BitShares PTS (formerly ProtoShares) Mandatory Upgrade & Snapshot Announcement

[bitdraw]

i have already recieved 2 payments so far, so must be working. it does feel crappy to look at all those reject % tho

yeh already got like 7 payouts, it clearly works

[hiddenvalleyranch]

i have already recieved 2 payments so far, so must be working. it does feel crappy to look at all those reject % tho

yeh already got like 7 payouts, it clearly works

How long until you got your first payout?

[barwizi]

[MASTER] share target:0fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ffffff
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 17:59:53 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 2 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
Found Hash 00563cacadacc5f1f1a903fed8517053b62c0e966c4976244f3519123c62f929
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 17:59:58 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 3 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
[MASTER] work received
[MASTER] network target:0003ffc0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000
[MASTER] share target:0fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ffffff
Found Hash 0afd063d207d91a9552693604d251cb2871f9c71ca015c15c1eaf703a5c50532
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 18:00:19 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 4 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
Found Hash 0bdcf7dd0cdafa13364b7aa0062862de8604d6821370346a053f68ac73012639
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 18:00:21 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 5 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)

[bitdraw]

i have already recieved 2 payments so far, so must be working. it does feel crappy to look at all those reject % tho

yeh already got like 7 payouts, it clearly works

How long until you got your first payout?

hm.. dont remember rly. but less than half an hour i think.

Reject Rate also decreased over time. im on 35% rejects now

[Mowcore]

does your earnings page update frequently?

[bitdraw]

does your earnings page update frequently?

yeh its quite up to date

[digitalindustry]

[MASTER] share target:0fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ffffff
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 17:59:53 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 2 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
Found Hash 00563cacadacc5f1f1a903fed8517053b62c0e966c4976244f3519123c62f929
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 17:59:58 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 3 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
[MASTER] work received
[MASTER] network target:0003ffc0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000
[MASTER] share target:0fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ffffff
Found Hash 0afd063d207d91a9552693604d251cb2871f9c71ca015c15c1eaf703a5c50532
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 18:00:19 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 4 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
Found Hash 0bdcf7dd0cdafa13364b7aa0062862de8604d6821370346a053f68ac73012639
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 18:00:21 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 5 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)

Now how many other forums on the Internets can that post,  and no other language say so much ?

[bitdraw]

[MASTER] share target:0fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ffffff
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 17:59:53 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 2 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
Found Hash 00563cacadacc5f1f1a903fed8517053b62c0e966c4976244f3519123c62f929
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 17:59:58 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 3 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
[MASTER] work received
[MASTER] network target:0003ffc0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000
[MASTER] share target:0fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ffffff
Found Hash 0afd063d207d91a9552693604d251cb2871f9c71ca015c15c1eaf703a5c50532
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 18:00:19 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 4 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
Found Hash 0bdcf7dd0cdafa13364b7aa0062862de8604d6821370346a053f68ac73012639
[MASTER] submitted share -> REJECTED
[STATS] 2013-11-08 18:00:21 | hashmeter 0.000000 khash/s
VL: 0 (0.0%), RJ: 5 (100.0%), ST: 0 (0.0%)

Now how many other forums on the Internets can that post,  and no other language say so much ?

its funny how you look at a huge wall of numbers and text, and only extract the "REJECTED" and know exactly whats going on

[l3jmr]

it kinda pops out

[RyZombie]

25 REJECTED shares in the pool, on linux, running for 15mins....

[Snard]

Does the pool pay immediately on new block? Or on a scheduled basis. I have been mining in the pool for over an hour and have not been sent any payments.

[jae480]

Does anybody know why the Protocoin wallet says "no block source available?"
How do I fix this? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

[bytemaster]

...........
I am open to discussion, questions, and refutations

Anony

When you put it that way it makes me think , " but how could they get it so wrong" ?

The final verification is implementation,  the "DAC" community of mpow, will want you to implement.

In fact, according to the principals of  DAC you are both helping and hurting protoshares...

You are helping with open discussion,  but hurting by stating that its vulnerable but NOT moving to implement it, thus the DAC community may believe that others have behind the scenes.

So look at the DAC as a processor you have opened a "mpow is vulnerable" thread but it hasn't been resolved yet , and eventually it will effect efficency, though confidence.  

So a result is needed.

AnonyMint,   I am glad to see that you put together a very sound argument and I can confirm that hyper threading does double performance.  GPUs are basically massively hyper-threaded.   

So we have a situation where a GPU is the most effective way to hit the memory bandwidth limitation and to get the highest memory bandwidth.  I am OK with that because most integrated graphics these days can support Open CL as well which means that a CPU with integrated graphics can apply the same type of optimization and thus hit the memory bandwidth.    So now you are telling me that a GPU has 2x the memory bandwidth.  A factor of 2x on the GPU is insignificant.

Call me crazy, but I think you just confirmed that memory bandwidth is the bottleneck (the goal) and that a GPU can most effectively reach that... fine.   The proof of work is still very memory intensive and adding additional computational power once you hit your memory bandwidth does not help.   

It will be fun to see where this all goes.

digitalindustry,  you are right that this DAC will cause the community to develop these algorithms and either break or prove the proof of work.  This is a large part of why I released ProtoShares because it is a proto-type for the proof-of-work and we have all learned a great deal by this experience.  Future DACs will be stronger for it.

[refer_2_me]

Does anybody know why the Protocoin wallet says "no block source available?"
How do I fix this? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

You aren't connected to the network. Go to the first post of this thread and add the nodes there.

[AnonyMint]

...........
I am open to discussion, questions, and refutations

Anony

When you put it that way it makes me think , " but how could they get it so wrong" ?

The final verification is implementation,  the "DAC" community of mpow, will want you to implement.

In fact, according to the principals of  DAC you are both helping and hurting protoshares...

You are helping with open discussion,  but hurting by stating that its vulnerable but NOT moving to implement it, thus the DAC community may believe that others have behind the scenes.

So look at the DAC as a processor you have opened a "mpow is vulnerable" thread but it hasn't been resolved yet , and eventually it will effect efficency, though confidence.  

So a result is needed.

AnonyMint,   I am glad to see that you put together a very sound argument and I can confirm that hyper threading does double performance.  GPUs are basically massively hyper-threaded.

Nice to get this tone from you. You mentioned you've been sick, and I am sure you are overworked.

So we have a situation where a GPU is the most effective way to hit the memory bandwidth limitation and to get the highest memory bandwidth.  I am OK with that because most integrated graphics these days can support Open CL as well which means that a CPU with integrated graphics can apply the same type of optimization and thus hit the memory bandwidth.

AGPUs (i.e. integrated with CPU) have even worse memory latency and bandwidth than the CPU.

So now you are telling me that a GPU has 2x the memory bandwidth.  A factor of 2x on the GPU is insignificant.

10x. 260 GB per sec on HD7970 versus 20 GB per sec on i7 Haswell, Ivy Bridge, and Sandy Bridge. The E variants go up to 40 GB per sec. But you will never even reach even that 10x because you don't have enough threads and you aren't grabbing 128 or 256 bytes per access with SIMD instructions. Probably closer to 100x and at least 10x, but someone would need to implement. And the AGPU which has more threads is bottlenecked to memory, although this might improve in the unification towards GPGPU.

For a CPU-only coin, I would want GPUs to be worse than CPUs, not just only somewhat faster than CPUs as is the case for Litecoin.

It will be fun to see where this all goes.

digitalindustry,  you are right that this DAC will cause the community to develop these algorithms and either break or prove the proof of work.  This is a large part of why I released ProtoShares because it is a proto-type for the proof-of-work and we have all learned a great deal by this experience.  Future DACs will be stronger for it.

Ok that is fine. Good to get this sort of attitude and response. Thanks.

[rwessels]

This is my question too.  I have been mining on the pool for over three hours and still show no earnings.  My reject rate is still over 98%.  I think I only have about 10-12 accepted for 40 physical cores over three hours.

Does the pool pay immediately on new block? Or on a scheduled basis. I have been mining in the pool for over an hour and have not been sent any payments.

[alexxy]

You didnt count that GPU has local thread memory and global memory that need different number of cycles to access. Same as for NUMA CPU systems

[AnonyMint]

You didnt count that GPU has local thread memory and global memory that need different number of cycles to access. Same as for NUMA CPU systems

Who didn't? Myself or bytemaster?

The limiting factor here is main memory. The local thread memory is only large enough for computations not the lookups, e.g. the SHA256.

[jae480]

Does anybody know why the Protocoin wallet says "no block source available?"
How do I fix this? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

You aren't connected to the network. Go to the first post of this thread and add the nodes there.

How do I add the nodes? So I go to Help> Debug window >console   and then add the nodes one by one?
It is working now for some reason. I didn't add any nodes or anything but I'm connected to peers now.

[brekyrself]

Any chance of an x64 windows qt client with built in mining pool support?  This would help spread mining support to the masses who do not have the knowledge of signing up for a pool and running a stand alone mining client...