all finished

[3rac3]

This is what USD refunds are looking like.. wow! Really?!   

They are shameless.

Just received a USD refund letter + check in response to my original full BTC payment refund request on Nov 10 and Jan 2:

https://i.imgur.com/BMRKKs5.jpg?1

For reference, my refund request is here

I did not fill out their USD refund & release form and did not request this. Getting so tired of these games.

The way I am reading this is they are at least capable of usd refund which is sort of good news.

[3rac3]

This is what USD refunds are looking like.. wow! Really?!   

They are shameless.

Just received a USD refund letter + check in response to my original full BTC payment refund request on Nov 10 and Jan 2:

https://i.imgur.com/BMRKKs5.jpg?1

For reference, my refund request is here

I did not fill out their USD refund & release form and did not request this. Getting so tired of these games.

The way I am reading this is they are at least capable of usd refund which is sort of good news.

Getting a USD refund has never been an issue at all- that has been readily available since the 31st- but I do not agree with that type of refund at all.

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

[forevernoob]

Just got this reply from Ray (lawyer):

Ray E. Gallo
10:45 AM (0 minutes ago)

to me

Yes.  We are taking these cases. They must be arbitrated individually under the consumer rules.  If you paid in BTC, have evidence of that, and timely cancelled your order and demanded a BTC refund in writing, we can help. Email me your contact information and order confirmations and we will send you a fee agreement.  We will work on contingency and take 40% or the fee award, whichever is greater.  We will try to recover your fees (and if so, we’ll take those instead of the 40%), but there is no clear basis so an award of fees is not likely.
 
Call me to discuss.
 
Ray
 

Hey this is great news right?
That means we still might get 100% back even if we go the lawyer route?
This reward he's talking about is that like extra cash HashFast has to pay for lying to us or how does that work?
I know you can sue people left and right in the US, but not familiar how these type of cases work.

[g83]

Just got this reply from Ray (lawyer):

Ray E. Gallo
10:45 AM (0 minutes ago)

to me

Yes.  We are taking these cases. They must be arbitrated individually under the consumer rules.  If you paid in BTC, have evidence of that, and timely cancelled your order and demanded a BTC refund in writing, we can help. Email me your contact information and order confirmations and we will send you a fee agreement.  We will work on contingency and take 40% or the fee award, whichever is greater.  We will try to recover your fees (and if so, we’ll take those instead of the 40%), but there is no clear basis so an award of fees is not likely.
 
Call me to discuss.
 
Ray
 

Hey this is great news right?
That means we still might get 100% back even if we go the lawyer route?
This reward he's talking about is that like extra cash HashFast has to pay for lying to us or how does that work?
I know you can sue people left and right in the US, but not familiar how these type of cases work.

what he said is that he will try. Hope that works fine for all of us... goo lawyer.. go.. and if you make us get back our btc post your adress for donations.

[AstralWonder]

This is what USD refunds are looking like.. wow! Really?!    

They are shameless.

Just received a USD refund letter + check in response to my original full BTC payment refund request on Nov 10 and Jan 2:

https://i.imgur.com/BMRKKs5.jpg?1

For reference, my refund request is here

I did not fill out their USD refund & release form and did not request this. Getting so tired of these games.

The way I am reading this is they are at least capable of usd refund which is sort of good news.

Getting a USD refund has never been an issue at all- that has been readily available since the 31st- but I do not agree with that type of refund at all.

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

There was no source to that claim- I think it was people just talking out of their *** - or doing scare tactics etc. But again, who knows?  

I'm glad Ray responded. At this point, it looks like we have no choice but to go with the lawyer route, since HashFast is forcing USD refunds on customers.

The chance of HF going bankrupt is rather low, since they still have quite the number of new customers pre-ordering their products. The lawyer also seems great. 40% is a small price to pay to win this, considering HF has also hired a lawyer and is clearly preparing for war against their customers in court.

I think we have a good chance of winning this case.

[floatyfish]

Any updates on the legal route?

[floatyfish]

Well at least the ball is rolling in one way or another.

[paulej]

Wow, I love that note from Hash Fast stating that merely cashing the check means you accept the terms and conditions of their refund.  They're doing their very best to avoid a full BTC refund.

[floatyfish]

Well at least the ball is rolling in one way or another.

Just heard back from Ray.

He advised to reply back stating, again, what I have been (I will not accept a check, I am requesting full BTC refund)- and I did so.

I'm gathering all the paperwork necessary now and will have that compiled/organized and sent to him/Marc (asst?) by end of day.

Just wondering, how many other group buys is he helping? Is he helping only us or us and a whole bunch of other people as well?

[stex2009]

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

If they file for bankruptcy, our money will be gone, legal method. Such a shame, it's so easy to scam people legally.

[3rac3]

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

If they file for bankruptcy, our money will be gone, legal method. Such a shame, it's so easy to scam people legally.

Lets just hope it doesn't happen. I believe there must be a reason for HashFast to be so willingly giving USD refunds. That reason in my opinion is that they do know that they have put themselves in the position in which ppl can actually ask for BTC refunds. Fingers crossed.

[beavertank]

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

If they file for bankruptcy, our money will be gone, legal method. Such a shame, it's so easy to scam people legally.

If they file for bankruptcy, it's entirely possible that the bankruptcy trustee would be able to demand back every miner they've sent so far and any cash refunds they've issued. We face no greater risk from their potential bankruptcy filing than we would if we just took the miner, or the USD refund.

[Ferr]

Any update Waldo? I saw messages that a lot of people has been already recieved their BJ

[piecinitup]

Any update Waldo? I saw messages that a lot of people has been already recieved their BJ

We aren't waiting for our Babyjets, we requested a refund and now are pursuing legal action for full refund in Bitcoin.

[czspeedycz]

And what will be with upgrade kits?

[tekke]

Ray now has all copies of Batch 1 orders/invoices along with the statement from Cara clearly stating a full BTC refund is in order if they do not ship.

Will post more updates when I hear back from Ray.

Thanks for the info

[Xeon]

Some updates from ray ?

[paulej]

Some updates from ray ?

Wow. The attorney just got the paperwork. Might as well sit back for a long wait.

[AstralWonder]

Some updates from ray ?

Wow. The attorney just got the paperwork. Might as well sit back for a long wait.

This certainly won't be as quick as things go in Suits! :p

[kukuku]

Thanks for the effort on this waldo.  Sorry this didn't work out how any of us expected, but do appreciate you carrying the load for the rest of us "investors."  Much appreciated.