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September 19, 2012, 03:08:55 AM
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thanks for the tips
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September 19, 2012, 11:41:06 PM
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Seriously. Don't trust the exchanges, don't trust online wallet services, don't trust your anti-virus software, and don't trust anybody online.

If you absolutely must trust someone with your bitcoins, for the love, choose carefully!

  • Do you know their full name?
  • Do you know where they are located?
  • Have they demonstrated trustworthiness in the past?
  • Are they asking you to trust them? (red flag)
  • Do they have insurance?

Insurance? Impossible, you say. Not so!

When I needed people to trust me to hold bitcoins for a contest, I deposited 50 bitcoins as a bond with a well-respected forum member, so that even if I did something stupid and lost people's money, they would still be reimbursed. You can read about it here: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10008.0

Consider carefully who you will trust. With bitcoins, elaborate scams may be profitable. For instance, someone may develop trust for their user name over many months with small transactions on this forum, then take advantage of that trust to make off with a lot of money. Such a scam would only be worth doing on this forum. No other forum in the world would be worth the effort.

If you want someone to hold your bitcoins for you, there are NO online services that have the transparency and security to make me comfortable using them for storing bitcoins for more than a short time in small amounts. The only way to do it is like I did - choose someone whom you believe to be trustworthy, and approach them. If they approach you, or in any way say or insinuate that they are a trustworthy person to hold your coins, STAY AWAY.

If you are thinking that I might not be trustworthy, since I am writing this post about the issue, you are approaching the appropriate level of paranoia.

If you want to store your bitcoins with maximum security, there are lots of resources about how to do it, such as this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet

Here's my summary:

1. Put all your coins in a new wallet that has never connected to the network
2. Encrypt that wallet with the maximum security you can find, using the most secure password you can keep track of
3. Delete the plaintext wallet, and distribute the encrypted wallet to every piece of physical media you own, store it online, and send it to several people you trust

Don't think you can generate and remember a secure enough password? Create a super-long password, and store clues to help you remember it. For instance, your password clue file might say:

My standard password + My throwaway password (backwards, all caps) + &#$%@ + First two sentences of first paragraph of page 19 of my favorite book (include all capitalization and punctuation) + My wife's mother's middle name + My son's favorite superhero + My favorite number times 8734 + food my wife hates (backwards, all caps) + 9-digit number stored with my paper will + 10-character password stored in my safety deposit box + . . . .

You can go on in this way to create as long a password as you want. Store this password clue file with your encrypted wallet, and optionally encrypt both with a simple standard password to keep out snoopers.

In this way, not only can you recover your coins from your "savings account" at a later date, if you get hit by a chicken truck tomorrow and die, your loved ones can probably piece together your password and recover the coins too (better make sure you trust them, and that between them they have or can get the answers to those clues).

I recommend that you practice your wallet encryption and recovery a few times with a small number of coins, until you are very comfortable with the process before you try it with the bulk of your savings.

And remember, this is how most bitcoins services get started:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lgm4poF3JWE/TgsHwby-BlI/AAAAAAAADwQ/twan94HT6p4/020.jpg

Comic from: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13903.0

Sorry for the long quote of the OP,  but is this still the investment environment of bitcoin (as described in the OP)?

When I see a stickied thread titled "Trust No One" and the OP hasn't been edited in some way, I have to assume the high-risk investment environment still exists. [EDIT] since August 2012?

Is this true?

Obviously, I'm new here.  Comments and links appreciated.

thx
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September 20, 2012, 01:54:44 AM
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good guidelines

"...as simple as possible, but no simpler" -AE
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September 21, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
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this is freak me out  : )
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September 21, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
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I've had this philosophy since I started mining and haven't lost anything. (Yet :p)  Though it did convince me to use Lastpass software for all my passwords, they're all different and all very secure.  If you don't use it you should.

I may be new to bitcointalk, but to account security I am not.

Securing your wallet should include securing all your passwords, like using LastPass or another password manager.  There's more than one way to skin a cat, and a determined thief might use more indirect theft of your personal information to gain increasing amounts of trust.  Or might simply hijack your Facebook, Twitter, and email accounts to spite, embarrass or extort you.

Multiple password dumps have shown, time and again, rampant password reuse in the general online public (and if not reuse, poor use — as in, easily guessed or bruteforce-cracked).

tl;dr

Up-armor all your passwords, today.
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September 21, 2012, 08:47:30 PM
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thanks
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September 22, 2012, 02:23:07 AM
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With all the problems bitcoin exchanges have been having I think I will only be trusting Mt. Gox because yeah they've been hacked but they paid back their customers. Anyone can open up an exchange because there's no regulation. It doesn't make sense to trust a new exchange. This has been proven over and over.
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September 22, 2012, 07:17:12 AM
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advice seems helpful you should not trust anyone over the internet

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September 22, 2012, 07:19:34 AM
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September 22, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
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Somehow somewhere you have to trust someone for trade  Undecided

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September 22, 2012, 05:22:44 PM
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Follow this advise.
Already lost 0.5 BTC in a Ponzi Scheme last year.
Thankfully it wasn't much. ^^

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September 23, 2012, 01:07:55 AM
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Thanks, great advice.
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September 23, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
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This is truly great advice not only for bitcoins but anything else you would like to secure!!!

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September 23, 2012, 08:03:51 PM
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Seriously. Don't trust the exchanges, don't trust online wallet services, don't trust your anti-virus software, and don't trust anybody online.


I recommend that you practice your wallet encryption and recovery a few times with a small number of coins, until you are very comfortable with the process before you try it with the bulk of your savings.

And remember, this is how most bitcoins services get started:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lgm4poF3JWE/TgsHwby-BlI/AAAAAAAADwQ/twan94HT6p4/020.jpg

Comic from: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13903.0

Lot to take on board, but makes sense..
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September 23, 2012, 09:18:15 PM
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Informative.
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September 24, 2012, 12:31:27 PM
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I trust no one, not even myself ! *queue eerie music while crazy guy laughs in background *

But seriously, I couldn't agree more, trust is something hard to earn and quick to break, with horrible consequences in most cases.

"You may delay, but time will not, and lost time is never found again." -Benjamin Franklin
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September 24, 2012, 07:33:17 PM
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I trust no one, not even myself ! *queue eerie music while crazy guy laughs in background *

But seriously, I couldn't agree more, trust is something hard to earn and quick to break, with horrible consequences in most cases.

+1

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September 24, 2012, 11:02:07 PM
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+1
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September 25, 2012, 02:26:14 AM
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This is great info and discussion.
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September 26, 2012, 06:37:45 AM
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Helpful tips Smiley
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