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December 16, 2013, 08:02:54 AM
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Amazing fact I discovered while browsing around , Kazakhstan is top 8 in wheat exports. Smiley. Speaking of laziness.

Kazakhstan (similar to Ukraine) was once considered as the bread basket of the USSR. Agriculture is mostly developed in the Northern and Eastern regions, which once had a majority of Russians, Ukrainians and Germans (these regions originally belonged to Russia, but Stalin forcibly merged them with Kazakhstan in order to create ethnic Russian majority). The Muslim Kazakhs lived mostly in the Southern and Western parts, depending on dairy farming.

When Kazakhstan became independent in 1991, the whites began to leave the nation because of racial prejudice. The number of Russians and Ukrainians have reduced by more than half, while more than 90% of the Germans have emigrated. Kazakhs are not interested in agriculture and most of the grain farms are now lying barren and fallow.

The Germans were Kazakhstan's best farmers. There were around 1 million of them until 1991 in North Kazakhstan.
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December 22, 2013, 04:21:54 AM
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I do not think it was lazy or parasite races that brought down USSR. Communism makes everyone lazy parasites. I believe what brought it down was massive increase in military spending during last decade of its existence, where too much economic production was diverted into military, away from agriculture and rest of economy, which also resulted in large unsustainable debt. It is why I believe USA also began its path to empire collapse as soon as it began Iraq war.
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December 22, 2013, 12:53:26 PM
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In my country the communism failed because people stopped working really hard , they had their wages guaranteed , it was better to not learn anything in school because the jobs of professors or medics weren't paid accordingly , and because in communism everyone was supposed to be equal but some were more "equal" then others.

Also that hate for intellectuals and and appointing in key places relatives or communist zealots with only grade 4 education won't do any good.

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December 22, 2013, 01:41:08 PM
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In my country the communism failed because people stopped working really hard , they had their wages guaranteed , it was better to not learn anything in school because the jobs of professors or medics weren't paid accordingly , and because in communism everyone was supposed to be equal but some were more "equal" then others.

Also that hate for intellectuals and and appointing in key places relatives or communist zealots with only grade 4 education won't do any good.

Could you please re-post this information here?

I do not think it was lazy or parasite races that brought down USSR. Communism makes everyone lazy parasites. I believe what brought it down was massive increase in military spending during last decade of its existence, where too much economic production was diverted into military, away from agriculture and rest of economy, which also resulted in large unsustainable debt. It is why I believe USA also began its path to empire collapse as soon as it began Iraq war.

May be. Some experts claim that it was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which resulted in the disintegration of the USSR.
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January 20, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
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Ukrainian police have used tear gas and stun grenades after pro-EU protesters began throwing Molotov cocktails at officers. The clashes followed violence at the protests in the country’s capital, Kiev, on the previous day.

The protesters climbed atop the main gate of the Dynamo football stadium, using it as a strongpoint to bombard the police’s special forces with Molotov cocktails.

The officers, who were trying to prevent protesters from entering the governmental offices district, were forced to retreat, RIA Novosti news agency reports.

Fire brigade teams have arrived at Kiev’s European Square to put out fires, burning riot police shields and officers’ uniforms.

Every now and then we see the injured being carried on stretchers to ambulance cars. In the last 15 minutes we have seen 4 of those
— Alexey Yaroshevsky (@Yaro_RT) January 20, 2014
The demonstrators have delivered gasoline canisters and empty bottles to make more Molotov cocktails.

The police opted for tear gas and stun grenades in order to contain the rioting crowd, which local media estimate at around 2,000.

RT’s cameraman was caught in the stand-off as he got hit in the back with a rubber bullet fired by police, Aleksey Yaroshevsky reports. The cameraman was not injured.

One of our cameramen was saved by a plastic shield he wore on his back. It blocked a metal bullet fired by the police
— Alexey Yaroshevsky (@Yaro_RT) January 20, 2014
A cameraman of Ukraine's ICTV channel was hit with a bullet in the eye, however. Yaroshevsky reports that doctors say he might partially lose his sight.

The protesters meanwhile built a wooden catapult on European Square. The 3-meter-tall ballistic device was put to use with a shot fired in the direction of the police. The projectile flew less than 10 meters, however, and no casualties were reported.

The protesters and the police are separated from each other by a convoy of Interior Ministry vehicles, which were burnt by the protesters on Sunday, becoming a symbolic dividing line between the sides.

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-clashes-kiev-molotov-907/
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January 22, 2014, 12:34:22 PM
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This could lead to be a civil war like in syria,this could happen easily nowdays
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January 22, 2014, 05:10:02 PM
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That lenin picture is beautiful.  Smiley

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January 22, 2014, 06:31:44 PM
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If you watch these stories on Western mainstream media, they're very selective in the reporting.  I have to watch RT as well to get both perspectives.
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January 22, 2014, 08:29:04 PM
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clashes with police, riot in Kiev 22.01.2014 (штypм нa гpyшeвcькoгo)

http://youtu.be/8U6QRNGJid4
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January 23, 2014, 10:15:30 PM
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If you watch these stories on Western mainstream media, they're very selective in the reporting.  I have to watch RT as well to get both perspectives.
+1 for RT

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January 25, 2014, 01:30:55 PM
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If you watch these stories on Western mainstream media, they're very selective in the reporting.  I have to watch RT as well to get both perspectives.
+1 for RT

And further more , to get the best picture , don't trust any side more than 33%.

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January 28, 2014, 06:02:47 PM
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clashes with police, riot in Kiev 22.01.2014 (штypм нa гpyшeвcькoгo)

http://youtu.be/8U6QRNGJid4
Damn that place looks like warzone...

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-prime-minister-resigned-297/
Do you think there will be new presidential elections?
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January 28, 2014, 10:17:49 PM
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There are no prob with the opp leaders, just bad naming. Don't call it negotiations. Call it the leaders of the opposition parties advising yanukovich on how to not get killed. Based on their best judgment

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January 28, 2014, 10:18:25 PM
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clashes with police, riot in Kiev 22.01.2014 (штypм нa гpyшeвcькoгo)

http://youtu.be/8U6QRNGJid4
Damn that place looks like warzone...

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-prime-minister-resigned-297/
Do you think there will be new presidential elections?
I hope the army comes in and annihilates this "revolution".

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January 28, 2014, 10:20:45 PM
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clashes with police, riot in Kiev 22.01.2014 (штypм нa гpyшeвcькoгo)

http://youtu.be/8U6QRNGJid4
Damn that place looks like warzone...

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-prime-minister-resigned-297/
Do you think there will be new presidential elections?
I hope the army comes in and annihilates this "revolution".

It won't happen. The current regime is done for it.
And another Russian puppet will bite the dust.

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January 28, 2014, 10:27:43 PM
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clashes with police, riot in Kiev 22.01.2014 (штypм нa гpyшeвcькoгo)

http://youtu.be/8U6QRNGJid4
Damn that place looks like warzone...

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-prime-minister-resigned-297/
Do you think there will be new presidential elections?
I hope the army comes in and annihilates this "revolution".
I believe that the president has said that they won't be using the army... I wouldn't still count on his word
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January 28, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
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Here are some pictures from there:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?234849-Uprising-in-Ukraine-%28Photos-and-Videos%29

And here is a stream:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out
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January 29, 2014, 04:19:10 AM
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clashes with police, riot in Kiev 22.01.2014 (штypм нa гpyшeвcькoгo)

http://youtu.be/8U6QRNGJid4
Damn that place looks like warzone...

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-prime-minister-resigned-297/
Do you think there will be new presidential elections?
I hope the army comes in and annihilates this "revolution".

It won't happen. The current regime is done for it.
And another Russian puppet will bite the dust.
But I don't want another american puppet.

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January 29, 2014, 10:23:01 AM
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But I don't want another american puppet.

You'll get one soon... whether you want it or not. And the Ukrainian economy will collapse completely if it happens, as Russia will cut its gas supplies.
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January 30, 2014, 02:09:26 AM
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But I don't want another american puppet.

You'll get one soon... whether you want it or not. And the Ukrainian economy will collapse completely if it happens, as Russia will cut its gas supplies.

Yeah , they said that about every country that left the Warsaw pact.
And the Russians did nothing.
Russia can't afford to go in an economical war with the EU.
They know that too damn well. Look how they've cut gas prices for Germany the moment Merkel raised her voice once against Putin.

Russian influence is dead. And the American will follow.


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