NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[EmoneyRu]

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Can't we look at all other cross platform clients and use Qt?
Btw, I think Java is cool. Don't know why we need alt clients

[wakasaki808]

Solaris Windows Client

It can not be trusted. It's closed source.

So it can't be recommended. Definitely

What about the NRS client?

So there is a client but we cant use it?

for the most part ,we are all choosing  to just blindly trust Jean-Luc's "official" NRS releases.  though you can decompile and examine if you are savvy into that kind of thing.

However, actively promoting alternate clients must be handled VERY DELICATELY.  I would go so far as to say i dont really feel confortable promoting any alt clients on the nxtcrypto.org website unless the clients give a warning to the user about their source being closed, etc etc and that the users are actively choosing to trust the developer.  

This is aa very tough one.  Im definitely NOT going to make the call on my own.

Maybe should make it like how Bitcoin.org does it?

Where when you click on Getting Started with Bitcoin -> "Choose Your Wallet", it gives you a various assortment of "official" wallets like Bitcoin-qt, Multibit, and Armory while also linking to "Third Party" wallets and states "This wallet relies on a centralized service by default and requires a certain level of trust on a third party. This third party however does not control your wallet. Using backups and a strong password is always recommended when applicable." where you then click "OK, I UNDERSTAND".

Have it so the clients made by nexern, and some of the trusted posters become the "OFFICIAL" wallets, and the rest become "3rd party" or something like that.  

Just an idea

[relm9]

Not sure if people are aware but max withdrawl on BTER is only 200 NXT per day. So if you plan on buying or selling a lot just keep that in mind - hopefully  they raise it. Maybe they're testing things still.

[EmoneyRu]

I am using 3rd party commercial components that I have the source code for, but I am not allowed to distribute them. I also made changes to their code. Nobody would be able to compile just my source code, so the only effect I see in giving out the code is that copycats would come along and make their version of my client.

You can try to split single program into 2 parts and opened part should be compiled standalone.
We can't recommend your program until we verify that opened part passes key to closed only in one-way transformated form.

If it is impossible - other clients are welcome, sorry.

[marcus03]

Be constructive. Open source is no possible way for my client. What is needed so that my client can be trusted, when you do trust your OS, your browser and NRS.

Seriously, ask for it and I'll try to deliver.

I trust many people that already tested my OS and my browser.
I do not have NRS on my local machine, only at VPSs that are used only for Nxt. I use multiple VPS providers but use NRS only at Amazon because they don't care about Nxt and "I trust many people that already tested it".

Given that you only use open source software and given that you made sure that the version that was reviewed by others is actually what makes the compiled version that you are using, you still trust the NRS NXT core, which is not fully open-source.

What does it need that you trust my client the same as you trust the NRS NXT core?

[l8orre]

well, this makes a convincing case for using python and PyQt - highly performant, but easily verified because python is not compiled..

[notsoshifty]

I am using 3rd party commercial components that I have the source code for, but I am not allowed to distribute them. I also made changes to their code. Nobody would be able to compile just my source code, so the only effect I see in giving out the code is that copycats would come along and make their version of my client.

Can you distribute the third party components as compiled libraries, and re-engineer your client to not need changes to those libraries? (And release it open source)

Is your intention to charge for your client, or distribute it for free? If free, then rather than look at it as 'copycats copying it', see it as community development with you as the dev lead to ultimately make a better client?

[admiral.fu]

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Can't we look at all other cross platform clients and use Qt?
Btw, I think Java is cool. Don't know why we need alt clients

QT is coo. I did not suggest it because of lack of experience with it. But would consider this as well if no one else picks this up.

[pinarello]

I am using 3rd party commercial components that I have the source code for, but I am not allowed to distribute them. I also made changes to their code. Nobody would be able to compile just my source code, so the only effect I see in giving out the code is that copycats would come along and make their version of my client.

You can try to split single program into 2 parts and opened part should be compiled standalone.
We can't recommend your program until we verify that opened part passes key to closed only in one-way transformated form.

If it is impossible - other clients are welcome, sorry.

Common guys, community paid 1,000,000 NXT on bounty for clients and now we gonna look for new clients,

think we have to solve this and get it sorted out. Be serious now

[marcus03]

Hi guys just arrived and you are discussing clients.

Marcus03, was your intention to have it closed from the very beginning? If yes, I had misunderstood it completely.

I always knew that I am not able to give out the full source code, yes. In the long run, I hope there will be APIs for all major OSes that don't need the NRS core and do everything that has to do with the secret.

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Would community be interested in this?

Do it!

[garcias]

where are the FBI calling the Devs of this coin??

I f*cked FBI and this is my official statement.

Nice  
Now tell me why the fuck this coin doens have a normal wallet?
It is more secure this way?

[garcias]

Not sure if people are aware but max withdrawl on BTER is only 200 NXT per day. So if you plan on buying or selling a lot just keep that in mind - hopefully  they raise it. Maybe they're testing things still.

So where to buy in large quantity?

[marcus03]

You can try to split single program into 2 parts and opened part should be compiled standalone.
We can't recommend your program until we verify that opened part passes key to closed only in one-way transformated form.

That's exactly what I am doing since version 1.3 of my client. My main executable uses a dynamic link library, the secret only lives in the dll and the dll makes all calls to NRS.

Source for the dll is included in my client download. If you have Delphi, you can review the code, compile it and run your own version of the dll.

[xyzzyx]

Maybe should make it like how Bitcoin.org does it?

Where when you click on Getting Started with Bitcoin -> "Choose Your Wallet", it gives you a various assortment of "official" wallets like Bitcoin-qt, Multibit, and Armory while also linking to "Third Party" wallets and states "This wallet relies on a centralized service by default and requires a certain level of trust on a third party. This third party however does not control your wallet. Using backups and a strong password is always recommended when applicable." where you then click "OK, I UNDERSTAND".

Have it so the clients made by nexern, and some of the trusted posters become the "OFFICIAL" wallets, and the rest become "3rd party" or something like that.  

This is a very reasonable proposal.

Only software that has the source available for review should get full blessing.  Closed clients should also be available for those who wish to use them, as long as it is made very clear that they may be taking a risk in doing so.

[minusbalancer]

Marcus03, was your intention to have it closed from the very beginning? If yes, I had misunderstood it completely.

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Would community be interested in this?

I agree with Marcus03 ... you can do it. Marcus03 and i doing our clients without any rewards.
dotNXT (my client implementation) will be open source but not at this moment.

Marcus03 have done a really good job on making the nice looking client which uses the original client. I do not understand why are you trying to push him to open the source.

Isn't it Marcus03's right not to open the source?

[Conurtrol]

I can't help but think that the goal of complete decentralization may be best served by agreeing on some initial centralization for a short period of time to establish a home website, official client, marketing plan etc..

[relm9]

Not sure if people are aware but max withdrawl on BTER is only 200 NXT per day. So if you plan on buying or selling a lot just keep that in mind - hopefully  they raise it. Maybe they're testing things still.

So where to buy in large quantity?

Right now Dgex, or the trading thread here are still the best places to buy in high volume.

[dzarmush]

Not sure if people are aware but max withdrawl on BTER is only 200 NXT per day. So if you plan on buying or selling a lot just keep that in mind - hopefully  they raise it. Maybe they're testing things still.

So where to buy in large quantity?

https://dgex.com

Nxt withdrawals may take up to 48 hours but Btc deposits take a couple minutes.

[minusbalancer]

Have it so the clients made by nexern, and some of the trusted posters become the "OFFICIAL" wallets, and the rest become "3rd party" or something like that.  

Just an idea

Where i can have a look on nexern's client? Is it open source?

[Alias]

Check these out -

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/markets/show/bter

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/nxt/btc/dgex/10-days