Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[Nemo1024]

NATO will not be happy.

There is indicative data for question 2 here:
http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U0mEKPl_vG9

65% for Russia
26% for Ukraine (cumulative)
9% stay independent

[niothor]

3.5 million is x2 of my country population

Our news are filled with ww3 fear monger.

People is actually concerned we will be next. It's ridiculously funny.

You're from the Baltic states?
I can understand a bit of the fear but it's also maybe that news channel  want to get a higher rating also ..

[Nemo1024]

US to send non-lethal aid to Ukraine
http://rt.com/usa/non-lethal-aid-ukraine-988/

We all know what they mean by non-lethal - military advisors

One comment:

Richard Altorfer 17.04.2014 11:28

So they deny that the "non-lethal aid" is body armor etc. Well we will soon see when Ukranian troops wear MICH helmets instead of their shh60 steel pots, or ACU/marpat camo body armor...

Putin on Kiev op: 'Tanks, jets against own people?! Are they nuts?!'
http://rt.com/news/putin-ukraine-military-operation-120/

“Have they lost their minds!?” said Putin during his annual question and answer session. “They are deploying tanks, armored vehicles and weaponry! Against whom?! Are they nuts?!"

US facing intelligence ‘black hole’ over Ukraine events
http://rt.com/op-edge/us-intelligence-ukraine-situation-316/

The United States is facing an intelligence ‘black hole’ over what is happening in Ukraine in the last few month, and not feeling able to judge the events clearly resort to shrill response and rhetoric, Oxford University historian Mark Almond told RT.

[bryant.coleman]

3.5 million is x2 of my country population
Our news are filled with ww3 fear monger.
People is actually concerned we will be next. It's ridiculously funny.

You are from either Macedonia, Slovenia or Latvia. If you are living in Macedonia, then there is not much to worry about. Macedonia is not a NATO member and is officially neutral. In case you are from Slovenia, not much to worry although Slovenia is a NATO member. The country is not in bad terms with Russia. On the other hand, if you are from Latvia, you are one the firing line. 

[dogechode]

It kind of seems ass-backwards to split the country up into tiny fragments. Progress is going the opposite way - combining into larger bodies rather than splitting into a separate country for every single slightly different ethnic group, religious faction, etc.

[PrintMule]

It kind of seems ass-backwards to split the country up into tiny fragments. Progress is going the opposite way - combining into larger bodies rather than splitting into a separate country for every single slightly different ethnic group, religious faction, etc.

Every larger body will eventually split into parts. It's the order of things. Enough of examples too.

[bryant.coleman]

Every larger body will eventually split into parts. It's the order of things. Enough of examples too.

If the population is fairly homogeneous, then the country can remain stable even if the population is extremely large. The perfect example is China. Somewhere I heard that there are more than 1,000 languages spoken in China, but 93% of the population is ethnic Han. Another example is the USA. But I am wondering how can a country like Papua New Guinea remain stable, when the population there speaks some 900 languages (and the total population is just 6,000,000). 

[niothor]

Every larger body will eventually split into parts. It's the order of things. Enough of examples too.

If the population is fairly homogeneous, then the country can remain stable even if the population is extremely large. The perfect example is China. Somewhere I heard that there are more than 1,000 languages spoken in China, but 93% of the population is ethnic Han. Another example is the USA. But I am wondering how can a country like Papua New Guinea remain stable, when the population there speaks some 900 languages (and the total population is just 6,000,000). 

Unfortunately we can't bet on this but in 100-500 years I wonder if China will still be intact. Same for USA.

[Balthazar]

"Two worlds
Two georgians
Both worked for the country. One for foreign, one for his own."

[bryant.coleman]

The real face of the Nazi Yatsenyuk and his master Obongo:

[Balthazar]

[myself]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K3Qa750ZEI

     

[bryant.coleman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K3Qa750ZEI

   

Tanks driven by Right Sector nazis and Blackwater mercenaries trying to kill civilians who were protesting against them. Nothing new in this. This is happening every day, supported by the NATO. BTW... that lady was really courageous.

[247crypto]

Official resolution voted and adopted by the European Parliament -> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/summary.do?id=1239823&t=d&l=en


and we have not even talked about Right Sector. :1orglaugh

Ukraine's new fascist government:

Vice Prime Minister - Oleksandr Sych - Svoboda member
Minister of Education and Science - Serhiy Kvit -  Stepan Bandera All-Ukrainian Organization member
Minister of Defense - Ihor Tenyukh - Svoboda member (resigned)
Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food - Ihor Shvaika - Svoboda member
Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine - Andriy Mokhnyk - Svoboda member

Lies, propaganda... revolution almost every year :1orglaugh These are the reasons why we Europeans don't like the Ukrainians.

[AndriusCep]

havent read all the topic or other topics in this forum about Ukraine/Russia/USA but I want to tell my opinion whats happening there.
Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia) but in this case I cant be against it.
Why USA is always right? Why EU is always right? Maybe Russia is not some kind of holy country but its country, and biggest country in the world, which have right to have it own opinion/interests about all things happening in world. Russia took Cryme, where something like 90% livers are full native Russians, who love Russia and want Russia to take care of them (as I know Cryme was independend, something like state, from central goverment). So why Russia is bad now? Why world is quiet when USA takes middle east countries treasures? Maybe that countries is not super democracy or something but they dont have right to do sucha things like they do, but in fact they do that, I think they shouldnt have any word about Russia-Cryme business.

[Balthazar]

NATO tried to install puppet regime in the Crimea, had a hope to get a place for some democratic military bases here. They've failed and got a butthurt, that's why RF is bad now.

Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia)

Lithuanian Communist party have won elections and then sent a request to join USSR in 1939. Seriously, I'm dying of laugh when I hear Seym's statements about the occupation in 1944 and these "90% of Lithuanians". Perhaps the elections weren't an ideal of democracy... But it's still not clear how the USSR could occupy a Republic, which had already been its part for more than 5 years.

Lithuanian SSR was a part of USSR just like RSFSR (today it's called Russian Federation), if it was occupied then RSFSR was occupied too. You can also say something like "Vilnius was occupied by Lithuanian Republic", but I think that you understand what it's a senseless statement.  

Read the books and always make your own judgement, don't listen any politicans ever. They are lying always, because the politician is synonymous with liar, the same is correct for lawyers.
If you're good liar then you will be a good politician/lawyer and vice versa.

[PrintMule]

havent read all the topic or other topics in this forum about Ukraine/Russia/USA but I want to tell my opinion whats happening there.
Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia) but in this case I cant be against it.
Why USA is always right? Why EU is always right? Maybe Russia is not some kind of holy country but its country, and biggest country in the world, which have right to have it own opinion/interests about all things happening in world. Russia took Cryme, where something like 90% livers are full native Russians, who love Russia and want Russia to take care of them (as I know Cryme was independend, something like state, from central goverment). So why Russia is bad now? Why world is quiet when USA takes middle east countries treasures? Maybe that countries is not super democracy or something but they dont have right to do sucha things like they do, but in fact they do that, I think they shouldnt have any word about Russia-Cryme business.

It's not about who is good, it's about who is the least bad. Every country have it's interests, even Lithuania has a horse in this one.
It is dumb to "feel bad things to Russia" because it was the communist USSR which fucked our little country over, not RF or it's current citizens.
Also RF feeds our little countries buying our stuff, while US only feeds our politicians secretly. EU also feeds our countries now, but it's a very complicated money lending system.

I hate the "high moral ground" of US based news outlets, which is then forced onto our news as well.
 If you open up Lithuanian or Latvian delfi, and read some news, your up for some fun time.

[pinky]

Read the books and always make your own judgement, don't listen any politicans ever. They are lying always, because the politician is synonymous with liar, the same is correct for lawyers.
If you're good liar then you will be a good politician/lawyer and vice versa.

+1

[dogechode]

havent read all the topic or other topics in this forum about Ukraine/Russia/USA but I want to tell my opinion whats happening there.
Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia) but in this case I cant be against it.
Why USA is always right? Why EU is always right? Maybe Russia is not some kind of holy country but its country, and biggest country in the world, which have right to have it own opinion/interests about all things happening in world. Russia took Cryme, where something like 90% livers are full native Russians, who love Russia and want Russia to take care of them (as I know Cryme was independend, something like state, from central goverment). So why Russia is bad now? Why world is quiet when USA takes middle east countries treasures? Maybe that countries is not super democracy or something but they dont have right to do sucha things like they do, but in fact they do that, I think they shouldnt have any word about Russia-Cryme business.

I think it's more about what is best for Ukraine. To me, it sure seems like Russia has been trying to strong-arm them into being part of Russia's sphere of influence, doing business primarily with Russia, obeying them, etc etc. The general Ukrainian public seems to prefer to try associating more with Europe and less with Russia, and this seems to have been the catalyst that caused the whole mess.

Should a country be bullied like this? I think not. I'm not denying that other states may be trying to influence events to lean in their favor but come on, every country does that and certainly Russia does that.

The whole idea of "oh but they held a vote and the people of region X or Y said they want to be integrated with Russia" is absurd. It's like gee, there's a massive army in their backyard, that their own military has no hope of repelling. Shall they say GTFO to Russia or shall they tell Russia that they'd love for them to stay?

[bryant.coleman]

Lithuanian Communist party have won elections and then sent a request to join USSR in 1939. Seriously, I'm dying of laugh when I hear Seym's statements about the occupation in 1944 and these "90% of Lithuanians". Perhaps the elections weren't an ideal of democracy... But it's still not clear how the USSR could occupy a Republic, which had already been its part for more than 5 years.

Exactly. If some Latvian was saying that his country was occupied by the USSR, then it was still believable. But Lithuanians, OMG!

Lithuanians were one of the ethnic groups who most actively supported the Soviet Communist party. And as an ethnic group, they benefited enormously from it. Off course, several tens of thousands fell victim to gulags and all that, but the proportion was much less when compared to the Latvians or Estonians (or even to the Russians).

The ethnic Lithuanian population grew much faster when compared to the ethnic Russian population during the Soviet rule. Remember that the Latvian population declined.