Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela

[robbylove]

the state in Venezuela is the state that every socialist/communist countries end up in. I'm not reading western mainstream media, but that doesn't change the fact that every socialist/communist country ends up just as Venezuela is now.

But that doesn't take away the fact that the Venezuelans voted for the Socialist Party. Before Chavez became the president there, more than 70% of the Venezuelans lived in poverty. Chavez reduced it to around 30%. So obviously, a large part of the population benefited from socialism, at least initially during the regime of Hugo Chavez.

But that doesn't take away the fact that Socialism ends up in bloodshed when the money runs out. It never fails.

"Hey! Hold on! this is not really Socialism, not TRUE Socialism in Venezuela anyway. But but.. Next time... Yeah... Next time" Someone saying this never fails either.

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[Vishnu.Reang]

Venezuela is a lesson to all the major oil producing nations. They thought that the crude oil prices will stay at $100 - $120 per barrel levels forever. So unlike Russia and Saudi Arabia, they never bothered to set up any sovereign wealth funds. Now they are suffering as a result of their bad decisions in the past.

[Elwar]

the state in Venezuela is the state that every socialist/communist countries end up in. I'm not reading western mainstream media, but that doesn't change the fact that every socialist/communist country ends up just as Venezuela is now.

But that doesn't take away the fact that the Venezuelans voted for the Socialist Party. Before Chavez became the president there, more than 70% of the Venezuelans lived in poverty. Chavez reduced it to around 30%. So obviously, a large part of the population benefited from socialism, at least initially during the regime of Hugo Chavez.

The initial euphoria for the poor after killing capitalism and moving to socialism is akin to a zombie apocalypse. Suddenly, even the poorest person can go out and get any car they can get their hands on, they can go to any grocery store and get as much food as they want, they can go live in a mansion. They are now "rich". Oh, and by the way...there is no more gas being produced, food will be scarce and nothing new is being created. But hey...free stuff!

[Lieldoryn]

It is not the transition from capitalism to socialism. What you describe is plain banditry. Never in Venezuela, capitalism was not. The poor are uneducated criminals can hijack the enterprise, but to manage them they can't. This will lead to the collapse of the economy. What we now see.

[Venezuelan]

the state in Venezuela is the state that every socialist/communist countries end up in. I'm not reading western mainstream media, but that doesn't change the fact that every socialist/communist country ends up just as Venezuela is now.

But that doesn't take away the fact that the Venezuelans voted for the Socialist Party. Before Chavez became the president there, more than 70% of the Venezuelans lived in poverty. Chavez reduced it to around 30%. So obviously, a large part of the population benefited from socialism, at least initially during the regime of Hugo Chavez.

The initial euphoria for the poor after killing capitalism and moving to socialism is akin to a zombie apocalypse. Suddenly, even the poorest person can go out and get any car they can get their hands on, they can go to any grocery store and get as much food as they want, they can go live in a mansion. They are now "rich". Oh, and by the way...there is no more gas being produced, food will be scarce and nothing new is being created. But hey...free stuff!

Theres a little true hided in your words, only people who work with the government has those chances! and not every one who works with them...

Forget about oil prices, forget about the countrys weatlh... They use the country as a drug international port, they use the country bank accounts to blank illegal money or money from druglords.... All the most dangerous mens and companies in the world are in this country...

We have sirians migrating to USA through Venezuela, using Venezuelan passports and they dont even know who to say Hi in spanish!!!
We have a Hezbollah lider  Tarek El Aissami(Vicepresident of Venezuela)

This is not socialism, this is not a country this is a Narco-state, in fact not only narcotics, also organs, gold, uranium... We have the most giant crime organization in our country!

[Sithara007]

It is not the transition from capitalism to socialism. What you describe is plain banditry. Never in Venezuela, capitalism was not. The poor are uneducated criminals can hijack the enterprise, but to manage them they can't. This will lead to the collapse of the economy. What we now see.

Nationalization never worked out well in Latin America. There are numerous examples. But the Latin American leaders only care about their vote banks and political future. And that is the reason for all this chaos and anarchy.

[Venezuelan]

It is not the transition from capitalism to socialism. What you describe is plain banditry. Never in Venezuela, capitalism was not. The poor are uneducated criminals can hijack the enterprise, but to manage them they can't. This will lead to the collapse of the economy. What we now see.

Nationalization never worked out well in Latin America. There are numerous examples. But the Latin American leaders only care about their vote banks and political future. And that is the reason for all this chaos and anarchy.

You are saying stuff that has nothing to do with the reality we are living here....

Since 1970, the "Chacal" was making deals with sirian comunist leaders, since 1980 he started funding Hugo rafael Chavez MVR 200 political party, that political party also share their idiology with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), both were communist parties... That funding was due narcotics being dealed at the Venezuelan border with the help of the Venezuelan military and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia—People's Army(FARC) all that was happening with the help of the Castros...

To make the history short, they did what Pablo Escobar wanted to do... Take over a country so it can be used as a company to blank all the money that drugs, weapons, people, sex slaves, organs and who knows what more make them.

It has nothing to do with oil nor politics...

This is the paradise for illicit commerce and activities... We desperatly need and militart intervention from an Army capable of hurting this druglords

[bryant.coleman]

^^^ This is new information for me. I never thought that the situation regarding illegal narcotics was this bad in Venezuela. There has been a lot of media coverage regarding the abundance of narcotics in the neighboring Colombia. The mainstream media has covered the links of major armed formations there (FARC/ELN and AUC) with the drug trade. But I was thinking that Venezuela was largely free from drugs.

[robbylove]

It is not the transition from capitalism to socialism. What you describe is plain banditry. Never in Venezuela, capitalism was not. The poor are uneducated criminals can hijack the enterprise, but to manage them they can't. This will lead to the collapse of the economy. What we now see.

Nationalization never worked out well in Latin America. There are numerous examples. But the Latin American leaders only care about their vote banks and political future. And that is the reason for all this chaos and anarchy.

You are saying stuff that has nothing to do with the reality we are living here....

Since 1970, the "Chacal" was making deals with sirian comunist leaders, since 1980 he started funding Hugo rafael Chavez MVR 200 political party, that political party also share their idiology with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), both were communist parties... That funding was due narcotics being dealed at the Venezuelan border with the help of the Venezuelan military and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia—People's Army(FARC) all that was happening with the help of the Castros...

To make the history short, they did what Pablo Escobar wanted to do... Take over a country so it can be used as a company to blank all the money that drugs, weapons, people, sex slaves, organs and who knows what more make them.

It has nothing to do with oil nor politics...

This is the paradise for illicit commerce and activities... We desperatly need and militart intervention from an Army capable of hurting this druglords

How do you feel when you read starbucks' caffe vanilla frappuccino drinkers telling you, from typing on their Mac Book while looking outside a sidewalk in San Francisco, how you should be thankful for Chavez and Maduro, and all the goods they did to your country?

[Venezuelan]

It is not the transition from capitalism to socialism. What you describe is plain banditry. Never in Venezuela, capitalism was not. The poor are uneducated criminals can hijack the enterprise, but to manage them they can't. This will lead to the collapse of the economy. What we now see.

Nationalization never worked out well in Latin America. There are numerous examples. But the Latin American leaders only care about their vote banks and political future. And that is the reason for all this chaos and anarchy.

You are saying stuff that has nothing to do with the reality we are living here....

Since 1970, the "Chacal" was making deals with sirian comunist leaders, since 1980 he started funding Hugo rafael Chavez MVR 200 political party, that political party also share their idiology with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), both were communist parties... That funding was due narcotics being dealed at the Venezuelan border with the help of the Venezuelan military and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia—People's Army(FARC) all that was happening with the help of the Castros...

To make the history short, they did what Pablo Escobar wanted to do... Take over a country so it can be used as a company to blank all the money that drugs, weapons, people, sex slaves, organs and who knows what more make them.

It has nothing to do with oil nor politics...

This is the paradise for illicit commerce and activities... We desperatly need and militart intervention from an Army capable of hurting this druglords

How do you feel when you read starbucks' caffe vanilla frappuccino drinkers telling you, from typing on their Mac Book while looking outside a sidewalk in San Francisco, how you should be thankful for Chavez and Maduro, and all the goods they did to your country?

The only thing im thankfull of... is being prepared for the real world... we actually survive day after day in this country... Even if you work for a year you wont be able to buy a pair of tires for a car... that being said, is impossible to buy a car, is impossible to buy primary needs from marke because or there are none or are just hyperinflated...

World commerce let buyers, re-sell with a 30% margin... in this country 100-200% is the wining margin! Only if you have acces to USD, and thats not the case... only people who are close to the president and their senators, are theo nly ones with the power to use the USD that belongs to the country it self...

We have a paycheck that is less than 15$ monthly...

[Venezuelan]

^^^ This is new information for me. I never thought that the situation regarding illegal narcotics was this bad in Venezuela. There has been a lot of media coverage regarding the abundance of narcotics in the neighboring Colombia. The mainstream media has covered the links of major armed formations there (FARC/ELN and AUC) with the drug trade. But I was thinking that Venezuela was largely free from drugs.

All the drugs that are dealed to Europe, come from Venezuela it self, the government did a group of latin american leaders (Chavez, Lula, Evo, Correa and Kirchner) who showed the world that they don't need the hand of U.S.A to be the great country we can be... but actually that group is just a mob, the most powerfull and dangerous mob of all time...
With people as Tarek el Aissami and other persons that are linked with Terrorism, druglords, homicide, etc etc...

They move the drugs from country to country till it reach Venezuela, then Venezuela deal the drugs to it destination with the hand of the president or who ever controll the dealerships (Military forces from Venezuela) then they just do aa country-country bussness like "we are going to give Argentina 2 Billions$ for the hospital blah blah" the hospital doesnt even exist neither the money, they used the countries accounts that are from Geneva HSBC to play with the country trasury money like a mob...

Venezuelan people is not dangerous to the world, our government and the mob inside it, are the most dangerous people in the entire world...

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[winterland]

the state in Venezuela is the state that every socialist/communist countries end up in. I'm not reading western mainstream media, but that doesn't change the fact that every socialist/communist country ends up just as Venezuela is now.

But that doesn't take away the fact that the Venezuelans voted for the Socialist Party. Before Chavez became the president there, more than 70% of the Venezuelans lived in poverty. Chavez reduced it to around 30%. So obviously, a large part of the population benefited from socialism, at least initially during the regime of Hugo Chavez.

The initial euphoria for the poor after killing capitalism and moving to socialism is akin to a zombie apocalypse. Suddenly, even the poorest person can go out and get any car they can get their hands on, they can go to any grocery store and get as much food as they want, they can go live in a mansion. They are now "rich". Oh, and by the way...there is no more gas being produced, food will be scarce and nothing new is being created. But hey...free stuff!

This is the problem in paper socialism sounds great that is why most of the time it gets approved but in order for that to happen the rich that so many people hate need to sell their products and services for a loss, the poor say  the rich deserve it but the problem is those rich people created all that stuff, the services and created jobs so after they stop producing for lack of profits a spiral begins to happen in which every year there are less products and no one wants to create those products because they know they are going to be forced to sell for a loss.

[Sithara007]

This is the problem in paper socialism sounds great that is why most of the time it gets approved but in order for that to happen the rich that so many people hate need to sell their products and services for a loss, the poor say  the rich deserve it but the problem is those rich people created all that stuff, the services and created jobs so after they stop producing for lack of profits a spiral begins to happen in which every year there are less products and no one wants to create those products because they know they are going to be forced to sell for a loss.

This will not work. Many of the socialist governments have already realized it. Look at China. They shifted from Socialism to market-based economy, after finding out that Socialism will not survive in to the long-term future. Even Cuba and North Korea are following their example.

[robbylove]

Hunger eats away at Venezuela’s soul as its people struggle to survive



Hunger is gnawing at Venezuela, where a government that claims to rule for the poorest has left most of its 31 million people short of food, many desperately so. As night falls over Caracas, and most of the city’s residents lock their doors against its ever more violent streets, Adriana Velásquez gets ready for work, heading out into an uncertain darkness as she has done since hunger forced her into the only job she could find at 14.

She was introduced to her brothel madam by a friend more than two years ago after her mother, a single parent, was fired and the two ran out of food. “It was really hard, but we were going to bed without eating,” said the teenager, whose name has been changed to protect her.
Time to take a stand for Venezuela’s El Sistema
Marshall Marcus
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Since then Venezuela’s crisis has deepened, the number of women working at the brothel has doubled, and their ages have dropped. “I was the youngest when I started. Now there are girls who are 12 or 13. Almost all of us are there because of the crisis, because of hunger.”

She earns 400,000 bolivares a month, around four times the minimum wage, but at a time of hyperinflation that is now worth about $30, barely enough to feed herself, her mother and a new baby brother. She has signed up to evening classes that run before her nightly shift, and hopes to one day escape from a job where “everything is ugly”.

Velásquez grew up in one of Caracas’s poorest and most violent districts, but Venezuela’s food crisis respects neither class nor geography. The pangs of hunger are felt through the corridors of its major businesses, behind the microphone on radio shows, in hospitals where malnutrition is climbing sharply and already claiming lives, and at schools where children faint and teachers skip classes to queue for food.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/26/nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-venezuela-hunger?CMP=edit_2221


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Unexpected starvation in a socialist lab experience pushed upon million of innocent lab rats?... I wish somebody saw that coming many years ago in a thread...


 

[Sithara007]

^^^ How much of the food is imported in Venezuela? I am surprised because it is a very large country (around 1,000,000 sq.km in area) having open lands and fertile soil. Why can't they produce the food there itself?

[robbylove]

^^^ How much of the food is imported in Venezuela? I am surprised because it is a very large country (around 1,000,000 sq.km in area) having open lands and fertile soil. Why can't they produce the food there itself?

If I was a socialist king I would push for a food Independence first, among other things. This is something I never get with all the socialist experiments in the past: starvation. Always.

Why? Shouldn't food distribution be the foundation of a system based on... "sharing"?

Of course the people working for the state never go hungry.



 

[Sithara007]

Of course the people working for the state never go hungry.

You are absolutely right there. I heard that Hugo Chavez's daughter (Maria Gabriela Chavez) is the richest female in Venezuela, with assets amounting to more than $4 billion (most of it held outside Venezuela).

[robbylove]

Of course the people working for the state never go hungry.

You are absolutely right there. I heard that Hugo Chavez's daughter (Maria Gabriela Chavez) is the richest female in Venezuela, with assets amounting to more than $4 billion (most of it held outside Venezuela).

My post #271
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330687.msg12124665#msg12124665

[yoseph]

the state in Venezuela is the state that every socialist/communist countries end up in. I'm not reading western mainstream media, but that doesn't change the fact that every socialist/communist country ends up just as Venezuela is now.

But that doesn't take away the fact that the Venezuelans voted for the Socialist Party. Before Chavez became the president there, more than 70% of the Venezuelans lived in poverty. Chavez reduced it to around 30%. So obviously, a large part of the population benefited from socialism, at least initially during the regime of Hugo Chavez.

In some rare cases socialism can be very good because the leaders are generous people who care about the lives of their own people.but it's a fact that when power goes into the head of people they tend to act differently and oppress the people the seem to care about.

[robbylove]

the state in Venezuela is the state that every socialist/communist countries end up in. I'm not reading western mainstream media, but that doesn't change the fact that every socialist/communist country ends up just as Venezuela is now.

But that doesn't take away the fact that the Venezuelans voted for the Socialist Party. Before Chavez became the president there, more than 70% of the Venezuelans lived in poverty. Chavez reduced it to around 30%. So obviously, a large part of the population benefited from socialism, at least initially during the regime of Hugo Chavez.

In some rare cases socialism can be very good because the leaders are generous people who care about the lives of their own people.but it's a fact that when power goes into the head of people they tend to act differently and oppress the people the seem to care about.

Could this be the same case for a King or Queen?

In some rare cases a tyrant can be very good because the leader is a generous man who cares about the lives of the people he owns. But it's a fact that when God turns against the Tyrant and people start dying  (the black death), the power goes into the hand of the people, they tend to act differently and go after the tyrant, who said  he would protect and take care of them, thanks to his tough love...


Yep, The same... with the extra bonus of not providing one example of a socialist state that was good for the people, and use that example as a perfect case.

So extremely rare, as in nonexistent...