Baikal Giant N - Cryptonight, Cryptonight-lite FPGA/ASIC miner

[xs.over]

Weird, I'm looking at the global Cryptonight hashrate and don't see any big changes in difficulty. Thought that we would see a massive spike in difficulty.
https://www.cryptunit.com/global

You are looking at the wrong period. Hashrate had already spiked before this chart.


Instead see this, https://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/monero-network-hashrate-chart, drag the bar at the bottom all the way to the left and you will see that it was 290 MH/s in Dec and spiked to 1000 MH/s by first week of Feb. 3x in three months.

Edit: Actually more than 3x in less than 2 months.

Yeah, ASIC manufacturers has mined cryptonight with their ASICs at least since January

[1713962896]

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[senseless]

Did anyone order N+?

Hmmm the Baikal N+ cost now 2499usd and have an hasing power of 80 KH/s and using 120W . The Halongen X2 costs 3000usd and and 248 KH/s and using 490W.

The Baikal N+ to be price competitive should cost not more than 970usd (just comparing the power hash rate and doing some easy calculations) without even considering the much better power efficency of the Halongen. Also some people are already receiving some Halongen miners and shipping with halongen seems to be VERY fast. I am not promoting this or the other company. I am just reporting some experiences and my experience. Dealing with Baikal directly is a pain in the butt. Dealing with Richard at Halongen is super easy and smooth.

Also even if you order the Baikal N that is "in stock" it will take anyway not less than 15 days to arrive. AT LEAST. They are slow as hell at shipping.

Also, Asicminermarket is the only company having the new Baikal N+ as far as I can see. So OR they are very "tight" with Baikal or they know how to mod the firmware. I would opt for the 1st option.

Baikal started the right way with "right" prices but then they went in the wrong direction increasing the prices like crazy. A ROI of 4/5 months nowdays is too dagenrous to be kept in consideration.

I am glad that some people see how bad company BECAME BAIKAL.
They just want your money ! They don't care if you will ROI or if the next day the miner will be doorstop.

Duh, they're all that bad. Turns out Baikal has been mining on these things since at least December. First they take the profit out, then they sell you the scraps at rates that will never pay for themselves.

It's pretty simple, why would anyone EVER sell a machine that prints money? There is only one reason.... If they could make more money by selling the money printing machine than the amount of money that the money printing machine could produce. Stop wasting your money.

[Wananavu99]

Weird, I'm looking at the global Cryptonight hashrate and don't see any big changes in difficulty. Thought that we would see a massive spike in difficulty.
https://www.cryptunit.com/global

Go back further and see how the difficulty has sky rocketed.  It's insanity, I'm grateful for the XMR update in 3 days.  At least my AMD rig which is solely dedicated to XMR will start earning me muchos dineros again.....

[smoolae]

Weird, I'm looking at the global Cryptonight hashrate and don't see any big changes in difficulty. Thought that we would see a massive spike in difficulty.
https://www.cryptunit.com/global

Go back further and see how the difficulty has sky rocketed.  It's insanity, I'm grateful for the XMR update in 3 days.  At least my AMD rig which is solely dedicated to XMR will start earning me muchos dineros again.....

Ok, thanks for clearing this up! Should have used my own brain in the first place and zoomed a bit out

[oomurashin]

here is monero classic!!!!!!!
http://monero-classic.org/  ASICfrendly

[Mattthev]

here is monero classic!!!!!!!
http://monero-classic.org/  ASICfrendly

Oh Well, will see if Bitmain release ASIC with V7 or this classic algo

[m5]

here is monero classic!!!!!!!
http://monero-classic.org/  ASICfrendly

Their github repository is just clone of monero from Oct 2017 without any commits since then. And was created just yesterday. I doubt they will manage to spread the "XMC" to people and pools in 2 days without any software ready. But maybe they want to mine privately first...

[agapes]

Anyone know about Baikal Giant-N Plus??
with 80Kh cryptonight??
is that overclocked by factory or firmware updated??
https://asicminermarket.com/product/baikal-giant-n-plus-miner/

[Wananavu99]

bitmain is throwing a hissy fit...haha...oh well, I wonder if it's going to have any traction.  XMR has a very vibrant community, not sure if bitmain can pull its weight with "monero classic"..  

Edit:  Basically a war of sorts has started between the big centralized Asic manufacturers and the communities of those coins.  With XMR updating and some Cryptonight coins also updating I'm now wondering about Etash with ETH, ETC etc.  Also Equihash, time to pay more attention to the difficulties on these networks.  When they suddenly increase, it should give us an idea that one of the manufacturers is probably mining with Asics. 

[stash2coin]

Monero community could be vibrant, but good question is why the monero devs didnt increased the scratchpad size from the current size (2Mb), fpga miners are not affected by this fork

[Turkish88]

what is the fpga miners ?
I am wait monero's fork because after this, all virus miners switch's off and we see how many computers was infected

[m5]

Monero community could be vibrant, but good question is why the monero devs didnt increased the scratchpad size from the current size (2Mb), fpga miners are not affected by this fork

Because that would significantly hurt CPU miners.

[Wananavu99]

Monero community could be vibrant, but good question is why the monero devs didnt increased the scratchpad size from the current size (2Mb), fpga miners are not affected by this fork

I talked to another cryptonight coin developer about fpga, he said that it's cost prohibitive due to memory restrictions.  So there goes fpga out the door, cause I was thinking fpga too. 

[Grumo]

how to set the correct diff to mine?

[Mattthev]

how to set the correct diff to mine?

Static diff? Well you can't put it in the wallet address so you probably can't.

[whitefire990]

Monero community could be vibrant, but good question is why the monero devs didnt increased the scratchpad size from the current size (2Mb), fpga miners are not affected by this fork

I talked to another cryptonight coin developer about fpga, he said that it's cost prohibitive due to memory restrictions.  So there goes fpga out the door, cause I was thinking fpga too. 

I'm developing many algorithms for the Virtex Ultrascale+ VU9P on the VCU1525 board and this FPGA has 47MB of internal SRAM, enough for 22 instances of Cryptonight V7.  Your developer friend is gravely mistaken.
Having said that, Cryptonight V7 is not the most profitable algorithm for FPGA's at the moment, but high end FPGA's always beat GPU's, and ROI for the high end FPGA's are around 50-110 days vs. years for GPU's.
I will be releasing my bitstreams (to the public) soon, my current plan is to release them for free with a 4% mining fee.  And you would need to buy your own FPGA boards from Avnet/Digikey/Xilinx/Digilent/Hitechglobal/Bittware, etc...

[ruplikminer]

Monero community could be vibrant, but good question is why the monero devs didnt increased the scratchpad size from the current size (2Mb), fpga miners are not affected by this fork

I talked to another cryptonight coin developer about fpga, he said that it's cost prohibitive due to memory restrictions.  So there goes fpga out the door, cause I was thinking fpga too. 

I'm developing many algorithms for the Virtex Ultrascale+ VU9P on the VCU1525 board and this FPGA has 47MB of internal SRAM, enough for 22 instances of Cryptonight V7.  Your developer friend is gravely mistaken.
Having said that, Cryptonight V7 is not the most profitable algorithm for FPGA's at the moment, but high end FPGA's always beat GPU's, and ROI for the high end FPGA's are around 50-110 days vs. years for GPU's.
I will be releasing my bitstreams (to the public) soon, my current plan is to release them for free with a 4% mining fee.  And you would need to buy your own FPGA boards from Avnet/Digikey/Xilinx/Digilent/Hitechglobal/Bittware, etc...

Amazing. Can't wait for that. Do you have an estimated date?

[whitefire990]

Monero community could be vibrant, but good question is why the monero devs didnt increased the scratchpad size from the current size (2Mb), fpga miners are not affected by this fork

I talked to another cryptonight coin developer about fpga, he said that it's cost prohibitive due to memory restrictions.  So there goes fpga out the door, cause I was thinking fpga too. 

I'm developing many algorithms for the Virtex Ultrascale+ VU9P on the VCU1525 board and this FPGA has 47MB of internal SRAM, enough for 22 instances of Cryptonight V7.  Your developer friend is gravely mistaken.
Having said that, Cryptonight V7 is not the most profitable algorithm for FPGA's at the moment, but high end FPGA's always beat GPU's, and ROI for the high end FPGA's are around 50-110 days vs. years for GPU's.
I will be releasing my bitstreams (to the public) soon, my current plan is to release them for free with a 4% mining fee.  And you would need to buy your own FPGA boards from Avnet/Digikey/Xilinx/Digilent/Hitechglobal/Bittware, etc...

Amazing. Can't wait for that. Do you have an estimated date?

First public-ready algorithms should be done around mid to late June.  However I am hesitant to 'release' the bitstreams unless numerous algorithms are available.  I wouldn't want someone to invest $10K in hardware with only 1 or 2 algorithms in case those coins profit or ROI suddenly changes.  A good investment would be to have 4-5 algorithms available, making the hardware more secure against market changes.
Anyway, once people start mining with PC's linked to numerous high end FPGA cards, they will be 'immune' to forks since the algorithms in the FPGA's can be changed as fast as developers can fork their coin, actually faster in most cases since even a poorly tested rig can still mine, whereas a coin cannot fork until the new setup is heavily tested.

[Gongolo]

First public-ready algorithms should be done around mid to late June.  However I am hesitant to 'release' the bitstreams unless numerous algorithms are available.  I wouldn't want someone to invest $10K in hardware with only 1 or 2 algorithms in case those coins profit or ROI suddenly changes.  A good investment would be to have 4-5 algorithms available, making the hardware more secure against market changes.
Anyway, once people start mining with PC's linked to numerous high end FPGA cards, they will be 'immune' to forks since the algorithms in the FPGA's can be changed as fast as developers can fork their coin, actually faster in most cases since even a poorly tested rig can still mine, whereas a coin cannot fork until the new setup is heavily tested.

I think you should open you own thread when ready, this topic will be of great interest.

[Wananavu99]

I'm developing many algorithms for the Virtex Ultrascale+ VU9P on the VCU1525 board and this FPGA has 47MB of internal SRAM, enough for 22 instances of Cryptonight V7.  Your developer friend is gravely mistaken.
Having said that, Cryptonight V7 is not the most profitable algorithm for FPGA's at the moment, but high end FPGA's always beat GPU's, and ROI for the high end FPGA's are around 50-110 days vs. years for GPU's.
I will be releasing my bitstreams (to the public) soon, my current plan is to release them for free with a 4% mining fee.  And you would need to buy your own FPGA boards from Avnet/Digikey/Xilinx/Digilent/Hitechglobal/Bittware, etc...

Thanks for the heads up brother,

Cheers