NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[Bitventurer]

Please calm. 250K sent already. 3 million marketing plan has been tentatively approved. As long as results come in, regular 250K payments will be sent. Marketing is simply a cost that needs to be spent. 250K per month is 3 million NXT per year. that seems enough to get a lot more marketing done than before.

All the sausage making can be done at nxtcrypto now. There is funding. This thread will just be there for the progress announcements.

The point is: we want something official. As the price grows, suddenly people become more and more reluctant to spend on the work we do.
I got thanked by BTer for suggesting them to add NXT, they did, price grew 100%, did I get anything in return? NO. People wanted to reward BTER instead
This community is so ungrateful and selfish that it's painful.

We are sending people to the official bitcoin conferences from our own fucking wallets. Why aren't the NXT fund being spent on this?

Of course I am pissed, I have witnessed this selfish ungratefulness for over a month now and for some fuckedup reason this thread is still seen as the "official" place where these decisions is made, eventhough ALL the PR work are being done by us on the nxt forum. MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and I am fuckng tired of it

Fair play for sending an email to a shit scam exchange mate, these devs sit on their asses all day doing sweet fuck all when it's people like you that built nxt.

Every community has a idiot like you.
Who the hell has said anything negative about the devs?
How the fuck do you even compare the two things?

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

You must be too dumb to operate a computer safely if you do not understand this, so please log off.

No you're just a skank mate

can you please explain why Bter.com are considered as scams, or post a link, I’m a bit confused now

[Uniqueorn]

I don't control or allocate NXT fund. But what is in the past is in the past. I think what I explained above seems like what we are heading now, unless you can convince BCNext and Cfb otherwise we are going to work in that type of decentralized fashion.

You can make a plan to ask funding to pay for the past efforts as well. But it is better to prepare a forward looking plan.

Now let be clear, BCNext and CFb are making all the source codes. They are controlling the common fund. CfB seems like to stay here so I think we can coordinate here as well.

The point is: we need a committee of dedicated members who has shown their dedication and talents in helping NXT. We can't hold a public poll everytime we are going to decide whether a article should be written and the reward should be X nxt. That doesn't work from a practical POV.

And of course people deserve to get paid for their past work that has got NXT as far as it is today, it's not like it should just be deleted due to the community SUDDENLY realizing that "OH PR, that thing that makes things valuable? Oh yea we should probably do that after all".

The fact that CfB is in control and making random decisions based on random posts in this thread indicates that the funds need to become decentralized and then a "expert committe" should decide where the funds is going to go in terms of PR / marketing.

AFAIK there is a marketing Committee.

Pin

No there isn't. I am talking with salsacz about the need to form one right now.

[smartwart]

Why can't we wait until we have an open source client like nexern, then start with marketing?  We need to point people to an easy one click install, otherwise people will come and then leave confused.  Also, we need to focus on several core features so we have something to market.

Marketing takes time. We need to start now to have things ready in a timely fashion. Do you think we can say let there be marketing and the next day we have it???

Look at the power of having a single mainstream exchange has. I have been saying we need a place to trade NXT reliably. I was right.

I am saying we need to start a larger scale marketing plan now, eg. salascz's plan.

James

Everyone says NXT needs to be in a big exchange, not just you. Many people wrote to the exchanges already and then Bter wanted us and listed us. If that's what you have in mind then we have been doing it over and over again.

I contacted BTer about adding NXT weeks ago, wrote several arguments in favour and then they thanked me a week ago, added NXT yesterday and the price skyrocketed 100%
It *works*


We have been asking for NXT to support our projects for over a month (me, justabit, salsacz, niftynikel), but we haven't got anything from the left over NXTs and now that eMu is about to release people SUDDENLY realize how important marketing is? Yea well then let's get on with it

What was the budget for all your efforts?

[bitcoinpaul]

Bounty announcement

1st one who implements a working (during 7 days at least) SMS-to-NXT gateway will get a bounty. Amount of the bounty will be considered by the community.

Deadline: 28th of February, 2014.

bump.

[dulinxu]

what the hell, i couldnt access my account on dgex.  i havent done anything about it. and click the reset button many times, wait a long time, still havent get the reset email?  what happend??/

why do you write it here, dgex is on nextcon.org , find their thread and ask...and why dont you use bter.com

yeah, i tried to contact the admin, however no response. there is a strict withdraw limit for  bter

[Damelon]

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

There is a distinct bias towards dev work in the community.
Not surprising, seeing the initial group that would use any crypto, especially an innovative one.

However, I've seen a lot of work seen go unrecognised, too.
The people who keep the sites and wikis running spend hours a day keeping stuff up to date.
If the sites weren't there, this would be the only place Nxt would be seen and it would fail.

Also, the calls for funds do not go into the pockets of these people as "stash" but are prespent on buying domains, webspace, or tickets to go to conferences.

I already said earlier there is a tendency to negatively comment on marketing, as if it's in some way dirty and people asking for funds are asking for free Nxt.
Not by all, but it's there. Imagine if that were done to the devs who put in shitloads of hours.

I can't speak for others, but the time and money I put in is spent because
a) I believe in Nxt and want it to succeed.
b) I don't have dev skills, but don't just want to sit on the side, but actually contribute.

To hear someone say that such people are shitheads that basically think they are great and the devs are not makes me more than a little angry.

Now, having said that, I am going to eat, chill a bit and come back with some more positive attitude.

[Bitventurer]

Bounty announcement

1st one who implements a working (during 7 days at least) SMS-to-NXT gateway will get a bounty. Amount of the bounty will be considered by the community.

Deadline: 28th of February, 2014.

bump.

what exactly means SMS to NXT ?

you send SMS to nxt ?   - nicht verstein, were to an exchange ?

 or you send  NXT with SMS ?  -  very good idea... so that poor countries (like in Africa) can buy nxt , and use it THAT WOULD BE GREAT

[cfrm]

Please calm. 250K sent already. 3 million marketing plan has been tentatively approved. As long as results come in, regular 250K payments will be sent. Marketing is simply a cost that needs to be spent. 250K per month is 3 million NXT per year. that seems enough to get a lot more marketing done than before.

All the sausage making can be done at nxtcrypto now. There is funding. This thread will just be there for the progress announcements.

The point is: we want something official. As the price grows, suddenly people become more and more reluctant to spend on the work we do.
I got thanked by BTer for suggesting them to add NXT, they did, price grew 100%, did I get anything in return? NO. People wanted to reward BTER instead
This community is so ungrateful and selfish that it's painful.

We are sending people to the official bitcoin conferences from our own fucking wallets. Why aren't the NXT fund being spent on this?

Of course I am pissed, I have witnessed this selfish ungratefulness for over a month now and for some fuckedup reason this thread is still seen as the "official" place where these decisions is made, eventhough ALL the PR work are being done by us on the nxt forum. MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and I am fuckng tired of it

Fair play for sending an email to a shit scam exchange mate, these devs sit on their asses all day doing sweet fuck all when it's people like you that built nxt.

Every community has a idiot like you.
Who the hell has said anything negative about the devs?
How the fuck do you even compare the two things?

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

You must be too dumb to operate a computer safely if you do not understand this, so please log off.

Go sleep or something. You've been yelling for hours now, nothing constructive coming from your fingers.

You've worked on NXT marketing? You mean e-mailing bter, as you've mentioned 8 or 9 times today? Such a selfish community, not giving you a huge reward for your effort.

Based on the way you're acting out I hope you have nothing to do with the organization and marketing of NXT, or else I might start to have serious doubts of the human capital involved in this project. So hopefully you're not as influential as you might think.

[TwinWinNerD]

Yeah OP did you have vanity address on all 3?

something about vanity coding a 64 char account # when you could just buy an alias makes me say WTF

No, that is the thing, i only used the vanity generator for 1 address, and some others while i was doodling around. The majority of funds where on a random password address.

I have aliases, but i still think vanity addresses look awesome.

Had a long night replacing all the passwords on my other accounts and emails and onlinebanking ect. One strange thing i noticed was that i have some funds on exchanges, that were not touched, ONLY the NXT accounts were touched. They didn't even try to enter my gmail accounts to reset something or get additional info. Very strange all.

Sad shit right there.

[mthcl]

CfB sent you a PM about Portuguese translation 

I didn't receive it. Or was it not for me? 

[minusbalancer]

What's the point of having a reverse-engineered, incomplete client that will run on windows only? We have a Java server that is getting better every day, what we need is a well designed and fully cross-platform GUI for it, not an alternative implementation.

If minusbalancer used decompiled sources to base his .NET implementation on, he will have to catch up with my changes and bugfixes, and come up with his own solution for the blockchain persistence. And spend time and efforts tracking down and fixing bugs that are already fixed in the Java version, and introduce his own bugs in the process.

Well the only reason i am working on my client is to have a click and install or even click and run client, so I do not have to be admin on local machine to use it. It should be small in terms of memory footprint and function to cover the client needs, not the node needs. So I could put it on usb stick and use where i want. It will never happen with Java implementation at least on Windows.

Unfortunately the up-to-date source of the NRS is not published so i have to use decompiled version to catch up with the changes and stay up to date.

[rriky92]

Bounty announcement

1st one who implements a working (during 7 days at least) SMS-to-NXT gateway will get a bounty. Amount of the bounty will be considered by the community.

Deadline: 28th of February, 2014.

bump.

Can't register to Boxpay!

There is a bounty for iphone app?? i'm going to release mine and i want know if there is some bounty

[Uniqueorn]

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

There is a distinct bias towards dev work in the community.
Not surprising, seeing the initial group that would use any crypto, especially an innovative one.

However, I've seen a lot of work seen go unrecognised, too.
The people who keep the sites and wikis running spend hours a day keeping stuff up to date.
If the sites weren't there, this would be the only place Nxt would be seen and it would fail.

Also, the calls for funds do not go into the pockets of these people as "stash" but are prespent on buying domains, webspace, or tickets to go to conferences.

I already said earlier there is a tendency to negatively comment on marketing, as if it's in some way dirty and people asking for funds are asking for free Nxt.
Not by all, but it's there. Imagine if that were done to the devs who put in shitloads of hours.

I can't speak for others, but the time and money I put in is spent because
a) I believe in Nxt and want it to succeed.
b) I don't have dev skills, but don't just want to sit on the side, but actually contribute.

To hear someone say that such people are shitheads that basically think they are great and the devs are not makes me more than a little angry.

Now, having said that, I am going to eat, chill a bit and come back with some more positive attitude.

The thing is: people seem to think that as long as the tech is good enough, then everything should go smoothly. Unfortunately that is not how the real world works. If it was then Justin Bieber is the new Mozart and Honey Boo Boo is the new Breaking Bad.
PR means nearly everything in a incredibly competitive market. There are new altcoins popping up all the time, by the time I have finished this post here is probably a new altcoin called "yetanothercoin".
NXT got a lot of features (upcoming) that no other coin has, this is true, but there are more second generation coins coming like eMunie, Ethereum, Skycoin etc. and competition will just 10fold when things become open source.

This is why we need marketing, to establish ourselves. Theoretically the multi millionaire Bitcoin twins (Winklevoss) could invest a few million dollars in a second generation cryptocurrency and spend millions of dollars on marketing. This is things that can happen that would suddenly make whatever they invest it in superfamous and widely used compared to NXT.

People don't seem to understand this.

Why did the price increase yesterday? Was it because of some new awesome feature? No. It was due to bter adding NXT. That is the power of marketing. It's time people realize and get their priorities straight.

[bitcoinpaul]

http://wideo.co/view/1504591387756502643-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency
salsaCZ this video is amazing 

WOW amazing indeed. World class work.

The only thing I saw that could be different is @12s where you say "too slowly" as it should be "too slow".
Also background music along the lines of what minute physics or veritasium have, would be the final touch.

Excellent video.

in general is OK, but i don’t like that in the beginning you say that Bitcoin is shit , bitcoin is fuckng nr. 1 no mather what,
odnt forget if it wouldnt be bitcoin there wouldnt be NXT , so stop saying that bitcoin is bad ... just don't , you can say something like this :

 "Let's face it , we all love Bitcoin with all our heart, but NXT is the next big thing thanks to Bitcoin! "

Yes, we should be careful what to say about bitcoin. Otherwise, it could sound immature: "all is shit, only we are perfect"

[punkrock]

So we all moving onto the dotnxt client now. Trusted? Safe? Are we promoting this client now until nexerns release?

Not me, that's for sure. With all respect to minusbalancer for his work, I think it is a dead end. What's the point of having a reverse-engineered, incomplete client that will run on windows only? We have a Java server that is getting better every day, what we need is a well designed and fully cross-platform GUI for it, not an alternative implementation.

Assuming 0.5.9 is as stable as I hope it is and there are no critical bugs, my next step will be a major refactoring of the code, 0.6.0 will no longer be a single java file. Next, I will add persistence of blocks and transactions in a database instead of using serialized files, and will no longer keep all of them in memory. If minusbalancer used decompiled sources to base his .NET implementation on, he will have to catch up with my changes and bugfixes, and come up with his own solution for the blockchain persistence. And spend time and efforts tracking down and fixing bugs that are already fixed in the Java version, and introduce his own bugs in the process. I really don't see the point.

I don't understand why all developers don't work togehter on a multi-platform client which is easy to use, secure and DAU-safe and based on Jean-Luc's work. It should work without a browser. That would be great. For me, I only promote Jean-Luc's client on Nextcoin.org - and I hope developers like nexern & marcus03 and all others would think about to work together on ONE client.

BTW: Maybe some of the developers of JDownloader want to get into this? They are experts in Java.

[Chang Hum]

Please calm. 250K sent already. 3 million marketing plan has been tentatively approved. As long as results come in, regular 250K payments will be sent. Marketing is simply a cost that needs to be spent. 250K per month is 3 million NXT per year. that seems enough to get a lot more marketing done than before.

All the sausage making can be done at nxtcrypto now. There is funding. This thread will just be there for the progress announcements.

The point is: we want something official. As the price grows, suddenly people become more and more reluctant to spend on the work we do.
I got thanked by BTer for suggesting them to add NXT, they did, price grew 100%, did I get anything in return? NO. People wanted to reward BTER instead
This community is so ungrateful and selfish that it's painful.

We are sending people to the official bitcoin conferences from our own fucking wallets. Why aren't the NXT fund being spent on this?

Of course I am pissed, I have witnessed this selfish ungratefulness for over a month now and for some fuckedup reason this thread is still seen as the "official" place where these decisions is made, eventhough ALL the PR work are being done by us on the nxt forum. MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and I am fuckng tired of it

Fair play for sending an email to a shit scam exchange mate, these devs sit on their asses all day doing sweet fuck all when it's people like you that built nxt.

Every community has a idiot like you.
Who the hell has said anything negative about the devs?
How the fuck do you even compare the two things?

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

You must be too dumb to operate a computer safely if you do not understand this, so please log off.

No you're just a skank mate

can you please explain why Bter.com are considered as scams, or post a link, I’m a bit confused now

If you flick through the last 10 pages of their official threads it's just full of unanswered complaints about money going missing, there volumes almost nothing. and the daily withdrawal limit of next is 200 or aprox $10usd!!

Official threads here and a search of Bter.com pulls up nothing but scam complaints as shown below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280806.msg4585502#msg4585502
http://bitcoinscammers.com/bter-com/
http://bitkoins.com/discussion/86007/bter-com-is-a-criminal-enterprise-stealing-coins-please-use-twitter-to-notify-world/p1

Lastly I'd like to congratulate Uniqueorn for sending them an email and it's sickening you're not being compensated for your time.

[bitcoinpaul]

A new video, a new article, a new guerilla whatever is not enough.

Go to big news sites, go to big bitcoin shows, go to big names to talk about NXT.

Does no-one realize that we had enough of videos and articles?

We are already sending people to the biggest Bitcoin conferences and might even get a stand and speaker position at these events, but hey we got zero NXT to do it with, so we pay from our own wallet. Isn't that nice and fair?
The guys who do all the work has to pay for it too

If you really got nothing so far, somebody like CfB should look into it. I'm thankful for your energy and time!

[minusbalancer]

... moreover it will scale later to any size we need and trusted
servers will complete the decentralized infrastructure to keep clients lean, fast and very lightweighted,
this is the way to go. the core has to be the ultimative working horse, the client is using it's first class
api.

So we will have decentralized infrastructure built on top of the set of the servers? So each time when you do login to your lightweight client you do depend on the trusted servers and their api.
Doesn't it look like the structure centralized around the trusted servers?

[bitcoinpaul]

I believe we need to clarify for some people that marketing is not advertising.

[Uniqueorn]

Go sleep or something. You've been yelling for hours now, nothing constructive coming from your fingers.

You've worked on NXT marketing? You mean e-mailing bter, as you've mentioned 8 or 9 times today? Such a selfish community, not giving you a huge reward for your effort.

Based on the way you're acting out I hope you have nothing to do with the organization and marketing of NXT, or else I might start to have serious doubts of the human capital involved in this project. So hopefully you're not as influential as you might think.

Cute It's so fucking cute to see the people who have not been involved with the development of NXT at all think they know who the big players are because they hang around in a forum thread
Have you ever been to the nxt forum?

I bring up the BTer part due to 2 things:

1) People wanted to reward BTER for adding NXT, something I objected to due to it leaving a very negative view of NXT.
It would make people think BTER was paid to add NXT or that we are indirectly bribing other exchanges to add NXT.

2) Because it shows how effective marketing can be. Such a seemingly small event caused the price to jump 100%
This can and will happen again, the next time it'll probably be due to news articles that are being published (we got connections that are working on it). Or when the Euro to NXT exchange adds us. Or when someone famous endorse us.

It's time to take marketing serious (it has been this time for over a month actually). Simple as that. I'd love to see your contributions to NXT