Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here?

[BadBear]

I think it all went downhill when the mods seemed to defend BFL instead of slapping the scammer tag on them. then everyone guessed its because of the advertisement vested interest
[...]

We aren't the one sleeping in the bed, you guys are. We just change the sheets occasionally.

I take it you're not going to even bother answering the actual question there. The one being about BFL scammer tag and advertising revenue.

If so, this thread is pointless.

There was a question there? Looks like statements to me. 

Please don't act dense. You know perfectly well what I and the OP meant.

Let's do it this way then: "Will the moderators ban BFL from advertising at these forums? Will the moderators hand out SCAMMER tags to BFL employees/accounts?"

You do realize that mods can't actually do either one of those right? 

[frankenmint]

I think it all went downhill when the mods seemed to defend BFL instead of slapping the scammer tag on them. then everyone guessed its because of the advertisement vested interest
[...]

We aren't the one sleeping in the bed, you guys are. We just change the sheets occasionally.

I take it you're not going to even bother answering the actual question there. The one being about BFL scammer tag and advertising revenue.

If so, this thread is pointless.

There was a question there? Looks like statements to me. 

Please don't act dense. You know perfectly well what I and the OP meant.

Let's do it this way then: "Will the moderators ban BFL from advertising at these forums? Will the moderators hand out SCAMMER tags to BFL employees/accounts?"

You do realize that mods can't actually do either one of those right? 

.....why not?

[shapemaker]

I think it all went downhill when the mods seemed to defend BFL instead of slapping the scammer tag on them. then everyone guessed its because of the advertisement vested interest
[...]

We aren't the one sleeping in the bed, you guys are. We just change the sheets occasionally.

I take it you're not going to even bother answering the actual question there. The one being about BFL scammer tag and advertising revenue.

If so, this thread is pointless.

There was a question there? Looks like statements to me. 

Please don't act dense. You know perfectly well what I and the OP meant.

Let's do it this way then: "Will the moderators ban BFL from advertising at these forums? Will the moderators hand out SCAMMER tags to BFL employees/accounts?"

You do realize that mods can't actually do either one of those right? 

No, I don't realize that as I had no idea what rights the moderators have on this forum. So you're saying Theymos (the admin? are there more admins?) is the only person responsible for advertising and setting tags on people? Thank you for clearing that out. Now we know that you're not to blame for this mess with BFL.

So, I guess you're in a tough spot then. Looks like the forum administration likes money more than integrity. What a surprise...

[Raoul Duke]

So you're saying Theymos (the admin? are there more admins?) is the only person responsible for advertising and setting tags on people?

That's exactly what he's saying, and as far as I know that's no secret.
Yes, there are more admins. You don't need to ask, just check the members list ordered by Position.

[YipYip]

MODS cant do it......Ok that puts a different complexion on it all ....

Its strange...THIS fact is not widely known....3 months ago you argued with us tirelessy over why not to give them a tag etc  ...

It could have been defused instantly by this one statement ...

Oh wells .. at least it is just now 1 persons greed ...

[shapemaker]

So you're saying Theymos (the admin? are there more admins?) is the only person responsible for advertising and setting tags on people?

That's exactly what he's saying, and as far as I know that's no secret.
Yes, there are more admins. You don't need to ask, just check the members list ordered by Position.

Thanks again for the info you both provided. As I said, I had no idea that you couldn't do those things. Maybe the lack of that particular information has partly fanned the flames around here...

[creativex]

This is fairly common knowledge and is why so many threads are addressed directly to Theymos.

[BadBear]

This is fairly common knowledge and is why so many threads are addressed directly to Theymos.

This, I'm pretty sure most knew that already. If you guys want to waste your time with assumptions, well it's your time to waste. I don't make it a habit to waste my own time correcting it though.

[Bicknellski]

This is fairly common knowledge and is why so many threads are addressed directly to Theymos.

This, I'm pretty sure most knew that already. If you guys want to waste your time with assumptions, well it's your time to waste. I don't make it a habit to waste my own time correcting it though.

Nope didn't know... further don't care.

[shapemaker]

This is fairly common knowledge and is why so many threads are addressed directly to Theymos.

This, I'm pretty sure most knew that already. If you guys want to waste your time with assumptions, well it's your time to waste. I don't make it a habit to waste my own time correcting it though.

Well, seeing as you can't do a thing about the very reason there's so much "vendor hate" here on this forum, I fail to see the point in this thread then.

Start doing your job and moderate the excessive flaming I guess? Or leave the stuff be. Your choice. There's no easy solution since the administration clearly wants to take the money and keep promoting (a) fraudulent seller(s).

Whatever you choose, be consistent in your decision(s).

[2112]

For all who may have missed it: below is an example of how far from the reality are some of the readers/posters/wannabes on this forum.

No matter what single policy you may try to apply, there is always someone who will be offended. Or you may end up with a policy where the only allowed posts will be the variants of "fluffy bunnies are nice".

The 1st post was in the Newbie subforum:
Subject: making an asic miner

been reading through forums and was thinking of trying to make one.

seems like the hardest bit is getting the chips. avalon makes theirs from tsmc if im not mistaken. could we just order from tsmc?

The 2nd post was in the main Bitcoin Discussion forum, but was moved to Custom Hardware by the moderator:
Subject: Creating a Hashing chip?

i started this out in the newbies forum but i recently got out of there so i thought here would be a better place to post.

my factory has an assembly line for ic/ chips but we were doing mostly receivers, lnb/ satellite tv accessories. we grab parts from china and assemble in indonesia so we have all needed equipment to assemble. labor is cheap here and i already have an assembly line for this sort of thing. i thought might aswell make some asic miners for u all.

my problem is the chip design/ acquiring the chips.  anyone know a good chip designer and anyone know a rough estimate?

anyone here want to help me out or knows about this sorta thing?

[Stinky_Pete]

For all who may have missed it: below is an example of how far from the reality are some of the readers/posters/wannabes on this forum.

Yes, so other people may be ignorant or ill-informed, especially those in the newbie forums. That doesn't give anyone an excuse to insult them, or otherwise hurl abuse. Leave them in peace, or gently show them the error of their ways and point them to a useful source of fact and/or considered opinion.

[2112]

For all who may have missed it: below is an example of how far from the reality are some of the readers/posters/wannabes on this forum.

Yes, so other people may be ignorant or ill-informed, especially those in the newbie forums. That doesn't give anyone an excuse to insult them, or otherwise hurl abuse. Leave them in peace, or gently show them the error of their ways and point them to a useful source of fact and/or considered opinion.

I think you are very naive and idealistic.

Those who "hurl abuse" are mostly the good guys. In the past they probably also polite, but lost the patience with those who refuse to read any of the openly available information.

The "bad guys" will be first very polite and solictious and then simply rip them off when they acurately measure their weaknesses.

This is how capitalism works.

The way you propose is how some religions/sects operate.

[k9quaint]

For all who may have missed it: below is an example of how far from the reality are some of the readers/posters/wannabes on this forum.

Yes, so other people may be ignorant or ill-informed, especially those in the newbie forums. That doesn't give anyone an excuse to insult them, or otherwise hurl abuse. Leave them in peace, or gently show them the error of their ways and point them to a useful source of fact and/or considered opinion.

I think you are very naive and idealistic.

Those who "hurl abuse" are mostly the good guys. In the past they probably also polite, but lost the patience with those who refuse to read any of the openly available information.

The "bad guys" will be first very polite and solictious and then simply rip them off when they acurately measure their weaknesses.

This is how capitalism works.

The way you propose is how some religions/sects operate.

There is a key difference between that example and many I have seen on this forum. That poster is asking questions. Questions, no matter how naive are fine and generally result in answers, or at least the thread where they can find answers. There will also be some ribbing about use of google, etc.

The problems arise when someone fresh out of the newbie forums begins making pronouncements, like "28nm will never run SHA256!" or other nonsense. That sort of post receives  far more abuse.

[ProfMac]

The "bad guys" will be first very polite and solictious and then simply rip them off when they acurately measure their weaknesses.

This is how capitalism works.

Capitalism is the gathering of resources to accomplish a common purpose.  For example, people in a town may all chip in $500 to build and stock a dry goods store.
It may, or may not, have a separate profit motive.

Ripping people off is just psychopathic behavior, and it can occur in any economic system.

[Xian01]

Zerlan's rants, demeaning his customers, shows that kind of contempt.
Yifu's statements lately have had the same underpinnings.

Or maybe we just get tired of whiny, entitled little brats screaming and crying for attention.  I wonder which is more plausible.

 Yeah, going to have to say that we should allow to continue with various vendor hate around here until the vendors themselves start behaving in such a way that does not produce feelings of hate due to their own conduct.

 Chicken, egg, so on and so forth...

[bcp19]

Zerlan's rants, demeaning his customers, shows that kind of contempt.
Yifu's statements lately have had the same underpinnings.

Or maybe we just get tired of whiny, entitled little brats screaming and crying for attention.  I wonder which is more plausible.

 Yeah, going to have to say that we should allow to continue with various vendor hate around here until the vendors themselves start behaving in such a way that does not produce feelings of hate due to their own conduct.

 Chicken, egg, so on and so forth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

[Biomech]

For all who may have missed it: below is an example of how far from the reality are some of the readers/posters/wannabes on this forum.

Yes, so other people may be ignorant or ill-informed, especially those in the newbie forums. That doesn't give anyone an excuse to insult them, or otherwise hurl abuse. Leave them in peace, or gently show them the error of their ways and point them to a useful source of fact and/or considered opinion.

This. I am a newbie to bitcoin, been involved for a few months. When I first started posting here, a couple of people were extremely helpful, and a few were extremely abusive. I'm not in any way a newbie to fora, in fact they were called  electronic bulletin board services when I started with posting lo these several decades ago. As time passes, they seem to become less civil.

Heated discussion is one thing, newbie bashing is another. We all were a newbie at whatever it is we do at some point.

[creativex]

Zerlan's rants, demeaning his customers, shows that kind of contempt.
Yifu's statements lately have had the same underpinnings.

Or maybe we just get tired of whiny, entitled little brats screaming and crying for attention. I wonder which is more plausible.

 Yeah, going to have to say that we should allow to continue with various vendor hate around here until the vendors themselves start behaving in such a way that does not produce feelings of hate due to their own conduct.

 Chicken, egg, so on and so forth...

...and here's the same chicken(or egg) acknowledging through his actions that he still needs these forums to maintain his supply of fresh victims customers.

3 @ 7.75

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=284843.0;topicseen

I believe that bitcointalk.org administrators would gain instant respect by simply deleting or blocking that bid.

[Xian01]

...and here's the same chicken(or egg) acknowledging through his actions that he still needs these forums to maintain his supply of fresh victims customers.

3 @ 7.75

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=284843.0;topicseen
I believe that bitcointalk.org administrators would gain instant respect by simply deleting or blocking that bid.

 Won't happen until Theymos is removed as owner of these forums; not likely to happen any time soon.

 He's too busy playing Scrooge McDuck swimming in his piles of Bitcoins from all the advertising revenue Butterfly Labs has paid him. He's not going to kill his golden goose.

 Theymos is just as much of a problem as BFL, as far as these forums and community are concerned.