Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread!

[KaydenC]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.



Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

[citronick]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.

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Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

whats the minimum qty for pre-order?

[MfzbCoin]

The avalon miner is coming out. Are you ready to buy miner? I haven't used this miner, and I hope to give some advice,

[KaydenC]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.

...

Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

whats the minimum qty for pre-order?

I asked pricing for 80pcs and was quoted $700. It should get slightly cheaper (expensive) if the quantity increases (decreases). Didn't ask for the minimum qty though.

It's good density, but 2x 580s is a better deal imo. It needs to be $600 or lower,  unless resale value is no issue for you then it can be seen as a msrp 1080ti with better eth performance.

[QuintLeo]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.

Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

Or standard 1070 cards I have running a bit over 31 Mhash at 98 to 103 watts (The 98 card has one of my modded fan setups though, so add perhaps one more watt for the external 5V power to the pair of fans).

[Elder III]

Hey guys

Quick question here, apart from Ethash and Cryptonight, is there any other algos where AMD cards perform well ?

Neoscrypt, Lyra2v2, Equihash are competitive to various degrees --- you can mine Xevan and Nist5 too but they don't compete with Nvidia very well there. I'm probably also forgetting some other options.

The last time tried running Lyra2v2 on an RX 570 - about 2 months ago - it was unbelievably slow; as in, more than 10x slower than a GTX 1060. I've seen mention of a new Lyra2v2 miner for AMD on the forum, but since I rarely mine with that algo, anyway (snagging a few VTC here and there), I haven't bothered trying it.

From my testing notes, AMD does deliver competitive performance on Neoscrypt vs. a similarly priced Nvidia card (based on MSRP). E.g. - my RX 570 does 720 kH/s using the old version of Gateless Gate (no GUI, no devfee) while each of my GTX 1060 do 650 kH/s using the KlausT fork of ccminer, and a claimed 720 kH/s with Palgin's hsrminer_neoscrypt (emphasis on "claimed" and his program is a bit unstable).

I haven't tried Xevan on AMD - I'm not aware of any miner programs for it, actually (NB - this doesn't mean there isn't one!) - but since this algo seems to be only used on shady MasterNode coins I have only done brief testing with ccminer-alexis78 on Nvidia.

Same with X17, NIST5, etc... There just doesn't seem to be as much variety in miner software for AMD to support these less popular algos, probably because AMD is so vastly superior at Cryptonight and Ethash it makes little sense to use it on anything else.

A stock Rx 480 8GB does 30-34 Mh/s with the newer Lyra2v2 miner in my testing, Rx 470/570s do 22-26 Mh/s using the same miner. I'm not sure why the difference between different GPUs of the same series since I don't think the memory type matters for that algorithm. It's fairly competitive imo... higher avg hashrate then the GTX 1060 series at the cost of a little more power.

The new Claymore Neoscrypt miner is pretty good too - if you increase the power limit you get quite high hashrate, but I prefer to leave the power at stock.... stock Rx 480 8GB does 860 kh/s (can be tweaked higher) and Rx 470/570 does around 740-750 at stock settings.  The good old Fury X does 1550-1600 kh/s at stock and 1190 kh/s at -50% power.... I don't have any Vega GPUs, but people report 2000 Kh/s with that new miner.

Equihash is ~300 sols for stock Rx 480 8GB and ~275 sols for stock Rx 470/570 in my experience.

Xevan is ~1.7 Mh/s for a stock Rx 480 8GB using SGMiner 5.6 (I'd have to double check the version)

Nist5 is ~23.5 Mh/s for a stock Rx 480 8GB using SGMiner

AMD is definitely lagging behind on Xevan and Nist5, but it's close enough that it may be worth mining a hot new coin before the difficulty rises etc...


Does anyone have another algorithm that AMD is at least semi competitive with?

[MagicSmoker]

A stock Rx 480 8GB does 30-34 Mh/s with the newer Lyra2v2 miner in my testing, Rx 470/570s do 22-26 Mh/s using the same miner. I'm not sure why the difference between different GPUs of the same series since I don't think the memory type matters for that algorithm. It's fairly competitive imo... higher avg hashrate then the GTX 1060 series at the cost of a little more power.

That's a massive improvement, then, making the RX 570 roughly comparable to a GTX 1060, based on my notes. Still nowhere close to the 50MH/s I get with a plain 1080 using one of the many ccminer forks (polytimos - pulled from NemosMiner so not sure of actual version, etc.).

The new Claymore Neoscrypt miner is pretty good too - if you increase the power limit you get quite high hashrate, but I prefer to leave the power at stock.... stock Rx 480 8GB does 860 kh/s (can be tweaked higher) and Rx 470/570 does around 740-750 at stock settings.  The good old Fury X does 1550-1600 kh/s at stock and 1190 kh/s at -50% power.... I don't have any Vega GPUs, but people report 2000 Kh/s with that new miner.

So, Claymore's Neoscrypt miner is maybe 3% faster than Gateless Gate, before subtracting out the devfee. I use his Ethash miner because it is by far the fastest and most stable, but try to use any miner besides his for the other algos because he's turning into the Bitmain of GPU mining software.

Does anyone have another algorithm that AMD is at least semi competitive with?

I'm willing to do testing of pretty much any algo if I there is both a miner and at least a Windows cli wallet available. All I have are 4x RX 560 on one rig and a single RX 570 on another, though.

[soothaa]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.



Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

Damn that is really tempting! $700 is just a bit to high for my numbers at the moment.. $600 would have me chomping at the bit...

[philipma1957]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.



Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

Damn that is really tempting! $700 is just a bit to high for my numbers at the moment.. $600 would have me chomping at the bit...

600 would be too good to be true.

700 does interest me.

I could order some at 700 but not 80 of them.

If we did a group buy  80 x 700 = 56000 usd.

any interest in doing a group buy?



@ Mfzbcoin
I won't be buying avalon since it won't have asicboost.

I get a dragon mint very soon. once I get it I will decide how many sha 256's to buy



Back to gpus

nvidia is going to sell  the p102-100 cheaper then the gaming gpus

thus pushing us miners to buy the mining gpus.

a 700 dollar  p102-100   vs a 900 dollar 1080ti

means buy the mining gpu.

This is going to cause an upheaval in the markets.

But I am only guessing.

[rs1x]

P102 eth performance from my factory source. $700 usd, but have to pre-order now and receive in early May.



Seems less efficient in terms of hash/watt compared to P104 which can do 37mh/s at 120w.

This is tempting, but I'm holding off expansion till end of GTC. Next gen just around the corner.

Damn that is really tempting! $700 is just a bit to high for my numbers at the moment.. $600 would have me chomping at the bit...

600 would be too good to be true.

700 does interest me.

I could order some at 700 but not 80 of them.

If we did a group buy  80 x 700 = 56000 usd.

any interest in doing a group buy?



@ Mfzbcoin
I won't be buying avalon since it won't have asicboost.

I get a dragon mint very soon. once I get it I will decide how many sha 256's to buy



Back to gpus

nvidia is going to sell  the p102-100 cheaper then the gaming gpus

thus pushing us miners to buy the mining gpus.

a 700 dollar  p102-100   vs a 900 dollar 1080ti

means buy the mining gpu.

This is going to cause an upheaval in the markets.

But I am only guessing.

i would be in for a group buy.  I would say I could most likely to commit to somewhere between 5-10 cards.  I'm a small timer.

[Elder III]

The new Claymore Neoscrypt miner is pretty good too - if you increase the power limit you get quite high hashrate, but I prefer to leave the power at stock.... stock Rx 480 8GB does 860 kh/s (can be tweaked higher) and Rx 470/570 does around 740-750 at stock settings.  The good old Fury X does 1550-1600 kh/s at stock and 1190 kh/s at -50% power.... I don't have any Vega GPUs, but people report 2000 Kh/s with that new miner.

So, Claymore's Neoscrypt miner is maybe 3% faster than Gateless Gate, before subtracting out the devfee. I use his Ethash miner because it is by far the fastest and most stable, but try to use any miner besides his for the other algos because he's turning into the Bitmain of GPU mining software.

I had previously only tested Claymore's Neoscrypt miner on a pair of personal desktops and got the above results.  Today I was setting up a few of my wife's business rigs and I got quite abit higher. The average hashrate across 6 Rx 480 8GB was 950 Kh/s and the average across 18 Rx 470/570 4Gb was 750 Kh/s - these were all at 100% stock settings with now -powlim adjustments and the -a 2 parameter.

[philipma1957]

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If we did a group buy  80 x 700 = 56000 usd.

any interest in doing a group buy?



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Back to gpus

nvidia is going to sell  the p102-100 cheaper then the gaming gpus

thus pushing us miners to buy the mining gpus.

a 700 dollar  p102-100   vs a 900 dollar 1080ti

means buy the mining gpu.

This is going to cause an upheaval in the markets.

But I am only guessing.

i would be in for a group buy.  I would say I could most likely to commit to somewhere between 5-10 cards.  I'm a small timer.
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I could do 5 maybe 10  depends on what buysolar wants to do.

[JaredKaragen]

i would love to try one of these cards at least at some point.   If a group buy goes through, and I have the ability to put it, it would be nice to be able to =)

looking at this baikal cryptonight asic coming out;  it makes sense...

It just starts with a keccack hash, and then a rather basic algorythm is done with ~2Mb of memory space.    I was thinking of working with my father to find an FPGA that would fit the bill for all of these operations.   The way its calculated, I can see how it would be such low power with an FPGA.

[d57heinz]

i would love to try one of these cards at least at some point.   If a group buy goes through, and I have the ability to put it, it would be nice to be able to =)

looking at this baikal cryptonight asic coming out;  it makes sense...

It just starts with a keccack hash, and then a rather basic algorythm is done with ~2Mb of memory space.    I was thinking of working with my father to find an FPGA that would fit the bill for all of these operations.   The way its calculated, I can see how it would be such low power with an FPGA.

With all the ASICS coming on scene how can one logically even think of buying a gpu?  This constant forking won’t happen forever.  ESP on a chain with any value(if one expects it to keep value).  Surely everyone in this thread realizes gpu mining is being rekt by the Chinese asic manufacturers.  Right?

BR

[citronick]

i would love to try one of these cards at least at some point.   If a group buy goes through, and I have the ability to put it, it would be nice to be able to =)

looking at this baikal cryptonight asic coming out;  it makes sense...

It just starts with a keccack hash, and then a rather basic algorythm is done with ~2Mb of memory space.    I was thinking of working with my father to find an FPGA that would fit the bill for all of these operations.   The way its calculated, I can see how it would be such low power with an FPGA.

With all the ASICS coming on scene how can one logically even think of buying a gpu?  This constant forking won’t happen forever.  ESP on a chain with any value(if one expects it to keep value).  Surely everyone in this thread realizes gpu mining is being rekt by the Chinese asic manufacturers.  Right?

BR

It will be interesting to see how easy this Baikal N miner can be firmware upgraded since its FPGA, when Monero March 2018 Hard Fork happens.

Monero Team has already stated that they will not hesitate to fork if ASIC players manufactures XMR/Cryptonote miners.

[Storx]

All this talk on ASIC's is really pissing me off, AaronSauce told me that a new ASIC labeled Antminer F3 has showed up on MiningPoolHub as a miner this week mining ETH @213MH/s....

Im worried there is going to be a mass exit on GPU farmers soon, just unsure whats the best way to go anymore...

[citronick]

All this talk on ASIC's is really pissing me off, AaronSauce told me that a new ASIC labeled Antminer F3 has showed up on MiningPoolHub as a miner this week mining ETH @213MH/s....

Im worried there is going to be a mass exit on GPU farmers soon, just unsure whats the best way to go anymore...

Baikal N specs.... 20KH/s at 60watts per unit

Currently, the fastest Monero GPU the Vega64 at 2k/s .....

You need 10 x Vega64 to match 1 Baikal N ....

Pointless to compare wattage - FPGA and ASICs will be efficient many folds hands down.

Given the above.... I dont think GPUs will be feasible for long term crypto mining.

[Storx]

All this talk on ASIC's is really pissing me off, AaronSauce told me that a new ASIC labeled Antminer F3 has showed up on MiningPoolHub as a miner this week mining ETH @213MH/s....

Im worried there is going to be a mass exit on GPU farmers soon, just unsure whats the best way to go anymore...

Baikal N specs.... 20KH/s at 60watts per unit

Currently, the fastest Monero GPU the Vega64 at 2k/s .....

You need 10 x Vega64 to match 1 Baikal N ....

Pointless to compare wattage - FPGA and ASICs will be efficient many folds hands down.

Given the above.... I dont think GPUs will be feasible for long term crypto mining.

I agree, just sucks because the profit is moving from the miners to the Chinese companies, because when i had 3 asic's years ago, when 2 of them broke it took months to get warranty repairs and i lost hundreds in the time it took to get them back.. so that is why ive been all for GPU's over Asics...

[lanciaominer]

now we can support china ban on mining 

[philipma1957]

All this talk on ASIC's is really pissing me off, AaronSauce told me that a new ASIC labeled Antminer F3 has showed up on MiningPoolHub as a miner this week mining ETH @213MH/s....

Im worried there is going to be a mass exit on GPU farmers soon, just unsure whats the best way to go anymore...

Baikal N specs.... 20KH/s at 60watts per unit

Currently, the fastest Monero GPU the Vega64 at 2k/s .....

You need 10 x Vega64 to match 1 Baikal N ....

Pointless to compare wattage - FPGA and ASICs will be efficient many folds hands down.

Given the above.... I dont think GPUs will be feasible for long term crypto mining.

I agree, just sucks because the profit is moving from the miners to the Chinese companies, because when i had 3 asic's years ago, when 2 of them broke it took months to get warranty repairs and i lost hundreds in the time it took to get them back.. so that is why ive been all for GPU's over Asics...

amd and nvidia  may not care since many moron miners  ran card at 110%  tdp and killed off cards  then sent in rmas.

This may have  hurt the industry  enough  to not guard against asic takeover.

I suspect a huge shakeup once asics  kill off the gpus.  and if a few al gore rhythm's are left

say equihash  p102-100 sold at 600-700  in big moq's  may be the only option worth buying.  this  saves nvidia from  lots of rma's  since it has short warranty.