Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[jimmothy]

OleOle you can stop wasting your time. You're not even a good fudster.

Also good job BA for deleting literally pages of spam

[blackarrow]

thanks for getting rid of that clown phin.


now, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF TAPEOUT? WHAT HAPPENED TO A WEEKLY UPDATE?

Tapeout is on 20 Feb 2014.

Weekly update will be on Wednesday / Thursday when our new "press officer" arrives here.

[ernie-]

thanks for getting rid of that clown phin.


now, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF TAPEOUT? WHAT HAPPENED TO A WEEKLY UPDATE?

Tapeout is on 20 Feb 2014.

Weekly update will be on Wednesday / Thursday when our new "press officer" arrives here.

Fingers crossed.

[blackarrow]

as much as i hated that guy, i don't think all his post should had been deleted.

Maybe, but unfortunately we do not have time to read all his posts. We have work to do for all our paying customers, and have no time to waste with a random jobless individual who's not even our customer.

sadly i will be seeking a refund to because i now dont believe my x1s will roi due this mayor delay and mtgox going down.honestly you guys could had done a beter job handleing this.

We are selling hardware. We are not investment service.

[raskul]

thanks for getting rid of that clown phin.


now, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF TAPEOUT? WHAT HAPPENED TO A WEEKLY UPDATE?

Tapeout is on 20 Feb 2014.

Weekly update will be on Wednesday / Thursday when our new "press officer" arrives here.

Who was blackarrow matt? I thought he was supposed to deliver us updates? Will this new position actually be in the same building as the people working on the product?

one thing is for sure.. the new position will be PAYROLL using YOUR MONEY.
pffft. pre-order.

[ernie-]

Since you're here, why don't you provide us with an update. What progress has been made in the last week?

Last week was Chinese New Year, most of the company was off work.
Anyway, we have completed the pinout of the chip, made some progress on the case but has not been completed.

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Need an answer to this as well, blackarrow.

Ask minesource they are not black arrow, they are just resellers.

[ernie-]

 
This is where the official record seems to be, not that anything is ever official, it does matter here as the way bobsag will get money is if BA gives it to him to give to us. So I think this thread is very appropriate place to pose the question, which has been asked numerous times, not only by myself, and never answered with a definitive yes or no

You've got to be joking. Try http://ecointalk.net/forum/68-general-discussions/

[RickJamesBTC]

So posts keep getting deleted, that's great. You promised miners shipping in two weeks, then a week ago you tell all your customers that you decided your machines would be using too much power so you just went ahead with plans to make a more advanced machine months from now. How long have you known that this was the case? Obviously you didn't have anything close to ready a month ago, or two months ago. Now you are being shady with refunds, both here and on your own forums. When are you going to offer full refunds to customers you defrauded?

[d4rkbreaker]

So posts keep getting deleted, that's great. You promised miners shipping in two weeks, then a week ago you tell all your customers that you decided your machines would be using too much power so you just went ahead with plans to make a more advanced machine months from now. How long have you known that this was the case? Obviously you didn't have anything close to ready a month ago, or two months ago. Now you are being shady with refunds, both here and on your own forums. When are you going to offer full refunds to customers you defrauded?

I found this odd too, I recall seeing 120 pages of this thread. Somehow it is now 114 pages, those 6 pages could have contained important information necessary for customer refunding (assuming they are even considering such a request). I submitted my ticket to Black Arrow's main site 2 days ago and haven't heard back on my request for a refund.

[jimmothy]

So posts keep getting deleted, that's great. You promised miners shipping in two weeks, then a week ago you tell all your customers that you decided your machines would be using too much power so you just went ahead with plans to make a more advanced machine months from now. How long have you known that this was the case? Obviously you didn't have anything close to ready a month ago, or two months ago. Now you are being shady with refunds, both here and on your own forums. When are you going to offer full refunds to customers you defrauded?

I found this odd too, I recall seeing 120 pages of this thread. Somehow it is now 114 pages, those 6 pages could have contained important information necessary for customer refunding (assuming they are even considering such a request). I submitted my ticket to Black Arrow's main site 2 days ago and haven't heard back on my request for a refund.

No. literally all 5 or so pages were from one user spamming nonsense/fud/conspiracy theories.

[blackarrow]

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Minersource cannot issue refunds as they have paid us for your miners.

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin. Note that our margin is quite low as we have charged our customers $4000 on a miner while others have charged $16000 on the same hardware during the same period.

As we've announced, we've put the ASICs into production and they've been paid in full. Canceling the ASIC now is not possible as we will incur around 85 to 95% penalty so we're left in refunding only from our margin.

[raskul]

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Minersource cannot issue refunds as they have paid us for your miners.

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin. Note that our margin is quite low as we have charged our customers $4000 on a miner while others have charged $16000 on the same hardware during the same period.

As we've announced, we've put the ASICs into production and they've been paid in full. Canceling the ASIC now is not possible as we will incur around 85 to 95% penalty so we're left in refunding only from our margin.

WHICH CONTRAVENES THE LAW IN MANY COUNTRIES. I AM IN THE UK AND THE LAW STATES THAT IF I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PRODUCT AND WISH TO CANCEL, I CAN DO SO. ANY COMPANY REFUSING MY RIGHT TO REFUND IS ACTING AGAINST TRADING STANDARD LAWS.

[wmmail07]

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin.

When will payments for refunds?
1 week, 1 month or more?

Thanks for the answer!

[OleOle]

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Minersource cannot issue refunds as they have paid us for your miners.

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin. Note that our margin is quite low as we have charged our customers $4000 on a miner while others have charged $16000 on the same hardware during the same period.

As we've announced, we've put the ASICs into production and they've been paid in full. Canceling the ASIC now is not possible as we will incur around 85 to 95% penalty so we're left in refunding only from our margin.

WHICH CONTRAVENES THE LAW IN MANY COUNTRIES. I AM IN THE UK AND THE LAW STATES THAT IF I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PRODUCT AND WISH TO CANCEL, I CAN DO SO. ANY COMPANY REFUSING MY RIGHT TO REFUND IS ACTING AGAINST TRADING STANDARD LAWS.

May I suggest that customers in the UK and other jurisdictions where similar rules apply who have not received products and have been denied refunds, either by a refund being declined or a delay in reply resulting in a de facto denial of a refund, that they draw the matter to the attention of the trading standards authorities if they feel so inclined.

The other matter at hand here is if BA is unable to provide refunds to all the customers who ask for refunds, then it could also be in breach of corporations laws if it is deemed to be 'trading while insolvent' and the directors and company officers held personally liable.

A few prosecutions of bitcoin companies and individuals who think its fair game to rort the public would soon put an end to this borderline criminal activity known vicariously as 'pre-orders' in the bitcoin community.

[Stedsm]

thanks for getting rid of that clown phin.


now, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF TAPEOUT? WHAT HAPPENED TO A WEEKLY UPDATE?

Tapeout is on 20 Feb 2014.

Weekly update will be on Wednesday / Thursday when our new "press officer" arrives here.

So this would be another delay of 1 week? You said tapeout would be this week 10-15/Feb?

[wunch]

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Minersource cannot issue refunds as they have paid us for your miners.

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin. Note that our margin is quite low as we have charged our customers $4000 on a miner while others have charged $16000 on the same hardware during the same period.

As we've announced, we've put the ASICs into production and they've been paid in full. Canceling the ASIC now is not possible as we will incur around 85 to 95% penalty so we're left in refunding only from our margin.

WHICH CONTRAVENES THE LAW IN MANY COUNTRIES. I AM IN THE UK AND THE LAW STATES THAT IF I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PRODUCT AND WISH TO CANCEL, I CAN DO SO. ANY COMPANY REFUSING MY RIGHT TO REFUND IS ACTING AGAINST TRADING STANDARD LAWS.

Which only applies to UK companies and not ones based elsewhere

[quantguy]

So this would be another delay of 1 week? You said tapeout would be this week 10-15/Feb?

On Jan 30 Black Arrow said this:

We have now finalized the design process using our newly improved code and will start manufacturing the chip (tape out) in the next few days.

so next few days turned out to be 3 weeks, hence it doesnt matter, they can say just about anything.

[raskul]

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Minersource cannot issue refunds as they have paid us for your miners.

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin. Note that our margin is quite low as we have charged our customers $4000 on a miner while others have charged $16000 on the same hardware during the same period.

As we've announced, we've put the ASICs into production and they've been paid in full. Canceling the ASIC now is not possible as we will incur around 85 to 95% penalty so we're left in refunding only from our margin.

WHICH CONTRAVENES THE LAW IN MANY COUNTRIES. I AM IN THE UK AND THE LAW STATES THAT IF I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PRODUCT AND WISH TO CANCEL, I CAN DO SO. ANY COMPANY REFUSING MY RIGHT TO REFUND IS ACTING AGAINST TRADING STANDARD LAWS.

Which only applies to UK companies and not ones based elsewhere

they already broke Chinese law by taking pre-orders from individuals;

Foreign-Invested Enterprises (FIEs):
China permits only four types of FIEs -- equity joint ventures (EJVs), cooperative (contractual) joint ventures (CJVs), wholly foreign-owned enterprises (WFOEs), and foreign-invested joint stock companies. A complicated set of rules exempts selected FIEs from some Customs duties and VAT. Companies should consult the relevant regulations.

Customs Contact Information

Beijing:
General Administration of Customs
Foreign Affairs Division
6 Jianguomenwai DaJie
Tel: 86-10-6519-5263 or 6519-5246
Fax: 86-10-6519-5394
Website: http: // www.customs.gov.cn

regards,

R

[OleOle]

I remember post after post about how you guys would not be affected by the CNY, care to comment why "most of the staff" had off when you previously said it wouldn't affect you guys?

Also since a yes or no answer was never given, will minersource be giving refunds, yes or no?

Minersource cannot issue refunds as they have paid us for your miners.

We're currently making a list with the refund requests to see if we can refund from our margin. Note that our margin is quite low as we have charged our customers $4000 on a miner while others have charged $16000 on the same hardware during the same period.

As we've announced, we've put the ASICs into production and they've been paid in full. Canceling the ASIC now is not possible as we will incur around 85 to 95% penalty so we're left in refunding only from our margin.

WHICH CONTRAVENES THE LAW IN MANY COUNTRIES. I AM IN THE UK AND THE LAW STATES THAT IF I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PRODUCT AND WISH TO CANCEL, I CAN DO SO. ANY COMPANY REFUSING MY RIGHT TO REFUND IS ACTING AGAINST TRADING STANDARD LAWS.

Which only applies to UK companies and not ones based elsewhere

"Which only applies to UK companies and not ones based elsewhere"

Wrong - all companies selling goods and services in the UK are subject to UK law. UK law and consumers rights cannot be circumvented by the sole fact that a company may have a head office outside the UK. If you're doing business in the UK, you're subject to UK law.

[jimmothy]

I love it how only the fudsters who don't have an order with BA demanding refunds/screaming/crying.

This is like the whole bfl fiasco but with only a 2 month delay and no actual customers complaining.

And for those keeping record, the amount of people who successfully took legal action against bfl for delays on their preorder: zero.