NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[instacalm]

actually it would be stupid if someone outside of Nxt community wanted to create fork of Nxt, because he has no experience etc

So, anyone inside of the Nxt community is allowed to create a fork of Nxt?

Oh, a Friction in the thread! Let me formulate it differently,
anyone who is not Carlos Perez/FrictionlessCoin might be able to create a fork of Nxt  

Joke aside... anyone who is able to can clone it as it is open source. Whether you will achieve anything by doing that is another question. btw, why were your threads closed?

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[PeercoinEnthusiast]

My interpretation is that any NXT holder is damaged by anybody that steals NXT property. So theoretically, anybody owning NXT at the time of infringement would have standing to sue. Is that wrong?
James

And when a stakeholder is actually doing those things? Copying, cloning etc? isn't that the case with all those clones?

So I guess you have to be a Nxt stakeholder to clone Nxt.  Looks like the NEM folks (apparently Nxt insiders) are busy collecting donations in Nxt and BTC for their Nxt clone:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.0  

Let the clone wars begin!

What was that again about the 'trap' in the code that'll render clones dead in 24 hours?

*Yawn*

[EvilDave]

actually it would be stupid if someone outside of Nxt community wanted to create fork of Nxt, because he has no experience etc

So, anyone inside of the Nxt community is allowed to create a fork of Nxt?

FC: almost missed u, my sweet!

I'm too lazy for a full-on fight tonight, so here are my thoughts on NXT cloning:

It's open source. Open. We are supposedly offering economic "freedom from tyranny" here in the world of crypto, so we need to stick to the ideals of open source.

So, even tho' it might make some people very unhappy, even the FCs of this world can clone NXT and do with that clone what they will.
Stealing promo material and non-open source concepts is , however, out of order, eh FC?

We've all seen the FCs been very bloody annoying, but he's doing it out of butthurt, jealousy and greed, and it looks like he's losing.
Because we have a bloody good product in NXT, with a superb community, we need to have faith that NXT can win on it's own merits and not need to hide behind the skirts of the law like a little kid.

Tl:DR  Open source, remember ? So, open for everyone, even Carloses.

[erik__]

My interpretation is that any NXT holder is damaged by anybody that steals NXT property. So theoretically, anybody owning NXT at the time of infringement would have standing to sue. Is that wrong?
James

And when a stakeholder is actually doing those things? Copying, cloning etc? isn't that the case with all those clones?

So I guess you have to be a Nxt stakeholder to clone Nxt.  Looks like the NEM folks (apparently Nxt insiders) are busy collecting donations in Nxt and BTC for their Nxt clone:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.0  

Let the clone wars begin!

What was that again about the 'trap' in the code that'll render clones dead in 24 hours?

Anyone can clone Nxt, but CFB can kill it.  NEM is founded by Utopian, he's a Nxt supporter, but the only insiders would be CFB and JL.  

Using restrictive licenses would be very bad for Nxt.  I would sell my stake today and forget about this project if I thought that was seriously the plan.  We already don't have a usable open-sourced copy of Nxt, but my understanding is that we will within a few months.  Short delays in open sourcing new features is going far enough and it is debatable whether or not Nxt benefits from this.

[jl777]

No restrictive licenses. We just need to make sure people that use NXT give proper attribution to NXT. They cant cut and paste it, change a letter and call it theirs without saying that they are based on NXT.

I believe that is what the MIT license states. So we just need people to honor the spirit of how NXT is released.

James

[FrictionlessCoin]

actually it would be stupid if someone outside of Nxt community wanted to create fork of Nxt, because he has no experience etc

So, anyone inside of the Nxt community is allowed to create a fork of Nxt?

sure, it spreads the word about Nxt

 

[jl777]

Does anybody have experience with JNA or JNI?
We need somebody to make libzerocoin callable from Java and I think JNI allows us to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Native_Interface

If you can help with this please let me know.

James

Take a look at SWIG.  http://www.swig.org/

Adds some overhead, so not ideal.  Makes the process of integration easier.

Overhead is not a concern during proof of concept stage. Do you have experience with SWIG?

Looking for a NXTcash team member with experience encapsulating C++ library for Java use.

[minusbalancer]

dotNXT v.0.0.5 released

This is an emergency release to be compatible with 0.5.11 NRS client

[BugFix] Orphaned blocks processed correctly
[Feature] Added auto update functionality
[Feature] 0.5.11 NRS client compatibility

dotNXT.0.0.5.0.setup.exe 943115 bytes
MD5  51436af76be663b07f8a49855b73992f
SHA1 8ce8cc279fc9fc545febc7411987ca4f995fdfdd
SHA256 f0a90d2bbe43ac80102733e4dde0b9681fa5360083a10a00a728a57a50c16822

[FrictionlessCoin]

No restrictive licenses. We just need to make sure people that use NXT give proper attribution to NXT. They cant cut and paste it, change a letter and call it theirs without saying that they are based on NXT.

I believe that is what the MIT license states. So we just need people to honor the spirit of how NXT is released.

James

So are you saying it is okay to clone Nxt?   Is saying "descendant of Nxt" sufficient attribution to Nxt?

[jl777]

Does anybody have experience with JNA or JNI?
We need somebody to make libzerocoin callable from Java and I think JNI allows us to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Native_Interface

If you can help with this please let me know.

James

Take a look at SWIG.  http://www.swig.org/

Adds some overhead, so not ideal.  Makes the process of integration easier.

Overhead is not a concern during proof of concept stage. Do you have experience with SWIG?

Looking for a NXTcash team member with experience encapsulating C++ library for Java use.

I do have experience with SWIG, but not with Java or C++ (used it to bridge C library to Python).  I may be of some help nonetheless -- could probably take the libraries and generate some Java classes using SWIG.  I'll look into it.

Thanks! https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin

[rickyjames]

Texas Bitcoin Conference - Austin Strategy Discussion

Here's the numbers for upcoming expenses on the TBC:

We are down to 1NXT = $0.06.  My expenses (jet, car, hotel) are $600 = 10K NXT.  I will cover these travel expenses personally so I am effectively offering the equivalent of a 10K NXT bounty for TBC that I am paying myself.

If anybody wants to be my wingman, PM me.  As I mentioned before, I am booked at America's Best Value Inn at Buda, TX ( http://www.abvibudatx.com/ ) on Tues (March 4) and Wed (March 5) nights.  I have a car reserved and we can carpool.  I'll arrive at the airport at 3:55 PM local time on Tues (March 4).  My flight out is Thurs (March 6) night at 7:10 PM.  I am going for BBQ Tues night at Taylor, TX, and I would love to meet Austin area NXTers.  Especially Russian ones.

Apparently I am tentatively a speaker, and they get free entrance tickets.  Let's hope I stay a speaker, otherwise I may ask for reimbursement on that...tickets are expensive.

Entrance tickets of Texas are $275 each thru Jan 31, $325 each thru Feb, and $350 at the door.   If we send two people besides me, their entrance tickets alone will be $700 = 12K NXT.  

They have changed what they are offering for exhibit tables.  They have dropped the 2X2 floor slot.  Now you get a full 7 foot table all to yourself for $4000, or half a table shared with another exhibitor for $2500.  Either one gets you two entrance tickets plus 20% off on up to 5 more.  

The half-table with two passes is $2500 = 42,000 NXT, so the half-table is effectively 30K NXT more than the two passes alone.  So, questions to ask: are there two more people coming besides me, and if so, is it worth 30K NXT more to get a (half) table for us to stand behind for two days?

So at the moment I am going to TBC and will not cost the NXT community anything.  I will do my best.  I want lots and lots of swag / brochures to hand out, but I'll wait to see what gets done for Berlin and leverage off that for a starting point.

What else happens at TBC is up to the NXT community.  The basic numbers are given above.  You guys talk (if you want) about what else / who else you want to go to TBC, how much it will cost in NXT, and whether that will be worth it to the community.  I'm on the launch pad for TBC gratis, and have had my say.

[jl777]

No restrictive licenses. We just need to make sure people that use NXT give proper attribution to NXT. They cant cut and paste it, change a letter and call it theirs without saying that they are based on NXT.

I believe that is what the MIT license states. So we just need people to honor the spirit of how NXT is released.

James

So are you saying it is okay to clone Nxt?   Is saying "descendant of Nxt" sufficient attribution to Nxt?

If it is a 100% clone, then it is not accurate to say descendant of NXT. Say it is a clone. If you want to build on top of NXT, then build on top of it. I don't understand why you need to take such an antagonistic approach to something you are using. Believe it or not, you could actually be a part of NXT community as more than its mascot troll

You clearly have some skills in making sockpuppets. I imagine you are up to 500 stakes of NEM by now. Use your skills for good, not evil.

James

[jl777]

Does anybody have experience with JNA or JNI?
We need somebody to make libzerocoin callable from Java and I think JNI allows us to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Native_Interface

If you can help with this please let me know.

James

Take a look at SWIG.  http://www.swig.org/

Adds some overhead, so not ideal.  Makes the process of integration easier.

Overhead is not a concern during proof of concept stage. Do you have experience with SWIG?

Looking for a NXTcash team member with experience encapsulating C++ library for Java use.

I do have experience with SWIG, but not with Java or C++ (used it to bridge C library to Python).  I may be of some help nonetheless -- could probably take the libraries and generate some Java classes using SWIG.  I'll look into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluegen might work better?

GlueGen is a Java tool which automatically generates the Java and Java Native Interface (JNI) code needed to call C libraries from Java code. It reads in ANSI C header files and GlueGen configuration files, and emits C code. As JNI can be complex, Gluegen simplifies the process of binding Java to C native libraries.

[EvilDave]

Texas Bitcoin Conference - Austin Strategy Discussion

Here's the numbers for upcoming expenses on the TBC:

We are down to 1NXT = $0.06.  My expenses (jet, car, hotel) are $600 = 10K NXT.  I will cover these travel expenses personally so I am effectively offering the equivalent of a 10K NXT bounty for TBC that I am paying myself.

If anybody wants to be my wingman, PM me.  As I mentioned before, I am booked at America's Best Value Inn at Buda, TX ( http://www.abvibudatx.com/ ) on Tues (March 4) and Wed (March 5) nights.  I have a car reserved and we can carpool.  I'll arrive at the airport at 3:55 PM local time on Tues (March 4).  My flight out is Thurs (March 6) night at 7:10 PM.  I am going for BBQ Tues night at Taylor, TX, and I would love to meet Austin area NXTers.  Especially Russian ones.

Apparently I am tentatively a speaker, and they get free entrance tickets.  Let's hope I stay a speaker, otherwise I may ask for reimbursement on that...tickets are expensive.

Entrance tickets of Texas are $275 each thru Jan 31, $325 each thru Feb, and $350 at the door.   If we send two people besides me, their entrance tickets alone will be $700 = 12K NXT.  

They have changed what they are offering for exhibit tables.  They have dropped the 2X2 floor slot.  Now you get a full 7 foot table all to yourself for $4000, or half a table shared with another exhibitor for $2500.  Either one gets you two entrance tickets plus 20% off on up to 5 more.  

The half-table with two passes is $2500 = 42,000 NXT, so the half-table is effectively 30K NXT more than the two passes alone.  So, questions to ask: are there two more people coming besides me, and if so, is it worth 30K NXT more to get a (half) table for us to stand behind for two days?

So at the moment I am going to TBC and will not cost the NXT community anything.  I will do my best.  I want lots and lots of swag / brochures to hand out, but I'll wait to see what gets done for Berlin and leverage off that for a starting point.

What else happens at TBC is up to the NXT community.  The basic numbers are given above.  You guys talk (if you want) about what else / who else you want to go to TBC, how much it will cost in NXT, and whether that will be worth it to the community.  I'm on the launch pad for TBC gratis, and have had my say.

+10, support ricky, guys.

How are u doing on the promo material side?
ie :Table display, cards, clothing, buttons/badges, giveaways, RaspPi in solar mode?
U got any help/designs/commitments for all of that?

And the Berlin posse also need to get moving on all of this, we don't want to rush in the door at the last moment this time.

BTW, Amsterdam March is definitely dead as far as I am concerned. but May seems to be a go.

Edit: take the half-table. Preferably in the sun....

[salsacz]

ricky: here is my last post about conferences, there will be those asian guys from Nxt videos (asian prepper)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4844706#msg4844706

[TwinWinNerD]

Hey guys,

I though about starting a signature campaign on Bitcointalk like the campaign of the casinos. I would offer people some NXT to put something positive about NXT in the signature and a hyperlink to nxtcrypto. Do you think that is a clever way of spreading the word?

The reason why i want to do that is, because i talked to 3 distant friends of mine that frequent the BTC part of the forum regularly but haven't even heard about NXT ONCE!

What should the signature say? How much to pay each participant?

[EvilDave]

Finished upgrades to 5.11, read bloody thread up to here, going to bed.

Old fashioned blockchain check:

54388      3167098051496568638      vrijdag 31 januari 2014 3:03:28   
      
      1      120 + 1      128 B   
      
      2      8260620952068794082      952 %   
   


nighty night, y'all

@TwinWinNerD: sig idea below, needs hyperlink to......?

[xyzzyx]

Does anybody have experience with JNA or JNI?
We need somebody to make libzerocoin callable from Java and I think JNI allows us to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Native_Interface

If you can help with this please let me know.

James

I'm still reading about Zerocoin and do not yet understand it fully, so take that into consideration with the following:

You don't necessarily have to use JNI if you intend to have Zerocoin live in AM storage.

Make a stand-alone program linked to libzerocoin that will use JSON (JSON-GLib with libSoup) to talk to the Nxt server.

I am, however, not clear on exactly how one would mint Zerocoin from NXT and transform previously minted Zerocoin back to NXT without a change to the Nxt server.  We can easily destroy NXT that is converted to newly minted Zerocoin by sending the NXT to the genesis account.  We cannot, however, generate new NXT when we want to redeem Zerocoin for NXT.  What might be needed is to change the Nxt server to allow for some sort of global public NXT accumulator to keep track of number of "converted" coins at any given time (account # -1, perhaps?).  But I haven't finished reading about Zerocoin so this might not be needed?  I might not understand how this part is supposed to work yet.  Not sure.

libzercoin also appears to be tailored to the Bitcoin blockchain. 

[TwinWinNerD]

@TwinWinNerD: sig idea below, needs hyperlink to......?

To http://www.nxtcrypto.org/ i guess would be most appropriet

[salsacz]

current version of my Nxt infographic based on Btc transactions: