-like effect.

Maybe being healed by medicine has to do with the treated person subconsciously recognizing, through his nervous system, that there is some biochemical activity going on from the medicine. And then he heals himself by what he feels through his nervous system. The medicine action doesn't really have anything to do with the actual healing in a biochemical way.

Some studies suggest that placebo effect heals in as many as 30+% or the cases. We simply don't know enough about the psyche of people in general to know if it is more or not. And the medical doesn't want to do these kinds of studies in a big way. Do enough of them to make it look like we are studying placebo effect. But don't do enough to take business away from Big Pharma.

No. Placebo effect exists, that's true, however you will not be ''cured'' by placebo effect alone. No one has been ever ''cured'' from cancer due to placebo. It's true that when it comes to pain relief treatments, the placebo effect can play a big role and a lot of people can feel better even though they are getting worse. This is because the placebo effect is a psychological effect not physiological. The brain is the responsible of pain and other symptoms, pain is literally a fabrication of your brain and the placebo effect can stop it, however that's where it ends, it does not heal you from deadly diseases.

Quite the opposite. Placebo effect acts in both directions... to heal and to make ill. You've heard of people who died after the doctor told them they only had a couple months to live. Did they die because of faith in what the doctor said?

The basic idea of placebo effect has to do with what you believe. You believe this way or that, and you prove it by what you do. It is happening all around us in politics and all of everyday life. People do what they do because they believe that way.

Placebo effect is simply bodily regulation through belief. Often people don't know that they are using placebo effect. Double blind medical studies prove this out.

Trying to force yourself into a position of believing yourself cured doesn't work very often. Why not? Because the thing you accidentally focus on is the thing that you are trying to push out of your mind. You focus on it because you are trying to force it out. But by focusing on it, you are really keeping it in mind.

We don't know enough about the psyche to easily fathom its inner workings. Placebo effect cures some cancer. Placebo effect out-performs medicine. We might be finding out that placebo-effect/faith is the only medicine, and that Big Pharma medicine only acts like placebo effect in the central systems of the body.

Since the question about placebo effect exist, we are really only guessing that medicine does anything at all.

Incidentally, you fail to answer me realistically, because you know that I am right, and you can't force yourself into believing the garbage you say. You are using a form of placebo effect, and you are using it against yourself.

[ATMD]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

Yes, but they believe their experiences were real, they don't need us to believe them. They know what they saw, we don't know what they saw. We don't believe them, we call them "delusional"

[Astargath]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

Yes, but they believe their experiences were real, they don't need us to believe them. They know what they saw, we don't know what they saw. We don't believe them, we call them "delusional"

The definition of faith would be never having any experience of any sort and still believe in God, that is faith. I think it is completely different.

Whatever you want to call it, it is not the way to the truth, clearly. I mean how many people claim they have seen ghosts? Aliens? Demons, etc etc. They all believe their experiences are real, all religious people believe they saw their god and yet not all gods can exist at the same time so we at least know some of them have to be wrong. What's the way to determine the truth, then? No way, personal experiences are useless.

[Astargath]

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

When you get right into the reason why some medicine seems to heal people, you have the same thing. Here's what happens.

We get some medical testing that shows biochemically in the lab that a particular medicine works. Then in live testing, some people seem to be healed by the medicine in question. Some are not. The thing we don't understand enough, is the working of the psyche, to be able to say for a fact that it was the medicine that healed them.

Well, if it wasn't the medicine, then what was it? Maybe 90% of the healings are placebo effect... faith (even in animals). Maybe, when it comes right down to it, close to 100% are placebo-like effect.

Maybe being healed by medicine has to do with the treated person subconsciously recognizing, through his nervous system, that there is some biochemical activity going on from the medicine. And then he heals himself by what he feels through his nervous system. The medicine action doesn't really have anything to do with the actual healing in a biochemical way.

Some studies suggest that placebo effect heals in as many as 30+% or the cases. We simply don't know enough about the psyche of people in general to know if it is more or not. And the medical doesn't want to do these kinds of studies in a big way. Do enough of them to make it look like we are studying placebo effect. But don't do enough to take business away from Big Pharma.

No. Placebo effect exists, that's true, however you will not be ''cured'' by placebo effect alone. No one has been ever ''cured'' from cancer due to placebo. It's true that when it comes to pain relief treatments, the placebo effect can play a big role and a lot of people can feel better even though they are getting worse. This is because the placebo effect is a psychological effect not physiological. The brain is the responsible of pain and other symptoms, pain is literally a fabrication of your brain and the placebo effect can stop it, however that's where it ends, it does not heal you from deadly diseases.

Quite the opposite. Placebo effect acts in both directions... to heal and to make ill. You've heard of people who died after the doctor told them they only had a couple months to live. Did they die because of faith in what the doctor said?

The basic idea of placebo effect has to do with what you believe. You believe this way or that, and you prove it by what you do. It is happening all around us in politics and all of everyday life. People do what they do because they believe that way.

Placebo effect is simply bodily regulation through belief. Often people don't know that they are using placebo effect. Double blind medical studies prove this out.

Trying to force yourself into a position of believing yourself cured doesn't work very often. Why not? Because the thing you accidentally focus on is the thing that you are trying to push out of your mind. You focus on it because you are trying to force it out. But by focusing on it, you are really keeping it in mind.

We don't know enough about the psyche to easily fathom its inner workings. Placebo effect cures some cancer. Placebo effect out-performs medicine. We might be finding out that placebo-effect/faith is the only medicine, and that Big Pharma medicine only acts like placebo effect in the central systems of the body.

Since the question about placebo effect exist, we are really only guessing that medicine does anything at all.

Incidentally, you fail to answer me realistically, because you know that I am right, and you can't force yourself into believing the garbage you say. You are using a form of placebo effect, and you are using it against yourself.

I like how you always talk out of your ass, placebo effect does not cure cancer, ever or any other deadly disease and there is no evidence of it.