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March 16, 2014, 07:55:49 PM
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Live celebratory concert from Sevastopol. Yay!  Grin

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March 16, 2014, 07:58:17 PM
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Live celebratory concert from Sevastopol. Yay!  Grin
There was a press conference on a first camera. Roll Eyes
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March 16, 2014, 08:02:25 PM
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Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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March 16, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
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Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley
Chairman of comission said that he has no such info.
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March 16, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
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Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley
Chairman of comission said that he has no such info.

Nothing official yet?
 remember i said 96% Smiley


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March 16, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
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Nothing official yet?
Nope, counting even didn't started yet.

There are some exit poll results, maybe... But I suppose that exit polls are non-representative.
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March 16, 2014, 08:11:49 PM
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This will send us to the stone age.
no need that far back in time just to 82 bc

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 16, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
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Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

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Chairman of comission said that he has no such info.

They were quoting exit votes, so no, nothing official.

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March 16, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
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Official scores will also be around 90% pro-Russia.
These results come as no surprise, and shouldn't be treated seriously.

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March 16, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
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This will send us to the stone age.
no need that far back in time just to 82 bc


I was referring to it economically but i'm sure you've got that.

Romania as a whole united again makes no sense. Who cares about what happened centuries ago. Instead of fighting over land we would be better of working together.

I'd be happy to see a truly united european nation , with moldova and bucovina taking part in it. , rather than a Great Romania.
It's interesting to see how things evolve between Croatia and Slovenia who are now closer than ever Smiley


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March 16, 2014, 08:31:36 PM
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united european nation
no thankyou, millions did die to be independent they did fight a huge amount of wars, should some bureaucrats(parasites and other corrupt public figures) archive something that even Napoleon dint manage to archive ? nope, EU is a abomination, a Frankenstein and should be removed.

recently in history each time europe made its way to some super state level it was Russians density to stop it and destroy it I wonder if this time again Russians need to deal whit European super nation bullshit dreams

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 16, 2014, 08:35:33 PM
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united european nation
no thankyou, millions did die to be independent they did fight a huge amount of wars, should some bureaucrats(parasites and other corrupt public figures) archive something that even Napoleon dint manage to archive ? nope, EU is a abomination, a Frankenstein and should be removed.

recently in history each time europe made its way to some super state level it was Russians density to stop it and destroy it I wonder if this time again Russians need to deal whit European super nation bullshit dreams

When I talk about an united European nation i'm talking about how we , normal people interact with the others not about a central government.
Let's forget those stupid differences we had , let's respect the other traditions and language , be united as a whole.

But this will have to wait , although I desire this , I'm not sure myself I can live that peacefully Wink


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united european nation
no thankyou, millions did die to be independent they did fight a huge amount of wars, should some bureaucrats(parasites and other corrupt public figures) archive something that even Napoleon dint manage to archive ? nope, EU is a abomination, a Frankenstein and should be removed.

recently in history each time europe made its way to some super state level it was Russians density to stop it and destroy it I wonder if this time again Russians need to deal whit European super nation bullshit dreams

When I talk about an united European nation i'm talking about how we , normal people interact with the others not about a central government.
Let's forget those stupid differences we had , let's respect the other traditions and language , be united as a whole.

But this will have to wait , although I desire this , I'm not sure myself I can live that peacefully Wink

the only way to do get there is to have nukes on every country and basically have a mexican stand off  where nobody has the upper hand against others then we all can trade under gold standard and be happy

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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united european nation
no thankyou, millions did die to be independent they did fight a huge amount of wars, should some bureaucrats(parasites and other corrupt public figures) archive something that even Napoleon dint manage to archive ? nope, EU is a abomination, a Frankenstein and should be removed.

recently in history each time europe made its way to some super state level it was Russians density to stop it and destroy it I wonder if this time again Russians need to deal whit European super nation bullshit dreams

When I talk about an united European nation i'm talking about how we , normal people interact with the others not about a central government.
Let's forget those stupid differences we had , let's respect the other traditions and language , be united as a whole.

But this will have to wait , although I desire this , I'm not sure myself I can live that peacefully Wink

the only way to do get there is to have nukes on every country and basically have a mexican stand off  where nobody has the upper hand against others then we all can trade under gold standard and be happy

I'm sure there is another way , there is always another way.


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March 16, 2014, 08:48:36 PM
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united european nation
no thankyou, millions did die to be independent they did fight a huge amount of wars, should some bureaucrats(parasites and other corrupt public figures) archive something that even Napoleon dint manage to archive ? nope, EU is a abomination, a Frankenstein and should be removed.

recently in history each time europe made its way to some super state level it was Russians density to stop it and destroy it I wonder if this time again Russians need to deal whit European super nation bullshit dreams

When I talk about an united European nation i'm talking about how we , normal people interact with the others not about a central government.
Let's forget those stupid differences we had , let's respect the other traditions and language , be united as a whole.

But this will have to wait , although I desire this , I'm not sure myself I can live that peacefully Wink

the only way to do get there is to have nukes on every country and basically have a mexican stand off  where nobody has the upper hand against others then we all can trade under gold standard and be happy

This will never work because each country would need a different amount of nukes, and it would be impossible to regulate this. Imagine a country like Luxemburg needing to have nukes to be able to destroy China..Not going to happen.
Also, you wouldn't be able to prevent the forming of alliances.

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Of course, the victor writes the history books. It seems that the Russian propaganda is so thorough that even the place names are altered to erase history. In Polish, Belarus means White "Rus", which refers to Ruthenia, not Russia... It seems that that word has Nordic roots, how interesting!

Well, you would not see me disputing it, especially since:

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The word "Ruthenia" originated as a Latin rendering of the region and people known originally as "Rus'" – the same root word as Russia

The history of Slavic and Nordic people is tightly intertwined, and you would be hard-pressed telling were Slavic regions ended in the West and where Nordic regions ended in the East. Norwegian has for example many words with common roots as Russian, if you know where to look. The German town of Leipzig has the same root meaning as Липeтcк (Lipetsk - "Linden town"). The "rus" root in "Preußen" is all that remained of the Western-slavic folk of Prussians.

People who decry propaganda usually fall victims of anti-propaganda and end up losing their history. Look beyond propaganda on both sides and simply collect available historic data, cross-referenceing it.


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I'm sure there is another way , there is always another way.
I am interested to see this way to undo the evolution principle "the strong prey on the weak"

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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I'm sure there is another way , there is always another way.
I am interested to see this way to undo the evolution principle "the strong prey on the weak"

I don't think there is another way. Unions (Soviet, European, whatever) will form and dissolve as as natural resources and values shift.
The best way of government is by direct democracy (referendums). The problem with the majority of people is that they don't give a damn, until a proverbial shit hits the fan, by which time it's usually too late.

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Not only are there a lot of people that don't give a damn, I also seriously underestimate the amount of people that are intellectually capable of making a well formed vote that would benefit the entire society and not only their private matters.

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