Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[jimmothy]

Think he already has contact GF.

Nope! That's all Virisilicon correspondences, not GF.

Does it really matter though or are you just fishing for something to create fud?

Bitmine uses verisilicon/global foundries and are now shipping

Blackarrow has a confirmed contract with verisilicon. What more verification do we need that its not a scam?

I would think it would be counterintuitive to rake in several million usd in investments and proceed to spend a few million on tapeing out a chip so you can maybe convince a few more people to preorder before you run.

Why not just jump ship as soon as they had a few million in preorders?

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[RickJamesBTC]

Have these guys shipped yet? At least you can buy back the bitcoin you are going to lose on them DIRT CHEAP right now

[Syke]

WOW! That's 1 1/7 Fortnights™. Must be some really killer shit they're hashin' there in The Mile High City, speaking of a khanjar vortex.

If anyone has good hash, it's the Mile High City.

[bobsag3]

QUESTION TIME!!!!

Why has MinerSource not migrated over their server/uploaded pictures from the recent trip to meet with BA?

Since the X-3 will be 2 units, will each of them get a 1400 Watt power supply?  Will they be 2 completely separate units that can run independently of each other?  If the power draw on each one is really that high, most people will need to run these in separate rooms of their house or blow a fuse in the US.

Will there be a way to add extra after market cooling (more fans or higher powered fans) since now we need to run these in the summer (May) and not the winter time (March)? 

Will the X-1 and X-3 be quiet enough to run at home?  With that high amount of electricity pulled, I feel like the fans will have to be working pretty hard, and thus be pretty loud.  Are you still confident that the goal of making these quiet is attainable?

These are important questions, because if they are going to be loud, and I need more power than I can pull in my house, then I, as well as others I assume, need to start looking for a place to host our miners.

Because the database has been a gigantic pain in the ass. I have 2 programmers working on it, and if they dont have a solution by friday I will be making them do it by hand.

Each X3 will have a separate PSU
They come with a 1400w, but each unit will not be pulling 1400w from the wall. There should be little issue running the full X3 on a standard US 120V 15A, but I will be double checking that.

I am not sure about the extra cooling, but the stock included cooling should be more than good enough even for OC'ed (based on the revised cooling numbers from the new HS)

They should be fairly quiet (the X1 defiantly), how quiet I do not know yet. Shouldn't be nearly as loud as a B1 Avalon for example.

[bobsag3]

QUESTION TIME!!!!

Why has MinerSource not migrated over their server/uploaded pictures from the recent trip to meet with BA?

Since the X-3 will be 2 units, will each of them get a 1400 Watt power supply?  Will they be 2 completely separate units that can run independently of each other?  If the power draw on each one is really that high, most people will need to run these in separate rooms of their house or blow a fuse in the US.

Will there be a way to add extra after market cooling (more fans or higher powered fans) since now we need to run these in the summer (May) and not the winter time (March)? 

Will the X-1 and X-3 be quiet enough to run at home?  With that high amount of electricity pulled, I feel like the fans will have to be working pretty hard, and thus be pretty loud.  Are you still confident that the goal of making these quiet is attainable?

These are important questions, because if they are going to be loud, and I need more power than I can pull in my house, then I, as well as others I assume, need to start looking for a place to host our miners.

Because the database has been a gigantic pain in the ass. I have 2 programmers working on it, and if they dont have a solution by friday I will be making them do it by hand.

Each X3 will have a separate PSU
They come with a 1400w, but each unit will not be pulling 1400w from the wall. There should be little issue running the full X3 on a standard US 120V 15A, but I will be double checking that.

I am not sure about the extra cooling, but the stock included cooling should be more than good enough even for OC'ed (based on the revised cooling numbers from the new HS)

They should be fairly quiet (the X1 defiantly), how quiet I do not know yet. Shouldn't be nearly as loud as a B1 Avalon for example.

Thank you Bobsag for your due diligence and speed at answering my questions, it is greatly appreciated and allows me to continue to instill confidence that we will receive these units.

As we have said, we are rapidly trying to improve our CS, and customer input is crucial to that processes (As I have tried to inform BA).

I hope our new ticket system is working well, as well as our much faster and prompt responses via FB.

[bobsag3]

As we have said, we are rapidly trying to improve our CS, and customer input is crucial to that processes (As I have tried to inform BA).

I hope our new ticket system is working well, as well as our much faster and prompt responses via FB.

With two Matts taking care of support tickets and maintaining Black Arrow's Facebook page, all concerns should probably be addressed in a timely manner.

We will offer local pickups- but we are moving to a massive new facility in CO, so pickups will have to be from there .

ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.

Hi Everybody,

There's no referral program in place at the moment.

There will be an option for local pick-up.

I'm going to do my best to stay up to date with this thread. I'm also running the facebook page and answering tickets.

Also, to address Carlton Banks, there is no conspiracy to maximize profits. 90% of our team is focusing on the engineering side of things to make sure we get this ready for Feb 2014. Our customer service team is trying to keep up with orders and questions as well as we can.

Having said that, if anyone has emailed us and is still waiting for a reply, please PM me your question.

If you want to verify that I work for Black Arrow, please PM me and I will supply my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

Minersource facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/minersource
Blackarrow Facbook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178

[bobsag3]

As we have said, we are rapidly trying to improve our CS, and customer input is crucial to that processes (As I have tried to inform BA).

I hope our new ticket system is working well, as well as our much faster and prompt responses via FB.

With two Matts taking care of support tickets and maintaining Black Arrow's Facebook page, all concerns should probably be addressed in a timely manner.

We will offer local pickups- but we are moving to a massive new facility in CO, so pickups will have to be from there .

ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.

Hi Everybody,

There's no referral program in place at the moment.

There will be an option for local pick-up.

I'm going to do my best to stay up to date with this thread. I'm also running the facebook page and answering tickets.

Also, to address Carlton Banks, there is no conspiracy to maximize profits. 90% of our team is focusing on the engineering side of things to make sure we get this ready for Feb 2014. Our customer service team is trying to keep up with orders and questions as well as we can.

Having said that, if anyone has emailed us and is still waiting for a reply, please PM me your question.

If you want to verify that I work for Black Arrow, please PM me and I will supply my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

Minersource facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/minersource
Blackarrow Facbook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178

I'm definitely working on a status update. I'm the guy on facebook, in the ticket system, here, and on ecointalk. It's hard for me to keep up with all of these different places where people often times ask the same or similar questions.

I should have an update soon.

I will look into my PM's here too.

Color me (pun may or may not be intended) confused, but I clearly shown that you, Matt Carson, have assess to Black Arrow's support tickets, yet BlackArrow Matt states that he's the guy solely filling that role. If such wasn't the case, BA Matt would have clarified that position.

Are we both not aloud to have access to the tickets? I need to be able to see the tickets in their system that have to deal with Minersource, and that BA Matt needs assess to the tickets because he works for Black Arrow?

[ChuckBuck]

Freak.

Just when we get some updates from BA, PG hogs up the page again.

Thanks alot, spammer!

[Dallas5]

bobsag3, about the X1 pic on your site you might want to use the official pic of the X1 posted on BA's facebook page and not that Xbox like system might be misleading. Just use this one, which is probably closer to the actual product:

[drinkmorecoffee]

Just a quick note to say that I requested a refund of my two X1's from Minersource last week.  I heard back from Matt very quickly, and though he was not required to do so, he agreed to process the refund.  I got the deposit this morning.

I don't say this to encourage others to follow suit, you do what you want.  I just wanted to dispel some of the FUD surrounding Minersource.  I am not an insider, just a dude that ordered miners and can't handle BA's unexplained delays any longer.  Minersource was not at fault for that, and it's a shame that he had to deal with my case.  Even given that, he was gracious and prompt with my refund request.

I wanted to make it clear that, from my experience at least, Matt is hard at work taking care of us and should be applauded for it. 

Thanks, Matt.

That is all.

[Vexatious]

Just a quick note to say that I requested a refund of my two X1's from Minersource last week.  I heard back from Matt very quickly, and though he was not required to do so, he agreed to process the refund.  I got the deposit this morning.

I don't say this to encourage others to follow suit, you do what you want.  I just wanted to dispel some of the FUD surrounding Minersource.  I am not an insider, just a dude that ordered miners and can't handle BA's unexplained delays any longer.  Minersource was not at fault for that, and it's a shame that he had to deal with my case.  Even given that, he was gracious and prompt with my refund request.

I wanted to make it clear that, from my experience at least, Matt is hard at work taking care of us and should be applauded for it.  

Thanks, Matt.

That is all.

That is great for you. I asked for a refund weeks ago and still nothing but database excuses. So while you may have been looked after, it is not the case for all customers.

I wanted to make it clear that, from my experience at least, Matt is NOT hard at work taking care of us and should NOT be applauded for it.

How about you send me that refund now Matt?

That is all.

[TinkerTom]

Aaaaand, PG back on ignore. Every once in a while I have to peek, then my eyes start bleeding and I regret it.

Matt, I'm here in Colorado, just north of Denver and am a developer. PM if you want another set of eyes on the database.

I'd also like to arrange pickup once the machines come in.

[bobsag3]

Aaaaand, PG back on ignore. Every once in a while I have to peek, then my eyes start bleeding and I regret it.

Matt, I'm here in Colorado, just north of Denver and am a developer. PM if you want another set of eyes on the database.

I'd also like to arrange pickup once the machines come in.

PM'ed, and local pickup here wont be a problem. Have a guy coming to get a couple of S1s in a few.

[nexus99]

Aaaaand, PG back on ignore. Every once in a while I have to peek, then my eyes start bleeding and I regret it.

Matt, I'm here in Colorado, just north of Denver and am a developer. PM if you want another set of eyes on the database.

I'd also like to arrange pickup once the machines come in.

PM'ed, and local pickup here wont be a problem. Have a guy coming to get a couple of S1s in a few.

Im picking up a S1 tonight so I'll report back. I expect everything to be peachy. Ive got 600 GH on order with MS for BA too. And plan to preorder another 400 or so GH/S soon.

[CryptoGuy]

So PG, what are you going to bitch about when they do finally ship the units?

[Zillions]

Makes me wish I place my whole order with Minersource instead of BA directly before they made the 10min orders.

[fpgaminer]

From BA:
27/02/2014 - Production Update

Thank you for posting the update, goozman96.

0.75W/GHs will be about 1.17W/GHs at the wall (80% efficiency on the ASIC voltage regulators, and 80% on the PSU).  That's ~2300Watts for the X3, which is well over what a household circuit can muster.  Little hobbyists like myself are going to have to put half the X3 on one circuit, and half on another.   

[jimmothy]

From BA:
27/02/2014 - Production Update

Thank you for posting the update, goozman96.

0.75W/GHs will be about 1.17W/GHs at the wall (80% efficiency on the ASIC voltage regulators, and 80% on the PSU).  That's ~2300Watts for the X3, which is well over what a household circuit can muster.  Little hobbyists like myself are going to have to put half the X3 on one circuit, and half on another.   

I don't think you would have been able to put both rigs on a single circuit even if they had achieved the original 0.6w/gh. Still a bit disappointing although they were never going to be the most efficient miners to begin with. Asicminer 0.35w/gh is impossible to compete with.

[jimmothy]

That's gonna be a problem since they need to be next to a router to work, right? I'm trying to think how I can have the two machines near a router, but plugged into different circuits...

Long ethernet cables?

[fpgaminer]

I don't think you would have been able to put both rigs on a single circuit even if they had achieved the original 0.6w/gh.

0.6w/gh would allow 2TH to work off a normal (20Amp) household circuit safely.  So yeah, I suppose you could undervolt and do it, but that seems a waste.  I'd rather run off two circuits and overvolt.