[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

[zumzero]

Ignore this f****r breadcrumbs.  He's an obvious troll and is taking people for a ride.  He's trying too hard and thinks he's got everyone.  Sure, why not call yourself crumbs and prove that you can still fool people into believing you are not one of the ActM regulars?  Does it make you feel good and prove that you are betterer than everyone else?  Don't answer.

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[funkymunky]

You can't play chess with a pigeon, as they will just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and finally strut around like they won!

[minerpart]

You can't play chess with a pigeon, as they will just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and finally strut around like they won!

lol  

I think you might be right Zumzero+funky, he'll go along with 'I'm an investor' (where did he come from??) and then when we get good news he'll shit all over it just as shares are going live!

This pigeon wants cheap shares. Cheap cheap cheep. Maybe he's really a budgie.

[mainline]

So many pigeons...
AKA Another Happy Customer

Hello bitcoin miners!

I talked on this website about VMC and asked had anyone received a miner from VMC yet?
All said no, and also the fact that Kenneth Slaughter had not given his trusting prepaying customers updates
as to WHY we did not get the miners on time. I phoned and emailed until blue in the face, and then went to the forum
to see who else was not getting answerers! Kenneth who before getting my money would reply to emails and answer the phone.
Once he got the money I could not get him to reply to email or phone even after a month of trying.

BECAUSE I CONTACTED THE !!

Office of the Attorney General
Senior Advocate
Consumer Protection Division
P.O. Box 899|Jefferson City, MO  65102
E-Mail: Lesha.bommel@ago.mo.gov
Tel: (573)-751-8810 |Fax: (573) 751-7948

He then got the message loud and clear and got MAD and canceled my order with VMC!
I did not want that to happen but for him to reply to email and answer the phone !
I could not get him to talk to me so I went to  Attorney General, and that is why he canceled my order!!!
Kenneth that is no way to run a company, with people money that put blind faith in YOU....
Kenneth you should have told the people that the miners would be late and why!
You cant just have your family run the company!
MY experience in dealing with VMC would tell anyone JUST stay away from VMC they are not operating with the customers best interest at heart!!!

[minerpart]

This is the guy who got a full refund. Oh OK thanks for bringing that guy up again.
It's interesting that he could never get through to VMC on the phone for 'a month' but everyone else under the sun gets through no problem. mmmm

4Mill in orders and one disgruntled customer, that's good going by any standards!

[mainline]

This is the guy who got a full refund. Oh OK thanks for bringing that guy up again.

Fresh topic started today in Scam Accusations.
Just because you're up on all of Ken's scammings doesn't mean that some n00b with coin to spare won't want to see this.

&lol @ your "one disgruntled customer" edit.  One customer disgruntled enough to report Ken to the Attorney General

[minerpart]

Actually that guy has been spamming the same message since January 23rd. The identical same post, he's posted it in multiple threads. Looks like rather strange behaviour.

The only other two people I've seen mention a refund request got them processed with no problems.

I don't see any issue atall. If there was I would be the first to make a scene and everyone else on this thread would also make a scene because we expect this company to act professionally. And on all counts it has done so.

Every company gets complaints sent to consumer protection - that's business. More often than not it's due to irrational customers or customers who have not contacted the correct phone number/email address or misplaced letters etc etc. There is no-way this customer phoned VMC for a month and couldn't get through. Everyone else gets through first time including myself. And I don't have a special phone, it's just a regular one...with numbers on it.

[zumzero]

Does minerpart realise that everyone apart from him has crumbs on ignore and as a result, we are having to read an enormous minerpart monologue?

[iSnow]

Actually that guy has been spamming the same message since January 23rd. The identical same post, he's posted it in multiple threads.

Look minerpart, I know you mean well, but could you not like... let other people talk too?

You are completely hogging this thread as of late, and I believe in trying to defend ActM, you are actually doing a disservice. For once because some of your points really don't hold water, and also and even more important because trying to drown out everyone else makes a really bad impression.

Back when drawingthesun got his panties in a bunch constantly, we told him to take a walk now and then and stop posting excessively. I really think you should do the same, you are actually becoming part of the noise that detracts from signal here.

[minerpart]

Zumzero:

Yes that's why I'm not quoting him.

Potential new investors will read all posts and these semi-sensibly presented accusations of criminality need a brief reply. When it's so easy to rebut this non-sense it's no problem for me, so no thanks are required.

iSnow, I'm not stopping anyone from posting. Feel free to join in. By the way if you feel my posts have no value that's your right.

[zumzero]

I'd suggest that you are overlooking two things here;

1) Ken does a pretty good job of removing unwelcome posts for that very reason
2) Crumbs will ALWAYS respond to your replies to him.  If you always reply to him then we have a feedback loop which creates more content for 1)

EDIT:  You used to be to most vocal about not feeding the trolls to the point of raising your voice to people on occasion.

[mainline]

Actually that guy has been spamming the same message since January 23rd. The identical same post, he's posted it in multiple threads. Looks like rather strange behaviour.

The only other two people I've seen mention a refund request got them processed with no problems.

I don't see any issue atall. If there was I would be the first to make a scene and everyone else on this thread would also make a scene because we expect this company to act professionally. And on all counts it has done so.

Every company gets complaints sent to consumer protection - that's business. More often than not it's due to irrational customers or customers who have not contacted the correct phone number/email address or misplaced letters etc etc. There is no-way this customer phoned VMC for a month and couldn't get through. Everyone else gets through first time including myself. And I don't have a special phone, it's just a regular one...with numbers on it.

Why not drop by his Scam Accusations thread and rage at him?  I agree there's something fishy about the guy - would a normal d00d order from Ken in the first place?

[iSnow]

iSnow, I'm not stopping anyone from posting.

You are muting everyone else with noise. Joining in does not help at all, it just makes the problem worse. The few quality posts get lost among fluff and the same questions get asked again and again because no one scans 480+ pages for answers.

Arguing with trolls makes things even worse even faster (http://www.howtoarguewithanidiot.com/). And because you swallow every bait hook, line, and sinker and reply, you pretty much keep crumbs et al. here. You actually lower the quality of this thread by proxy.

I implore you to stop defending Ken. Let his actions speak, everything else just helps damage this company.

[zumzero]

For what it's worth I think there is a lot of truth in iSnow's comments.  Listening to people who are on your side is no bad thing.

[minerpart]

You used to be to most vocal about not feeding the trolls to the point of raising your voice to people on occasion.

Yes and I agree with that which is why I don't talk about cats unlike yourself. I just tackle directly the points that are being made with short rebuttals containing facts. If no serious point needs cleared up I don't respond.

When an apparently genuine accusation of a scam is made you can't just delete that post, it needs to be examined. Spam should be deleted but what looks like genuine complaints should not be deleted because new investors will see that as a red-flag. We need to be open and honest and if you want the wider community to take ACtM seriously you need to layout the facts and keep banging them home.

[zumzero]

Just give it some thought and do the right thing.

Edit:  up to Panel 2 Day 1 so far.  Charles Lee is explaining Colored Coins to the NYDFS.  They seem very responsive and positive overall...

[finlof]

You used to be to most vocal about not feeding the trolls to the point of raising your voice to people on occasion.

Yes and I agree with that which is why I don't talk about cats unlike yourself. I just tackle directly the points that are being made with short rebuttals containing facts. If no serious point needs cleared up I don't respond.

When an apparently genuine accusation of a scam is made you can't just delete that post, it needs to be examined. Spam should be deleted but what looks like genuine complaints should not be deleted because new investors will see that as a red-flag. We need to be open and honest and if you want the wider community to take ACtM seriously you need to layout the facts and keep banging them home.

most important point you make bolded above.  this also means dont speculate on BTC over $5000, dont take a $40,000,000 projected sales figure as truth just because someone said it, etc etc etc.  you have hitched your ride to this wagon that we've all been waiting for the engine to be dropped in for close to a year now.  take a step back and see the big picture.  Avalon reported a total sales of 6 PH of their chips (110nm and 55nm combined) as of 1/15/14.  that's 1/3 of total global hash rate.  and they reported they arent slowing down because the demand is still so high.  they have reported release of their new 3rd gen chips soon, with the next 4th gen project in development.  they have all the info needed for mounting chips readily available.  THIS is what we need to be pushing Ken to do, if the chips are ever to be a success.  we need to know that he has thought this project through this far.  that if/when the chips are ready he doesnt end up with a bunch of chips and no plan to get rid of them en mass.

[zumzero]

http://www.totalwebcasting.com/view/?id=nysdfs

[minerpart]

take a step back and see the big picture.  

Over the past two days I've raised some detailed points about KnC's 20nm Neptune offering, UMC (which no-one has mentioned), the differences between our 55nm and our 28nm product (also largely ignored), the fair pricing of our stock using a Dividend Yield formula, the Ukyo share issue, global foundry capacity (20nm vrs larger die sizes), problems with 20nm and non-scaleable components, the addition of the 55nm chip to our portfolio at no cost, Friedcats 40nm chip project.

If that isn't seeing the bigger picture then what is? Who else is asking these questions or making these points on here? I think if you have been reading over the past two days you would be vastly more informed about our place in the market and potential than if you read all of last weeks pages and that is due in some part to my postings. Maybe I'm delusional, it sure seems no-one thinks I'm doing anything worthwhile so I'll give it up. Good luck with your investment.

[zumzero]

Personally I have got a lot from your contributions and am happy for them to continue.  I would caution you from getting drawn in by the trolls that's all.