NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[Damelon]

New Bitcointalk Summary for those who want an overview of the last two days.

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[bitcoinrocks]

People become tired to be guided and restricted by authorities.
         If some one gives the people freedom and the connected responsibility, people say "yeeeh, we are free!!!".
         After a while, say get lost in there degrees of freedom and say "yeeeh, we need a leader".
         And the cycle starts again ;-)

In successful software development, there is always a leader.  We are not trying to set up a new society here.  We are trying to crank out a software project.  Then maybe the software will create a new society.

[aorith]

what's transparent forging phase 2? currently you can forget about forging if you have less thank 35k~ nxt

[landomata]

We need to spend all 9Mil on development, we build something so good that people will spread the word organically.

+1000 this

3 million is being put away for that.


In the case of the 7 million for Marketing I meant general push for Nxt to gain mass adoption....all sub-features, client, services, website, asset exchange etc etc....fall under this area.

MARKETING & PROMOTION ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS....as one is a subset of the other....I've been doing marketing/business development for a long time....
 

[rickyjames]

NXT community,

Do we need some sort of foundation (purely administrative) if so how would be the structure: can we achieve that in a decentralized way?

-   Chairman (multisig)
-   Secretary (multisig)
-   PR
-   TO (technical officer)
-   DEV
-   Member(multisig)
-   Member
-   Member

Yes, we do need this.  Yes we do yes we do yes we do.  

Salsacz has outlined in another thread a similar committee just for marketing, and we need that too.  

But IMHO we also need a purely administrative foundation to think about the organization and deployment of NXT in the months to come.  This will be especially critical since CfB has said recently he is only going to work on NXT core software itself until April, then he is going off to work on another feature for NXT called Project K.  BTNext and JeanLuc hardly post here at all,  certainly not to the same degree CfB does, and that's fine - they are doing an amazing job turning out new code versions.

NXT did not exist in any form before Sept 28, 2013.  NXT has made spectacular progress from one guy's idea and original post to a functional system with hundreds of deployed nodes and a widely held coin valued at 0.00004 BTC per unit in less than four months.  Organizing a foundation is the next logical step to keep this momentum going.

Let's do it.

If you need a sheriff, or a blabbermouth, I'm available...

[swartzfeger]

A marketing Committee


1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee

Consider uniqueorn for this list. He isn't here a lot but is at the other forum and has put in a lot of time.

[salsacz]

A marketing Committee


1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee

Consider uniqueorn for this list. He isn't here a lot but is at the other forum and has put in a lot of time.

actually we are debating with uniqueorn a lot via skype, there is a lot you don't see yet

Salsacz (campaigns, viral marketing, media, people, universities... "organizing" all what is in Media topic) - Bitcointalk, all other forums
NiftyNikel (people) - nextcoin
Uniqueorn (people) - nextcoin
Utopianfuture (articles, people, science world) - Bitcointalk
opticalcarrier (scienceworld?)

? Joefox (texts) - wiki, Bitcointalk
? Anon136 (science world)
? Klee (belongs to the dev commitee)

Pinarello (declined)

[landomata]

A marketing Committee


1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee

Consider uniqueorn for this list. He isn't here a lot but is at the other forum and has put in a lot of time.

Salsacz (campaigns, viral marketing, media, people, universities... "organizing" all what is in Media topic) - Bitcointalk, all other forums
NiftyNikel (people) - nextcoin
Uniqueorn (people) - nextcoin
Utopianfuture (articles, people, science world) - Bitcointalk
opticalcarrier (scienceworld?)

? Joefox (texts) - wiki, Bitcointalk
? Anon136 (science world)
? Klee (belongs to the dev commitee)

Pinarello (communication with Nxt users) - forums.nxtcrypto, Bitcointalk (declined, but still has "communication with Nxt users" topic)

yes...these additional three would be good.....Klee & Anon136 have solid reputations built on responsibly handling large amounts of funds.

Edit: Joefox...is also a smart marketer.

[nxtgt]

At the very least, why aren't there multiple topics on nxtcrypto about individual project discussion as opposed to everything discussed in a single thread here? This seems like a simple organizational fix that could be implemented immediately. That way we aren't all sitting around a round table having 10 conversations at a time.

Do it! Create the threads!

I've started two threads in the Stakeholder Collaboration forum of nxtcrypto for 1) marketing and 2) voting system discussion. These were two things that were hotly debated over the past couple days. Hopefully this will organize conversations a bit more and remove excess noise from this thread.

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewforum.php?f=38

An experiment in coordination!

[Come-from-Beyond]

So much marketing.
Any dev cooperation?

What exactly do u need?

[rickyjames]

What do Utopian Future, Klee, Anon, 2Kewl4School and other prolific posters do? Do they program stuff? Write articles?

I wasn't aware that i was "prolific" but i like the sound of it. No but seriously I'm just an enthusiast. I think the forging algo is, for lack of a better word, revolutionary. All of my interest and involvement stems out of that and its not even particular to nxt. If another unique coin used a similar algo than i would be involved there also. But yea i just study it, write about it, answer questions about it, and act as a trusted counterpart where ever my reputation for honesty can be of use to someone.

Just as important to NXT and just as revolutionary as the transparent forging algorithm is the miniblockchain concept.  I've been researching this so I can write it up in the whitepaper and not sound too stupid:


http://www.bitfreak.info/files/pp2p-ccmbc-rev1.pdf

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195275.msg2029436#msg2029436

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215936.0

It's fascinating to follow the development and timeline of all this.  You can see NXT breaking out of its shell and getting born, just look at who's posting where and the title of that third link.  There's probably even a few hints in there for a good detective on just who BCNext might be, but some things in life are better left with an air of mystery about them...

[smartwart]

People become tired to be guided and restricted by authorities.
         If some one gives the people freedom and the connected responsibility, people say "yeeeh, we are free!!!".
         After a while, say get lost in there degrees of freedom and say "yeeeh, we need a leader".
         And the cycle starts again ;-)

In successful software development, there is always a leader.  We are not trying to set up a new society here.  We are trying to crank out a software project.  Then maybe the software will create a new society.

Absolutely, and If you look carefully, you will find the leaders.
I agree with the other sentences too.

At least its a mix of activity, patience and persistence which lead to success everything.

[bitcoinrocks]

Ahahah exactly. I sometimes want to contact BCNext and say "You know what...great idea....but take it back, we aren't ready for it"

I think you made the point perfectly.  We aren't ready to create a technological wonder under a new form of software development.  The technology should be decentralized.  The method of its development should be centralized.

[marcus03]

This is my entry for the AM contest: Project Wake-Up Call :-)

The idea is, that sooner or later account holders will use software (clients, BC Explorer, etc.) that will show the plain text messages received on their account.

Thus, I sent out plain text messages to all accounts with more than 50.000 NXT in it that have no public key (204 accounts in total).

The message says:

Your NXT account is not fully protected! Please visit http://goo.gl/7vvRJl to learn more.

The link in the message goes to http://nxtsolaris.wordpress.com/nxt-no-public-key-landing-page/ which gives a short explanation on how to secure an account by doing an outgoing transaction.

 

The main goal of this little project was to find bugs in my clients (I think the only way I can win a prize in the AM contest with this is, if only two other people take part... ;-) )

I found three bugs with this project in my client and one of them was that I didn't correctly add public keys created through forging in my account list.

So, 60 of the 204 account I sent a message to, actually have a public key in the blockchain and got a false warning message.

I'll send out a second "go-to-sleep-again" message to these 60 later today.

[salsacz]

There is a Bitcoin Meetup in London coming up next week on January 21:

http://www.meetup.com/London-bitcoin-meetup/events/159181392/

We need to get a few Nxters there to promote and educate people on Nxt.

So come on, that guy from the Moore's Traditional Museum, his friend from Tower Gardens or even our buddy from the Hoebridge Golf Centre, aren't you interested?

Buump

[Damelon]

Ahahah exactly. I sometimes want to contact BCNext and say "You know what...great idea....but take it back, we aren't ready for it"

The technology should be decentralized.  The method of its development should be centralized.

Can this be made into a banner?

[notsoshifty]

The main goal of this little project was to find bugs in my clients (I think the only way I can win a prize in the AM contest with this is, if only two other people take part... ;-) )

I found three bugs with this project in my client and one of them was that I didn't correctly add public keys created through forging in my account list.

So, 60 of the 204 account I sent a message to, actually have a public key in the blockchain and got a false warning message.

I'll send out a second "go-to-sleep-again" message to these 60 later today.

Was the account '2449360251152267661' one of those?

As:
 - 'requestType=getAccountBlockIds&account=2449360251152267661&timestamp=0' returns zero forged blocks
 - 'requestType=getAccountPublicKey&account=2449360251152267661' returns an empty hash

But:
 - 'requestType=getBlock&block=15154802272108425772' returns a block with 2449360251152267661 as generator
 - 'requestType=getBlock&block=2526093825202073401' returns a block with 2449360251152267661 as generator

Is that a bug in NRS?

[vanea84]

Why vote makes no unfair social media.
You call a couple of people that the community is all about?

That decide for everyone

Why not conduct a fair vote social media?

[landomata]

This is my entry for the AM contest: Project Wake-Up Call :-)

The idea is, that sooner or later account holders will use software (clients, BC Explorer, etc.) that will show the plain text messages received on their account.

Thus, I sent out plain text messages to all accounts with more than 50.000 NXT in it that have no public key (204 accounts in total).

The message says:

Your NXT account is not fully protected! Please visit http://goo.gl/7vvRJl to learn more.

The link in the message goes to http://nxtsolaris.wordpress.com/nxt-no-public-key-landing-page/ which gives a short explanation on how to secure an account by doing an outgoing transaction.

 

The main goal of this little project was to find bugs in my clients (I think the only way I can win a prize in the AM contest with this is, if only two other people take part... ;-) )

I found three bugs with this project in my client and one of them was that I didn't correctly add public keys created through forging in my account list.

So, 60 of the 204 account I sent a message to, actually have a public key in the blockchain and got a false warning message.

I'll send out a second "go-to-sleep-again" message to these 60 later today.

what was the total messaging fee ....1 nxt per msg sent? or did you send in bulk?....just curious

[marcus03]

The main goal of this little project was to find bugs in my clients (I think the only way I can win a prize in the AM contest with this is, if only two other people take part... ;-) )

I found three bugs with this project in my client and one of them was that I didn't correctly add public keys created through forging in my account list.

So, 60 of the 204 account I sent a message to, actually have a public key in the blockchain and got a false warning message.

I'll send out a second "go-to-sleep-again" message to these 60 later today.

Was the account '2449360251152267661' one of those?

As:
 - 'requestType=getAccountBlockIds&account=2449360251152267661&timestamp=0' returns zero forged blocks
 - 'requestType=getAccountPublicKey&account=2449360251152267661' returns an empty hash

But:
 - 'requestType=getBlock&block=15154802272108425772' returns a block with 2449360251152267661 as generator
 - 'requestType=getBlock&block=2526093825202073401' returns a block with 2449360251152267661 as generator

Is that a bug in NRS?

Yes, 2449360251152267661 is one the false positives.

For me

https://192.168.178.55:7875/nxt?requestType=getAccountPublicKey&account=2449360251152267661

returns

{"publicKey":"49ed84f9ed7b2a8a555ced4b07de61b5d666f2d0b6186414882136d72a911719"}